> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA 
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > >
> > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > >
> > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > >
> > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> >
> > God finally you answered it.
> > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
>
> you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> > > > can we all just stop arguing and agree on this:
> > > >
> > > > armor locking, while fun and a ‘reasonable’ mechanic, hardly has a place in match making, and the only place it should be avalable is invasion.
> > > >
> > > > Armor locking doesnt “get you kills” and in no way is OP. It just distorts the kills, for exaple A1 and A2, against B2, Perhaps the B dies without even getting a kill, but more often than not, armor locking ruins assists and can get you kill jacked way easeier than anythign else.
> > > >
> > > > If you think im wrong:
> > > >
> > > > look at anyone who “dies or goes negative because of armor lock” and thier bpr/‘k/d’ is just as bad as someone who thinks armor lock is a gift from god.
> > > >
> > > > Armor lock hardly effects gameplay as much as people think it does, and while I dont like it, if it really gives you REAL trouble in matchmaking you are bad, period.
> > >
> > > for me its a fundamental discussion because i cannot understand the contradiction of invincibility in a shooter (which is about killing enemies)
> > > am i bad now?
> >
> > is he moving while being invincible?
> > no?
> > then i don’t see a problem.
>
> yet again its only about the invincibility not about the AL not moving
> if you dont see the problem with being invincible in a shooter im done since i wont be able to convince you if youre lacking the capability to see this contrast.
but it isn’t permanent, when the timer runs out he is then vulnerable again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > >
> > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > >
> > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > >
> > > God finally you answered it.
> > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> >
> > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
>
> AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
Wait a minute, I thought you hated AL Haunted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > >
> > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > >
> > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > >
> > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > >
> > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> >
> > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
>
> and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
>
> if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
> The fact that everyone can use it does not make it a good game mechanic. Such “logic” does not work out too well.
Absolutly correct,but it does allow everybody to have the same advantages making it fair.
Bloodguard and huanted you are taking over my thread for your debate.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > >
> > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > >
> > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > >
> > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> >
> > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> >
> > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
>
> it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
>
> if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
so why on earth would a person keep choosing to attack a person in armour lock, thats how the effort is being removed, not the armour ability but player decision.
the player who took the effort to get the power weapons and map controll will wait for the player to come out of armour and then use the acquired power weapon to gain the kill and point for his team.
omg no, his effort wasn’t wasted after all!!
> Wait a minute, I thought you hated AL Haunted.
Ive been softening him up on it LOL,few more weeks and he will be converted.(no he wont,JK)
> > The fact that everyone can use it does not make it a good game mechanic. Such “logic” does not work out too well.
>
> Absolutly correct,but it does allow everybody to have the same advantages making it fair.
sorta, this would be true if everyone spawned with it regardless of the loudout picked.
> Wait a minute, I thought you hated AL Haunted.
i do hate it but that doesn’t mean i think it’s a bad thing.
> Bloodguard and huanted you are taking over my thread for your debate.
you weren’t here and this is where the debate lead.
also, i can’t stand ignorance, just saying.
now, if you’ll excuse me i’m going on my xbox.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > >
> > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > >
> > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > >
> > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> >
> > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> >
> > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
>
> it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
>
> if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
It’s called a counter buddy. 
> > > The fact that everyone can use it does not make it a good game mechanic. Such “logic” does not work out too well.
> >
> > Absolutly correct,but it does allow everybody to have the same advantages making it fair.
>
> sorta, this would be true if everyone spawned with it regardless of the loudout picked.
A well rounded team will have a combination of AA for differant applications.If everybody used AL that would be boring,its one of many really cool additions to halo,AA have added so much more than they have detracted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > > >
> > > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > > >
> > > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> > >
> > > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> > >
> > > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
> >
> > it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> > so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
> >
> > if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
>
> so why on earth would a person keep choosing to attack a person in armour lock, thats how the effort is being removed, not the armour ability but player decision.
>
> the player who took the effort to get the power weapons and map controll will wait for the player to come out of armour and then use the acquired power weapon to gain the kill and point for his team.
>
> omg no, his effort wasn’t wasted after all!!
