So I just bought the map pass for $25. I then realized it does not include the champions pack, so I bought it, too.
Now, while the champions pack is all well and good, the other $25 is useless, because the DLC gametypes for those packs no longer exist! In other words, I was mislead to believe I was buying a PLAYABLE multiplayer map pack, while really all I got was a couple pieces of armor, along with useless maps, for the steal-of-a-price of $25.
343, I don’t care how few players there are on it, put back up the servers for ALL the DLC. It really isn’t a request so much as a demand, because this is a prime example of a scam.
The DLC playlists are rotational, and 343i has stated that specifically in multiple bulletins when they are rotating in and out of the list of playlists. Therefore, it is NOT a scam as you think. You’re just another person on the forums yiping about how you aren’t getting what you want.
It is unfortunate that you purchased the pass, without checking the forums.
Thousands of us have complained is the forums about this very issue (i.e. rotating the DLC content on one choice slot - versus each DLC pack having it’s own slot) since the first DLC showed up.
343 refuses to listen or respond.
I will also not buy the Global Championship DLC either - as it will only ab a matter of a few weeks before it too stops being available and you can not use the armour in Spartan Ops either - which 343 will not be fixing either.
And I pre-ordered the Limited Edition version hoping to play all the DLC content when it came out, but it is the biggest waste of money I have ever thrown at a Halo Game - it will not happen again with any 343 game.
> The DLC playlists are rotational, and 343i has stated that specifically in multiple bulletins when they are rotating in and out of the list of playlists. Therefore, it is NOT a scam as you think. You’re just another person on the forums yiping about how you aren’t getting what you want.
You defending the bad business practices of MS and 343i only hurt the community.
Realize that we here on Waypoint are only a small “elite” fraction of the entire Halo community, and that the good majority of other players do not visit the site or forums or read the weekly updates, and therefore do not have all the information. (with the exception of what is stated on the XBL ads, marketplace, or retailers, which have been shown to be contradictory many times during the H4 life cycle )
Marketing for these products needs to be better, this is why there is so much confusion and such a huge rift in the community right now. This should have been thought out well in advance, as they knew what type of maps were being released and the player count that they were being released for. It is bad form for a company that creates a game to not take those basic things into account. It is 343i’s fault that the maps designed as dlc, cannot be fit into a single DLC playlist due to different player counts for different maps. While this is not a scam, it is horrible business if they wish to retain the small number of players that kept the game, and bring those players with them to the X-1 and H5.
The speed at which the DLC was released is another issue, as it shows that they were in production during the games production and from what I see could have switched out some of the standard maps with more unified player counts with the DLC maps, and kept the DLC map releases to a more uniform player count so that they wouldn’t have the DLC issues of 4v4 vs 8v8 vs 6v6. This is a simple issue that could have been taken care of when all the maps were being drawn on whiteboards. When a consumer sees bad business decisions like this, and is not a fanboy, it causes them to loose faith in the company, and the product. ( which is the last thing this community needs right now )
I did know that they were rotating in the gametypes, I just hadn’t figured they’d be rotating in the DLC maps, especially when they cost money to get.
I know it’s not a scam, I just couldn’t think of the right word, and “rip-off” didn’t seem to capture my attitude.
Point is, they should add another category to War Games called DLC Matchmaking, which has various game types involving multiple or individual map packs. In other words, if you wanted to play a DLC Majestic Map Pack matchmaking from the main menu, it’d go: Infinity > War Games > DLC Matchmaking > Majestic.
So what if they have to buy servers, we bought their content that we can’t use!
> You defending the bad business practices of MS and 343i only hurt the community.
Very well said and I agree with every thing you stated.
343 is clearly just following a schedule they set up before the H4 was released and then just pushing the DLC out the door. The game is basically done - they won’t fix anything in H4 and they have lost 95% of the Fan Base in 3 months:
http://halocharts.com/2013/playlists_halo4.php
It’s no longer a going concern for 343 anymore, which is why 343 has zero presence on the forums.
Would be a great idea for a DLC playlist, just saying, all dlc in one playlist.
The map pass really should be free. Anyone currently buying it are wasting their money.
This is why I haven’t purchased a single slice of DLC for Halo 4. I’ve been around the forums long enough to know that I won’t be getting the proper bang for my buck. I’d save my money for Destiny which is a game we pretty much know for a fact to be successful upon release.
We can’t even use certain pieces of armor outside of the War Games. Not that Spartan Ops is all that great, but… seriously. Was it that hard to program?
