If you guys go to a post I just made called Which was your first Halo Game?, you will see that nobody so far has chosen Halo 4 or Halo 5 as their first Halo game. The reason 343 has been making all these changes such as Smart Scope is to appeal and attract new members to our community from other famous FPS’s. You guys might not take this as proof but it does show that 343 is or was focusing for the wrong crowd. But I have to say, Halo 5 looks to be moving uphill.
Yet wouldn’t that mean that most of the people who positively enjoyed Halo 5, new features and all, would have played the previous Halo games first? So is it really a bad idea to have those new features if people regardless of where they started with Halo enjoy them?
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…wow… just… wow.
Another person who thinks every halo fan (from new to old) is on Waypoint.
Another Fanboy who uses Halo 4’s lack of numbers to as evidence that 343 apparently suck.
Is this seriously what the Halo waypoint community has become, full of stupid fanboys who think they are true halo fans just because they are on the Official Halo website’s forum.
BTW i don’t think you may know this but… 343 is still quite young in terms of Game development, Halo 4 was their first true Halo game that they made, Halo 5 is their Second.
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> BTW i don’t think you may know this but… 343 is still quite young in terms of Game development, Halo 4 was their first true Halo game that they made, Halo 5 is their Second.
I wouldn’t waste your breath. Most people who don’t like Halo 4 or 5 don’t really care if it was 343’s first game. As far as they’re concerned, your first game has to be perfect otherwise you’re horrible and you should feel bad. Halo 4 was a rushed game because 343 had a very small team and they had been given a deadline. So they just built off of Reach which even I have to admit was a bad idea. Halo 5 is 343’s first true game, the Halo game that they have always wanted to make. So Halo 5 should be considered their definitive Halo, whether it succeeds or bombs.
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> Is this seriously what the Halo waypoint community has become, full of stupid fanboys who think they are true halo fans just because they are on the Official Halo website’s forum.
That and they’ve been playing for over a decade… Pull your head out of your -Yoink-. The reason all of these “fanboys” are complaining so much about 343i in the forums is because they have the right to. 343i has mistreated the franchise in the past and with them taking it in a whole new direction they are trying to ensure they don’t completely screw over Halo’s true fanbase. Yes that’s right, I said Halo’s true fanbase. Everybody understands that 343i wants to attract new players and all, but in the end it is the people who have been here since the very beginning that they should be catering to. They have earned their place in the community and 343i would rather pretend they didn’t exist. -Yoink!- Crankie O’Connor and Kookoo Wolfkill think that just because they now have control of Halo, they have free reign to do whatever they see fit with it. And what they see fit with it is an entirely different game then we are all used to. Don’t get me wrong Halo 5’s beta was pretty good. Borderline great actually. However it wasn’t Halo. Not by a longshot.
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> > Is this seriously what the Halo waypoint community has become, full of stupid fanboys who think they are true halo fans just because they are on the Official Halo website’s forum.
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> That and they’ve been playing for over a decade… Pull your head out of your -Yoink-. The reason all of these “fanboys” are complaining so much about 343i in the forums is because they have the right to. 343i has mistreated the franchise in the past and with them taking it in a whole new direction they are trying to ensure they don’t completely screw over Halo’s true fanbase. Yes that’s right, I said Halo’s true fanbase. Everybody understands that 343i wants to attract new players and all, but in the end it is the people who have been here since the very beginning that they should be catering to. They have earned their place in the community and 343i would rather pretend they didn’t exist. -Yoink!- Crankie O’Connor and Kookoo Wolfkill think that just because they now have control of Halo, they have free reign to do whatever they see fit with it. And what they see fit with it is an entirely different game then we are all used to. Don’t get me wrong Halo 5’s beta was pretty good. Borderline great actually. However it wasn’t Halo. Not by a longshot.
Mistreated… How?
Are you talking about the MCC issue, the only game 343i has really -Yoinked!- up.
Are you talking about Halo 4 (their first made game) was not the best they could’ve done
Are you talking about how the new Spartan abilities do not belong to halo.
Also elaborate by what you mean by saying Halo 5 is not Halo. The only difference between Halo 5 and old halo’s i see are the armour abilities and sprint.
