If Reach was the home of the spartans then where were all the other spartans? Dont you think you would have seen at least one other squad throughout the campaign?
Noble team was too busy driving pickup trucks instead of doing something usefull.
If I read the book right…
Most of the Spartan IIs were planetside only at the very end. In the book, Keyes was never dirtside that late in the invasion.
Reach was a planet-wide genocide.
Reach is a lie. Read the book “Fall of Reach”, that will set you straight.
In my opinion, the games always take presedence over the books. I don’t think they put another squad in the campaign because they didn’t want to deal with creating more character personalities. Just an opinion though…
> Reach is a lie. Read the book “Fall of Reach”, that will set you straight.
Halo Reach does not interfere with Fall of Reach at all.
OT: Reach was were the Spartan IIs were trained, but not where they were. The events in Halo Reach were confined to a small section of the planet until the very end. Up until August 30, most the planet had no idea they were under attack.
Most S-IIs were on various deployments up until August 30. On that day, all living S-IIs short of Grey Team and Jorge-052 were in the Pillar of Autumn being briefed on Operation: RED FLAG. However, when a fleet of 300 ships arrived, the cat was out of the bag.
> > Reach is a lie. Read the book “Fall of Reach”, that will set you straight.
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> Halo Reach does not interfere with Fall of Reach at all.
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> OT: Reach was were the Spartan IIs were trained, but not where they were. The events in Halo Reach were confined to a small section of the planet until the very end. Up until August 30, most the planet had no idea they were under attack.
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> Most S-IIs were on various deployments up until August 30. On that day, all living S-IIs short of Grey Team and Jorge-052 were in the Pillar of Autumn being briefed on Operation: RED FLAG. However, when a fleet of 300 ships arrived, the cat was out of the bag.
Halo Reach’s campaign was an abomination that clashed with, and ruined, the canon I loved from “The Fall of Reach” novel. Spartan III’s were not supposed to be on Reach and we did not see a single one of the Spartan II’s (besides Jorge) who were supposed to be battling on Reach.
There were many other canonical mistakes that people have pointed out, but I don’t remember the details.
I’ve never had a campaign that ruined other stuff for me. That takes a special kind of bad.
> Halo Reach’s campaign was an abomination that clashed with, and ruined, the canon I loved from “The Fall of Reach” novel. Spartan III’s were not supposed to be on Reach and we did not see a single one of the Spartan II’s (besides Jorge) who were supposed to be battling on Reach.
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> There were many other canonical mistakes that people have pointed out, but I don’t remember the details.
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> I’ve never had a campaign that ruined other stuff for me. That takes a special kind of bad.
The book “The Fall of Reach” had very little to do with the actual battle of Reach. Halo Reach turned the Battle into a month long conflict. All the event in the book are basically the events as the Master Chief experienced them, what happened from his perspective. Halo Reach shows what was going on on the rest of the planet.
July 17th-18th:
- Battle of Sigma Octanus IV
- UNSC Iroquois compromised by Covenant Telemetry Probe
July 19th-23rd:
- Sometime between these dates the UNSC Iroquois returns to Reach, unknowingly giving the Covenant the Planet’s location.
July 24th:
- Reach loses contact with outer colonies
- Winter Contingency declared
(Reach - Winter Contingency)
(Dr. Halsey’s Journal: July 24th, 2552
“Meanwhile, receiving scattered data from the usual suspects concerning atmospheric anomalies along with radar and slipspace monitoring glitches. Compared these events to those recorded near Sigma Octanus. No match. Still, a series of coincidences usually aren’t coincidence.” )
July 26th:
- A single Covenant Corvette assaults SWORD Base and is destroyed by MAC Round.
- Dr. Halsey debriefs Noble Team on the events that occurred at Visegrad.
(Reach - Sword Base)
(People like to argue how this violates Ghosts of Onyx, however it does not because she doesn’t know they are Spartan IIIs.
