I can't help asking myself... how?

Games Other Halo
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I want to begin by telling a story.

As many of you may be aware Major League Gaming have announced that Halo 4 will not make an appearance in the 2013 Pro Circuit. Now I know a lot of people here don’t have anything to do with the competitive community or even like a lot of us.

There is a horrible stereotype that has stuck with our community, and a large majority of people don’t respect or even like us for it. They don’t see the real side of our community.

We are true Halo fan’s like the rest of you.

The only thing that is different is our mindset. We play to become better players, to win, and to have friendly and healthy competition between our friends.

In the end we invest a crazy amount of money and time into this game. Most of the competitive players I know put in over six hours on a daily occurrence, and spend hundreds of dollars, pounds, euro’s or whatever traveling and competing in events.

Yet as a community, as individual’s, we are looked down upon.

I have been a competitive Halo player for many years, and it hurts to see that our community has slipped to this point. I can’t help asking myself “how?”…

All I have to say to 343 and this community is this. Right now, this game is going through some hardship no matter what community you are in, and it’s about time we put down these petty little grudges against on another and come to the rescue of this franchise we call Halo.

In the end we can and will never make everyone 100% happy. We’re all going to have to compromise, but we need to start making changes now.

343, This game is dropping more and more day by day, and I know in your hearts you want to do the right thing. It’s time for you to make things happen. Get them new playlists out there, scheduling them and taking your time is really killing this community. Just jump in and make some changes and show this community that you’re trying your best and want to save this game.

Halo-Tanic… is a term I just heard used today. I don’t believe we’re at this point…

A lone player sitting at his computer completely helpless like myself can only feel frustrated. There is nothing I can do on my own. I ask, no, I plead, someone come to the rescue of this game.

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I can give you a few reasons:
Halo reach
Halo 4
a developer who consistently fails to acknowledge their community(343), a developer that was ready to move onto its next big thing(bungie), -Yoink!-, this community overwhelmed by biased mods and many people who don’t understand how halo should play, and refuse to try understanding(waypoint).

I know it sucks, it’s a -Yoink- situation, I myself haven’t played halo in a while.

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Why do you people give a damn about what MLG says? Do people play games for fun anymore?

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> Why do you people give a damn about what MLG says? Do people play games for fun anymore?

You don’t get it. Its not about “caring what MLG says.” It’s not a cult. It’s about having a large community with a standardized set of gameplay settings, being able to play with others online trying to get better in a balanced playlist, going to events to watch the best players play the game you love, and competing at said events. People have fun playing competitive halo. Its no different than Kobe playing in the NBA, or some kid on a high school football team. Do you really think it isn’t possible to have fun while competing?

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Personally, I have always hated MLG anyway, so I couldn’t care less.

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> Personally, I have always hated MLG anyway, so I couldn’t care less.

May I ask why?

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Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.

But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.

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You’re seeing exactly what the OP is not wanting happening in this thread with people just chiming in one sentence like “I don’t care about MLG.” You should really post a poll and ask “Do you like the state of Halo 4 yes or no?” and see what happens.

I am not a competitive player by any means. I’ve only been to one tournament and got my -Yoink- kicked, but I still love competing and winning every possible game I can.

I know none of you will ever do it, but I would like to challenge those wondering if they like Halo 4 to go back and just play a couple games of Halo 3. It will be weird at first, but it is so much fun to play. You only have to worry about one, maybe two people with a sniper instead of 6. You don’t have to worry about invisibility unless ONE person got the powerup.

Halo 4 is an amazing game and I love all the diverse weapons, but they should have stuck to its roots and kept everyone on the same playing field. loadouts in Reach were bad enough, and now they’re even more ridiculous.

If you’re completely satisfied with the way Halo 4 is now then all the power to you, but I feel you’re one of the few who are.

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> Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.
>
> But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.

Not really sure how taking out random elements to make the game fair and less aggravating is grounds for hatred. But ok.

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MLG should just move to League of Legends.

They have an uber competitive mind set.

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I used to be MLG, t’ill I started to not do anything with it that much. I have no opinions against MLG (competitive players, as they call them,) and I don’t particularly stand with them. But both sides have their wants, and both can’t get what they want.

Really what I’m trying to say, both casual and competitive should get along.

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> > Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.
> >
> > But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.
>
> Not really sure how taking out random elements to make the game fair and less aggravating is grounds for hatred. But ok.

Thats the thing that always divided MLG players from other players tho. MLG players (this is a generalization, and for that I apologize) drew a hard line in the dirt and said if you dont play this way, then you are not doing it right, or its not competitive or it does not count.

You know how many competitive halo leagues have been out there not named MLG? Several, yet none of them come in here demanding they have there own play lists or core mechanics of the game to be changed. It just does not happen.

I see posts now saying about how competitive halo is dead because MLG wont have it on it’s circuit and I have news for them. MLG is not the only place for competitive gaming. It’s not the only place with tournaments for gaming. However, a lot of so called “MLG” kids think its the end all be all of competitive gaming.