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> > BTW i don’t think you may know this but… 343 is still quite young in terms of Game development, Halo 4 was their first true Halo game that they made, Halo 5 is their Second.
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> I wouldn’t waste your breath. Most people who don’t like Halo 4 or 5 don’t really care if it was 343’s first game. As far as they’re concerned, your first game has to be perfect otherwise you’re horrible and you should feel bad. Halo 4 was a rushed game because 343 had a very small team and they had been given a deadline. So they just built off of Reach which even I have to admit was a bad idea. Halo 5 is 343’s first true game, the Halo game that they have always wanted to make. So Halo 5 should be considered their definitive Halo, whether it succeeds or bombs.
i think that its also the Halo game they should’ve made in the first place.
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> > Is this seriously what the Halo waypoint community has become, full of stupid fanboys who think they are true halo fans just because they are on the Official Halo website’s forum.
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> That and they’ve been playing for over a decade… Pull your head out of your -Yoink-. The reason all of these “fanboys” are complaining so much about 343i in the forums is because they have the right to. 343i has mistreated the franchise in the past and with them taking it in a whole new direction they are trying to ensure they don’t completely screw over Halo’s true fanbase. Yes that’s right, I said Halo’s true fanbase. Everybody understands that 343i wants to attract new players and all, but in the end it is the people who have been here since the very beginning that they should be catering to. They have earned their place in the community and 343i would rather pretend they didn’t exist. -Yoink!- Crankie O’Connor and Kookoo Wolfkill think that just because they now have control of Halo, they have free reign to do whatever they see fit with it. And what they see fit with it is an entirely different game then we are all used to. Don’t get me wrong Halo 5’s beta was pretty good. Borderline great actually. However it wasn’t Halo. Not by a longshot.
Did you get those names from the machinima " Mik3 WB & Arbiter617 vs. 343 Industries"?
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> BTW i don’t think you may know this but… 343 is still quite young in terms of Game development, Halo 4 was their first true Halo game that they made, Halo 5 is their Second.
Nope, they had other devs make the multi-player (Halo 4). They have yet to make a Halo by themselves as of now.
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> I wouldn’t waste your breath. Most people who don’t like Halo 4 or 5 don’t really care if it was 343’s first game. As far as they’re concerned, your first game has to be perfect otherwise you’re horrible and you should feel bad. Halo 4 was a rushed game because 343 had a very small team and they had been given a deadline. So they just built off of Reach which even I have to admit was a bad idea. Halo 5 is 343’s first true game, the Halo game that they have always wanted to make. So Halo 5 should be considered their definitive Halo, whether it succeeds or bombs.
343 did not build off of Reach because I actually liked Reach and it’s one of the best Halo games to date. Halo 4 has to much new features and bs to be building off of reach. Reach had nothing like ordnance or Prometheans weapons and all that. Point is, Halo 4 was worked on for a long and hard time.
I think if anything, it proves that there are people who like h4/h5 who DON’T have it as their first game. The anti-sprint group likes to complain that anyone for sprint joined in reach or later. But of course, it’s a poll on a very specific website, so it only reflects the users of said website.
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> 343 did not build off of Reach because I actually liked Reach and it’s one of the best Halo games to date. Halo 4 has to much new features and bs to be building off of reach. Reach had nothing like ordnance or Prometheans weapons and all that. Point is, Halo 4 was worked on for a long and hard time.
he’s talking about the engine. they Used reach as a backbone then they changed it to become what we know as Halo 4.
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> Nope, they had other devs make the multi-player (Halo 4). They have yet to make a Halo by themselves as of now.
Actually, Certain Affinity were the only outside help 343i had, they only ‘CO-Developed’ the MP and made the Forge Maps.
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> 343 did not build off of Reach because I actually liked Reach and it’s one of the best Halo games to date. Halo 4 has to much new features and bs to be building off of reach. Reach had nothing like ordnance or Prometheans weapons and all that. Point is, Halo 4 was worked on for a long and hard time.
Every Halo game is built off of the last one. Adding a couple of features and Promethean weapons doesn’t make it any less built off of Halo Reach, (which does have ordnance in FF by the way…)
If I recall, the Spartans still use the same jogging animation and jumping animation from Halo Reach in Halo 4, H2A, and Halo 5. I can’t say I blame them, either. It’s a good biped… Some of the assassinations are the same as well.