EXAMPLE: nonAL kills a player who had one rocket left (by outplaying him you know). nonAL shoots rocket at player B not knowing he has AL. B locks and denies the effort of the player that outplayed another player for the rocket. what now?
is it yet again a really small chance that this happens? if so why does this change it?
> > Bloodguard and huanted you are taking over my thread for your debate.
>
> you weren’t here and this is where the debate lead.
>
> also, i can’t stand ignorance, just saying.
>
> now, if you’ll excuse me i’m going on my xbox.
LOL get your play on haunted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > > >
> > > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > > >
> > > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> > >
> > > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> > >
> > > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
> >
> > it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> > so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
> >
> > if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
>
> It’s called a counter buddy.
well then you should see the problem here, as players can spawn with a counter to almost everything on the map that players have to work to achieve.
seems kind of unfair that after fighting others and securing map control to get the rocket launcher it is countered by another player changing his loudout.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > > > >
> > > > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> > > >
> > > > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> > > >
> > > > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
> > >
> > > it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> > > so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
> > >
> > > if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
> >
> > so why on earth would a person keep choosing to attack a person in armour lock, thats how the effort is being removed, not the armour ability but player decision.
> >
> > the player who took the effort to get the power weapons and map controll will wait for the player to come out of armour and then use the acquired power weapon to gain the kill and point for his team.
> >
> > omg no, his effort wasn’t wasted after all!!
>
> EXAMPLE: nonAL kills a player who had one rocket left (by outplaying him you know). nonAL shoots rocket at player B not knowing he has AL. B locks and denies the effort of the player that outplayed another player for the rocket. what now?
> is it yet again a really small chance that this happens? if so why does this change it?
Tuff -Yoink- guy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain how it decreases the skill gap?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say it does but provide no explanation so why should i listen to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, for the better player to win more battles would mean that armour lock was causing them to loose battles which isn’t true.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teammate of the AL comes by and kills you although you were better at aiming and outplayed the AL. so the worse player denied your kill without skill (unless you regard using the left stick in loadout screen and pressing a button as skill; but then i wont argue with you anymore)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, he wasn’t killed because of armour lock, he was killed because he failed to adapt to the changed situation and failed to use teamwork.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you got the rocket by setting up map control and watching the respawn timer. you shoot your rocket at the opponent but he armor locks and deflects your rocket back and you die. same as above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is extremely unlikely but does happen and is an actual cause of armour lock but it is extremely rare, it may happen once in a game causing you to die but overall your team took controll and adapted to the changed situation causing a win.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your team lost then it’s your teams fault for failure to adapt to the changed situation which is the other team now has rockets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, i agree that this feature of armour lock should be removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you fight a swordwielder (implying youre not using AL) and kill him. you pick up the sword and lunge at your next opponent. he armor locks and and denies you another kill
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swing again using the mele button, he’ll get a sword block on you but you will kill him.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump backwards to dodge the EMP and lunge again.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this again is a failure to adapt to a new situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i dont understand with you people is that you do not want to see the contradiction in using invincibility in a game that is about kills
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point is that losing battles bc of AL happens to better players. read examples above
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i don’t understand is why the “good” players are so narrow minded.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, the examples above are mostly due to players incompetence and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its awesome that you defend your precious AA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted me to give examples why armor lock decreases the skill gap. i gave them to you and i will point it out in a more abstract way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-AL players put effort into gaining an advantage (strategy, power weapons, map control).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL players put no effort into gaining an advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can be summarized as a decreased skill gap for the armor lock user.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s awsome that you refuse to debate what i put forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a players wasn’t using an effort to get an advantage while using armour lock then they wouldn’t be getting an advantage but instead be putting themselfs at a diss-advantage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know where i was refusing a debate? im answering you all the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > okay so you dont see it as an advantage that armor lock counters every amount of damage?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok then, where were you replying to my points that it’s the players fault and not the armour ability?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’s only countering damage that you choose to deal to him while he is in armour lock, if he armour locks to block in-comming damage then you stop trying to deal damage when you know it isn’t going to work.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not want to know what to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i want to know if you see the ability of armor lock to counter every amount of damage as ana advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s not an advantage if you cannot move.