“Even more intriguing are the others on this NOBLE Team. They are considerably younger than Jorge. The way these others move… they’re obviously augmented. Are they all Spartan-IIs? Or as I suspect from their inelegant personas, are they substandard versions of the Spartan-II? Perhaps from a parallel program (JAVELIN), or some next gen venture piggypacking on the last three decades of my work.”)
July 27th-August 10th:
- No enemy activity detected
- Operation: RED FLAG drafted
- Captain Jacob Keyes chosen for RED FLAG
- UNSC Pillar of Autumn chosen for RED FLAG
- Dr. Halsey splits Cortana into two fragments
(Dr. Halsey’s Journal: August 3rd, 2552
“I’ll copy most of her IEP translation routines to an independent module. Meanwhile, the incarnate Cortana will continue with John and Blue Team. Both operations are critical to the war effort. If Laszlo made a breakthrough, that data would aid Blue Team in enemy space. The severed data-mining portion of Cortana can then be reunited and she can update herself before Blue Team departs.” )
August 11th:
- Covenant forces reappear in greater numbers
- Recon teams deployed
(Reach - Nightfall)
August 12th:
- Spartan IIs return to Reach
- UNSC Army engages Covenant forces in Viery Territory
(Reach - Tip of the Spear)
August 14th:
- UNSC Air Force destroys Covenant Supercarrier Long Night of Solace
- Covenant reinforcements arrive
(Reach - Long Night of Solace)
August 23rd:
- UNSC forces. including Noble Team, engage Covenant in New Alexandria
(Reach - Exodus / New Alexandria)
August 24th:
- Dr. Halsey momentarily examines holographic image of a mysterious crystal found on Sigma Octanus.
(It is said in TFoR that Cortana was able to decipher the Crystal’s markings but it never says how. Halo Reach, as well as Halsey’s Journal, confirm that she knew how to decipher the code because of her knowledge learned from the Forerunner structure. The patterns were not obviously recognized as star patterns because they were represented by Forerunner symbols. As Dr. Halsey states…
“Similarities to hypothesized navigational code in enemy transmissions are inconclusive. Possible IEP deconvolution? Is there a connection to these more 'standard stylized glyphs?”
August 25th:
- Cortana chooses John-117 as her Spartan for RED FLAG
- Dr. Halsey requests Noble Team to meet her at SWORD Base
(Noble Team was ordered to Sword Base for a “Torch and burn off”, however Dr. Halsey informs them that that mission was just a “pretext” to bring them to her.)
August 26th:
- Noble Team extracted from New Alexandria
August 27th:
- Spartan IIs informed of RED FLAG
- Cortana continues to learn and decipher the alien proto-culture language, code forms and technologies
(The Master Chief makes note that the training facility seemed “eerily silent” which of course is because no one was there to train as they were busy engaging the enemy for real elsewhere on the Planet. He also makes note that security was much more tight with “three times the number of MPs patrolling”. This heightened security would be because the enemy is on Reach but not yet near those facilities.)
August 29th:
- Master Chief trains with his Cortana fragment
- Dr. Halsey returns to SWORD Base
- Noble Team returns to SWORD Base
- Cortana chooses Noble Six as her escort
(Reach - The Package)
(Evidence suggests Halsey was able to return to SWORD Base on the 29th because she had a Military escort. Troopers were alive and “Committed to the position”, which was the entrance to Halsey’s lab. There were also “Others” who handled the demolition which means there was some other team working in unison with Noble. ODSTS? Other Spartans? This is unknown at this point but we do know they destroy everything successfully. Halsey also says she “requires no escort” possibly because she already knew someone else was there to assist her. Jun is ordered to go with her anyways.)
August 30th:
- The Fleet of Particular Justice assaults Reach
- Pillar of Autumn engages Covenant fleet.