Ya, h4 really failed to attract new Halo players.
While I agree that Halo 4 sucked overall and that Halo 5 seems to be going the wrong direction your general argument is rather silly
Yeah, your evidence is vague and terrible at best. My first halo was CE, Halo MCC was the first Halo game I bought (I usually played at a friend’s house). I have only participated in the forums since H5 beta. In FACT, Halo 5 beta was the first time I ever used xbox live or cared to spend money for an online subscription. (since I don’t have the luxury of being able to spend hours online to make buying a month or year worth the money).
Here’s the big problem with your “evidence”. I don’t know how many people on this forum participated, but assuming only 100 participated (and that’s extremely generous), then you are basing the millions of Halo fans off of 100. You’ve sampled roughly 0.001% of the population. Most of the participants who voted for the earlier games have likely bought the sequels as well, meaning player retention.
Here’s better evidence for you:
GLOBAL SALES (individual unit sales), as of January 2015, according to VGChartz.
Halo CE: 6.43m (+2.34m Anniversary)
Halo 2: 8.49m (+ 0.08m PC)
Halo 3: 12.01m
ODST: 6.30m
Reach: 9.70m
Halo 4: 9.40m
MCC: 1.91m
Halo 5G: 183,084 preorders, USA only, with no release date. (Currently #4 most preordered game).
What you see is hard evidence from sales of the games worldwide. As you can see, 343’s games have mainly been remakes and thus only the nostalgic buy them. We can see that in the anniversary games. Halo 4 could owe some of its low sales to the fact that it came after 2 “low selling” Bungie titles: ODST and Reach, and because they are a new company. Most people don’t trust new or different things. It’s a fact that change scares people. If anything, 343 has done a good job of getting 9.4 million sales in a highly competitive genre of gaming, at the end of the Xbox 360’s life.
Now lets look at console sales:
Xbox: >24m
360: 83.7m
One: ~10m
So if we take the Halo games and divide them evenly among consoles to see what percentage of xboxes likely had a Halo game with it 9and please note that these ratios are taken for the console that the game was mainly designed for CE+2 for Xbox, 3, ODST, Reach, 3 with 360, etc…):
Halo: CE: ~26.79%
Halo 2: ~35.38%
Halo 3: ~14.35%
ODST: ~7.53%
Reach: ~11.59%
Halo 4: ~11.23%
MCC: ~19.1%
As we can see here, the highest ration of Halo games to Xboxes came during Halo 2 and Halo CE, but that was not when Halo was most popular. If you ask me what the problem is, I’d say Halo (since Halo 3) has been missing more than 80% of its market. That’s the failure. Halo 4 kept the Halo fanbase of Halo: Reach, the fanbase 343i inherited from Bungie. In that sense, they succeeded in keeping interest in the franchise.
I hope Halo 5G makes a big comeback in the market, not from the apparent losses of Halo 4 or MCC, but from Halo 3 losing so much of the Xbox market. MCC has already cornered 19% of its available market, not bad for a year old console and a months old game. Nearly 1 in 5 Xbone’s have an MCC with it and considering the fact that MCC is 4 older games, nothing new, that is extremely good. 3 of those games will work on most X360s. Given how new Halo 4 and the Xbone are, most people don’t need a reason to buy the games they already have and are able to play on a whim. Where’s the failure in that?
That being said, what is a true fan of anything? Many people say H2 was their first Halo, which isn’t the beginning. Most Halo fans haven’t read the extracurricular books or edit Halopedia daily. Fan literally means “enthusiastic devotee”. Most Halo peeps are enthusiastic and devote some of their time to playing the game. A fan could also be a supporter or an addict, which many players can identify with those words as well.
You can say you are a true fan of the Halo trilogy. Have fun feeling smug and superior about nothing. Now everyone is butt hurt over a game that none of us own, because its fans can’t help but partition themselves into Camp CE, Camp H2, Camp H5G, and Camp Woe-is-me.
Mr. Reloadshot, you really like strumming up controversy, don’t you?
How is this proof and how is this mind blowing?