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’s how you use it that gives the advantage and that’s down to the player and not the armour ability.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > do not hedge my question.
> > > > > > > > > > > the only ability of armor lock regarded here is absorbing every amount of damage.
> > > > > > > > > > > its also not about how players use it.
> > > > > > > > > > > i want to know your opinion on whether the absorbing of damage is an advantage or not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > do i really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do I really have to repeat myself?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but i already said what i thought and my reply would have been exactly the same but you seem to miss the point.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sitting on the floor being able to absorb damage is not an advantage, it’s how the player decides to use the armour ability is what gives the advantage, the same as how other abilities give the user an advantage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > God finally you answered it.
> > > > > > > so for you its not an advantage. if you think so i cannot assume that you will understand why AL decreases the skill gap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you have to explain how armour lock decreases the skill gap
> > > > >
> > > > > AL rewards you with an advantage without putting effort into gaining the advantage=decreased skill gap for AL. hence the repeating of my question and the above statement
> > > >
> > > > and as i said, explain how it gives the user an advantage just by pressing a button.
> > > >
> > > > if a player doesn’t put effort in then all he is doing by using armour lock is putting himself at more of a diss-advantage then other armour abilites do.
> > >
> > > it absorbs every amount of damage and thus erases all the effort another player put into gaining his advantage (power weapons for example)
> > > so by choosing armor lock and then pressing a button the AL gains an advantage without effort= decreased skill gap
> > >
> > > if you dont understand it now ill stop right here
> >
> > so why on earth would a person keep choosing to attack a person in armour lock, thats how the effort is being removed, not the armour ability but player decision.
> >
> > the player who took the effort to get the power weapons and map controll will wait for the player to come out of armour and then use the acquired power weapon to gain the kill and point for his team.
> >
> > omg no, his effort wasn’t wasted after all!!
>
> EXAMPLE: nonAL kills a player who had one rocket left (by outplaying him you know). nonAL shoots rocket at player B not knowing he has AL. B locks and denies the effort of the player that outplayed another player for the rocket. what now?
> is it yet again a really small chance that this happens? if so why does this change it?
Somewhere 3 or so pages back I responded to your response,it got lost in the pages of debate between you and haunted,if you get a chance,take a look.
> > > There many fine points in your post but there is one that I would like to single out as the most important to debate and that is the point you added at the end as a edit.My question is this,are those the same players that will benfit from the skill gap the most?
> >
> > Deleted the whole quote before (it got pretty long).
> >
> > Well yes absolutely.
> >
> > If AL was to be removed from the whole game the more skilled players would absolutely benefit from the larger skill gap since they are ,well, more skilled
> >
> > I mean AL was implemented to especially decrease the skill gap so lesser skilled players could compete with more experienced opponents (other things with the same aim would be: no bleed through, longer shield recharge time, movement acceleration, lesser jump height, jet pack)
> >
> > If AL would be removed skillfull players would win more individual battles (read carefully; not saying they dont win ANY battles) because there is no second chance button.
>
> If I accept your premise that it was implemented for the specific purpose of catering to the less skilled player(I dont,but for the sake of debate I will)a few questions come to mind.First one is do you have an interveiw with any of developers saying anything to that effect?Lastly do you think that it would be a good idea for a publisher to specificlly tailor a game for the most skilled player,making it harder for the other 95% of players to compete?As a side note,I ran a thread on multiple forums to come to some sort of consensus on how many good/skilled players there actually are within the reach community,the result was about 5% of the population.That is how I arrived at 95% of the population being considered the unskilled players.(that is not my opinion,it is the opinion of those that have presented themselves as skilled due to arena ranking,mlg participation K/D,win/loss etc)
aight first ill answer your questions and then ill give my view on why reach was created how it was created
1 nope all personal opinion
2 it did work for H3 didnt it? im not saying it was godly (derankers, 2nd accounts) but there are still people playing it
3 my opinion differs there. you cant just say 5% are good the rest is rubbish. in my opinion you have to make a separition (for EXAMPLE: rubbish, bad, average, above average, good, very good, superior, semi pro, pro)