- Spartans deployed to Reach
- Autumn returns to Reach for rearmament, picks up Cortana fragment, escapes Reach
(Reach - The Pillar of Autumn / Lone Wolf)
(Dr. Halsey’s Journal: August 30th, 2552
“The Covenant on Reach. NOT a scout party; they are here en masse. I’ve seen the reports of how ‘contained’ the situation is - military shorthand for ‘it’-Yoink!- the fan’.”
(Cortana uses the knowledge gained from the Forerunner artifact under Sword Base to determine what the patterns on the Crystal mean. They are coordinates which lead them to Alpha Halo.)
That’s an impressive chronological list. That list makes it seem like the canon is all correct, but I’m still disappointed with the small scale of the campaign. From “Fall of Reach” I was expecting enormous ground battles instead of small special ops missions. Oh well.
> That’s an impressive chronological list. That list makes it seem like the canon is all correct, but I’m still disappointed with the small scale of the campaign. From “Fall of Reach” I was expecting enormous ground battles instead of small special ops missions. Oh well.
It’s never going to feel that grand. Your an individual soldier, so you can only see so much. I have yet to find a game that make conflict feel any larger than Reach did.
EDIT: Credit goes to Nihilius Shadow for the Timeline.
Actully, I Think Sargent Forge Is Master Chief. Anyways,Some Pepole Think that Jun Is Master Chief because His Armor Is Green too. Well I Dont Think That. P.S Can Anyone Think of A Death For Jun?..
> I have yet to find a game that make conflict feel any larger than Reach did.
Mass Effect 3 does pretty damn well at achieving that. And as for the topic, the ignorant minds are ever tiresome, eh Toa?
Spartan III’s being on Reach is not even canonical anyway.
Says who?
Just to clear this up, as bungie made the halo universe, the games take priority over the books for cannon, so the games, are more true than the books.
> Just to clear this up, as bungie made the halo universe, the games take priority over the books for cannon, so the games, are more true than the books.
Im sorry to say dude but u dont know -Yoink-. If u bothered to check The Fall of Reach book was actually first published October 30th 2001, around the time the Original Halo CE game was released. It was written in conjunction with Bungie and Microsoft’s Franchise Development group to give a back story to how the Halo CE game starts. So I’m sorry, but the Halo Reach game -Yoinks!- with the true canon of the Halo timeline.
I hate to say dude, but no, it doesn’t. And Sangajin is correct, upon Reach’s creation Halo was still a Bungie franchise, and their “law” was that the games overwrote anything conflicting with other canon. So any “conflicts” between the book and the game (and they are so menial,) default to “The Game is correct.” Upon transfer to 343i, they released “ONI Data-drops” to help smooth over the canon. With everything considered (new editions, ONI Drops, etc,) the canon completely fits.
People like you need to let go of the old. It is in the past, in Halo’s days of frachisal infancy. Everything new is now final, and everything in the future will coincide with what is canon now.
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> I hate to say dude, but no, it doesn’t. And Sangajin is correct, upon Reach’s creation Halo was still a Bungie franchise, and their “law” was that the games overwrote anything conflicting with other canon. So any “conflicts” between the book and the game (and they are so menial,) default to “The Game is correct.” Upon transfer to 343i, they released “ONI Data-drops” to help smooth over the canon. With everything considered (new editions, ONI Drops, etc,) the canon completely fits.
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> People like you need to let go of the old. It is in the past, in Halo’s days of frachisal infancy. Everything new is now final, and everything in the future will coincide with what is canon now.
What do you mean people like me? Racist much? The first halo game I ever played was halo 3. I read all the books before I even played halo CE and halo 2 and they fit perfectly. It not my fault Bungie didn’t think to check back to the material they co-created 9 years before they made the abomination that is Halo Reach. As far as I’m concerned the original book will ALWAYS take precedence over the new update. If Bungie didn’t F*CK up in the first place, they wouldn’t have had the need to make the updates to try to justify themselves.