Well the more people who get the maps the better chance they have of showing up in the regular playlists. But yes, 343i should abandon the monthly DLC rotation and create two permanent DLC playlist for buyers to call home:
Squad DLC- 5v5
Majestic Pack, Bullseye Pack, Harvest, Daybreak, and Forge Island variants. Mix of Slayer and Objective gametypes. (Majestic Pack, Bullseye Pack, and Forge Island required)
BTB DLC- 8v8
Crimson Pack, Castle Pack, and Forge Island variants. Mix of Slayer and Objective gametypes. (Crimson Pack, Castle Pack, and Forge Island required)
> Would be a great idea for a DLC playlist, just saying, all dlc in one playlist.
IT has been explained why this wont happen numerous times. The maps require different team sizes, withe the biggest being 8v8. Having all the DLC maps in the same playlists means that the teams sizes would have to be 8v8 (to accommodate the big maps), which cannot be done on the smaller maps (specifically Skyline since it was made for 4v4). Having 8v8 on small maps makes it unplayable. Same goes for 4v4 on big maps, its possible but makes for a long boring game where the score limit will most likely not be reached before the time runs out.
This is why 343 wont put all the DLC maps in the same playlist.
Also, in regards to the OP, the DLC maps are integrated into the majority of HAlo 4’s playlists. You’re just not lucky enought to be matched up/playing with a team who have the DLC. Try partying up with other DLC owners, you will be surprised at how often the DLC shows. I did this in Action Sack with my friends who had the DLC and we got nothing but DLC maps in every voting option for 6 straight games.
> We can’t even use certain pieces of armor outside of the War Games. Not that Spartan Ops is all that great, but… seriously. Was it that hard to program?
I don’t see why this matters to people. You can’t see your armour in game anyway, and its not like theres a theater mode option for Spartan Ops.
They really need to do that 4v4-or-5v5 and 8v8 playlist mixture. It makes perfect sense to have two playlists encompassing all aspects of DLC play. Rotating each pack every month is not the answer.
343i really should have taken a page out of Bungie’s book and learned how to manage their playlists better. Those developers actually listened to their player-base with a degree of diligence.
> > We can’t even use certain pieces of armor outside of the War Games. Not that Spartan Ops is all that great, but… seriously. Was it that hard to program?
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> I don’t see why this matters to people. You can’t see your armour in game anyway, and its not like theres a theater mode option for Spartan Ops.
True, however it’s no excuse for developer laziness. In Halo: Reach, all armor sets were universally available in every game mode. What is the objective of keeping several of them exclusive to War Games in Halo 4? There is an issue with integrity at hand.
It’s a bit discouraging to see that 343i doesn’t feel compelled to deliver the highest quality experience to their playerbase.
I quit complaining about the DLC availability awhile ago, what’s the point?
> I quit complaining about the DLC availability awhile ago, what’s the point?
The point is to show the company that we are displeased in how they are managing the DLC content, of course 343I usually lacks on the reply dept so next time we will have to vote with our wallets by either not buying H5 or not buying any DLC for the game, after all why buy something that we will onyl be able to use for a couple of weeks and then have it basically unplayable?
> > The DLC playlists are rotational, and 343i has stated that specifically in multiple bulletins when they are rotating in and out of the list of playlists. Therefore, it is NOT a scam as you think. You’re just another person on the forums yiping about how you aren’t getting what you want.
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> You defending the bad business practices of MS and 343i only hurt the community.
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> <mark>Realize that we here on Waypoint are only a small “elite” fraction of the entire Halo community, and that the good majority of other players do not visit the site or forums or read the weekly updates, and therefore do not have all the information.</mark> (with the exception of what is stated on the XBL ads, marketplace, or retailers, which have been shown to be contradictory many times during the H4 life cycle )
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> Marketing for these products needs to be better, this is why there is so much confusion and such a huge rift in the community right now. This should have been thought out well in advance, as they knew what type of maps were being released and the player count that they were being released for. It is bad form for a company that creates a game to not take those basic things into account. It is 343i’s fault that the maps designed as dlc, cannot be fit into a single DLC playlist due to different player counts for different maps. While this is not a scam, it is horrible business if they wish to retain the small number of players that kept the game, and bring those players with them to the X-1 and H5.
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> The speed at which the DLC was released is another issue, as it shows that they were in production during the games production and from what I see could have switched out some of the standard maps with more unified player counts with the DLC maps, and kept the DLC map releases to a more uniform player count so that they wouldn’t have the DLC issues of 4v4 vs 8v8 vs 6v6. This is a simple issue that could have been taken care of when all the maps were being drawn on whiteboards. When a consumer sees bad business decisions like this, and is not a fanboy, it causes them to loose faith in the company, and the product. ( which is the last thing this community needs right now )
You do realize that if they’re complaining on the WAYPOINT FORUMS that they obviously have access to ALL of the DLC information they need to answer their own questions or concerns?
I agree that they need to have DLC playlists ALL the time. I paid all the money to play the maps and I only get to when they feel like it? Same with the champions bundle, that will get filtered out to I bet, more wasted money.
> > > The DLC playlists are rotational, and 343i has stated that specifically in multiple bulletins when they are rotating in and out of the list of playlists. Therefore, it is NOT a scam as you think. You’re just another person on the forums yiping about how you aren’t getting what you want.
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> > You defending the bad business practices of MS and 343i only hurt the community.
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> > <mark>Realize that we here on Waypoint are only a small “elite” fraction of the entire Halo community, and that the good majority of other players do not visit the site or forums or read the weekly updates, and therefore do not have all the information.</mark> (with the exception of what is stated on the XBL ads, marketplace, or retailers, which have been shown to be contradictory many times during the H4 life cycle )
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> You do realize that if they’re complaining on the WAYPOINT FORUMS that they obviously have access to ALL of the DLC information they need to answer their own questions or concerns?
Indeed I do, just as I realize that a consumer is far more likely to sign up for a forum after they have felt burned from a purchase, specifically to voice their opinions on a product. I know several that did exactly that after the Crimson DLC fiasco. While that isn’t the case with this specific user, it is the case with some.
People go on vacation, become busy, there are many reasons why a person who usually checks the site, can miss a weekly update. Just as there are many reasons for people to stop playing. But then there are many who never check the site, or come to the site after feeling burned to voice their disapproval over a purchase, and are bombarded by angry fans who claim that they are just “entitled little brats”. This is not an issue of BR spread, sprint or any gameplay issue, those can be fixed…easily. What we are discussing is marketing, promotion and making sure that the consumer has clear information about the purchase they are making. If the information on the purchase stated that these maps are rotational then there would be no issue, but that is not the case.
An angry consumer who feels burned and is attacked by fans for voicing disapproval, is far more damaging to the franchise than any argument over gameplay, and I stand by my opinion that your aggressive, condescending defense of bad business practices only adds to this damage. If you didn’t like what this person was stating, you could have easily avoided the thread, and let it drop off the first page, or presented yourself in a more cordial manner. Our community is in shambles right now, the franchise is bleeding out players, and it requires us as community members to have a gentler touch when dealing with each other.
> > > > The DLC playlists are rotational, and 343i has stated that specifically in multiple bulletins when they are rotating in and out of the list of playlists. Therefore, it is NOT a scam as you think. You’re just another person on the forums yiping about how you aren’t getting what you want.
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> > > You defending the bad business practices of MS and 343i only hurt the community.
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> > > <mark>Realize that we here on Waypoint are only a small “elite” fraction of the entire Halo community, and that the good majority of other players do not visit the site or forums or read the weekly updates, and therefore do not have all the information.</mark> (with the exception of what is stated on the XBL ads, marketplace, or retailers, which have been shown to be contradictory many times during the H4 life cycle )
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> > You do realize that if they’re complaining on the WAYPOINT FORUMS that they obviously have access to ALL of the DLC information they need to answer their own questions or concerns?
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> Indeed I do, just as I realize that a consumer is far more likely to sign up for a forum after they have felt burned from a purchase, specifically to voice their opinions on a product. I know several that did exactly that after the Crimson DLC fiasco. While that isn’t the case with this specific user, it is the case with some.
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> People go on vacation, become busy, there are many reasons why a person who usually checks the site, can miss a weekly update. Just as there are many reasons for people to stop playing. But then there are many who never check the site, or come to the site after feeling burned to voice their disapproval over a purchase, and are bombarded by angry fans who claim that they are just “entitled little brats”. This is not an issue of BR spread, sprint or any gameplay issue, those can be fixed…easily. What we are discussing is marketing, promotion and making sure that the consumer has clear information about the purchase they are making. If the information on the purchase stated that these maps are rotational then there would be no issue, but that is not the case.
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> An angry consumer who feels burned and is attacked by fans for voicing disapproval, is far more damaging to the franchise than any argument over gameplay, and I stand by my opinion that your aggressive, condescending defense of bad business practices only adds to this damage. If you didn’t like what this person was stating, you could have easily avoided the thread, and let it drop off the first page, or presented yourself in a more cordial manner. Our community is in shambles right now, the franchise is bleeding out players, and it requires us as community members to have a gentler touch when dealing with each other.
I wasn’t burning or attacking any fans that are voicing their disapproval. Sure, it was an aggressive post, however people are too forgiving, and I chose to be assertive instead of forgiving. People are also too lazy nowadays to do research before ranting their feelings and desires for change in their issues. 343i is at no fault in this issue, as they have properly advertised their products, and their intended usage for them. Not only was the info posted here onto the website, but it was an announcement within the game itself. If they didn’t receive the announcement, or didn’t get on to see it, then where better to go than to the one place on the internet where the developing company’s community website, where anything and everything related to the game and its development is located? The OP is at fault for not completing a full research on the DLC, and how 343i intends to use it, before making his purchase.