Hell I know other leagues that have been around a lot longer than MLG and are still going strong. So a lot of us are happy to see MLG and halo’s relationship over with.

I fall in line with the definition of a competitive player. I play to win. I play to better myself. However, in match making with no money on the line I have no problems using other not so popular weapons to finish off other commendations.

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The reason that stereotype is out is because it is the -Yoinks!- who put down everything. Reach was hated by them, H4 is hated by them, H3 may have even gotten some hate because Halo 2 was “better”. then they throw down the noob thing and they just end up spending more time -Yoinking!- about how it isn’t “competitive” (which it is, less skill based is the correct term to use). Just nastalgia jerks. And then there’s guys like you who actually know and understand that they don’t know everything. It’s a stereotype of jerks preaching to the deaf, everyday.

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> > > Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.
> > >
> > > But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.
> >
> > Not really sure how taking out random elements to make the game fair and less aggravating is grounds for hatred. But ok.
>
> Thats the thing that always divided MLG players from other players tho. MLG players (this is a generalization, and for that I apologize) drew a hard line in the dirt and said if you dont play this way, then you are not doing it right, or its not competitive or it does not count.
>
> You know how many competitive halo leagues have been out there not named MLG? Several, yet none of them come in here demanding they have there own play lists or core mechanics of the game to be changed. It just does not happen.
>
> I see posts now saying about how competitive halo is dead because MLG wont have it on it’s circuit and I have news for them. MLG is not the only place for competitive gaming. It’s not the only place with tournaments for gaming. However, a lot of so called “MLG” kids think its the end all be all of competitive gaming.
>
> Hell I know other leagues that have been around a lot longer than MLG and are still going strong. So a lot of us are happy to see MLG and halo’s relationship over with.
>
> I fall in line with the definition of a competitive player. I play to win. I play to better myself. However, in match making with no money on the line I have no problems using other not so popular weapons to finish off other commendations.

You are right for acknowledging that what you said was a generalization. It is a false generalization. There is no line.

Yes there are many smaller leagues that host tournaments. But you do know that their settings usually differ very little from MLG’s, right? And MLG has not demanded changes to the game. MLG was founded in 2002 and Halo CE came out in the fall of 01, not sure how much older these leagues are.

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> Why do you people give a damn about what MLG says? Do people play games for fun anymore?

Fun is subjective. Some people like going to tournaments, others play the base game.

That “MLG draws a hard line in the dirt” comment is so true.

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I remember posting stuff about comeing together as a community and using what we have in Halo 4 to come up with a stanth standerd playtype that everyone enjoys. I also remember being blocked out by hundreds of rage threads after that.

I understand you but the way a majority of the community is acting and killing there own beloved Halo smh idk.

343 no matter what they do they cant win. I;m still rooting for them but they need to step it up.

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> > > > Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.
> > > >
> > > > But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.
> > >
> > > Not really sure how taking out random elements to make the game fair and less aggravating is grounds for hatred. But ok.
> >
> > Thats the thing that always divided MLG players from other players tho. MLG players (this is a generalization, and for that I apologize) drew a hard line in the dirt and said if you dont play this way, then you are not doing it right, or its not competitive or it does not count.
> >
> > You know how many competitive halo leagues have been out there not named MLG? Several, yet none of them come in here demanding they have there own play lists or core mechanics of the game to be changed. It just does not happen.
> >
> > I see posts now saying about how competitive halo is dead because MLG wont have it on it’s circuit and I have news for them. MLG is not the only place for competitive gaming. It’s not the only place with tournaments for gaming. However, a lot of so called “MLG” kids think its the end all be all of competitive gaming.
> >
> > Hell I know other leagues that have been around a lot longer than MLG and are still going strong. So a lot of us are happy to see MLG and halo’s relationship over with.
> >
> > I fall in line with the definition of a competitive player. I play to win. I play to better myself. However, in match making with no money on the line I have no problems using other not so popular weapons to finish off other commendations.
>
> You are right for acknowledging that what you said was a generalization. It is a false generalization. There is no line.
>
> Yes there are many smaller leagues that host tournaments. But you do know that their settings usually differ very little from MLG’s, right? And MLG has not demanded changes to the game. MLG was founded in 2002 and Halo CE came out in the fall of 01, not sure how much older these leagues are.

He meant that the Halo community takes this “line” and judges you and games with it. Halo is still competitive, COD is still competitive. The only difference is that they are making it a little easier, but it still has the same competitive feel to it.

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Why should the non-competitive community listen to you?

They are already being catered to left and right. Unlike the competitive community, they have almost no issues with the game, besides lack of playlists.

Most of them seem to see no flaws in it.

The “join together to fix Halo 4” thing isn’t going to happen.

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> The reason that stereotype is out is because it is the -Yoinks!- who put down everything. Reach was hated by them, H4 is hated by them, H3 may have even gotten some hate because Halo 2 was “better”. then they throw down the noob thing and they just end up spending more time -Yoinking!- about how it isn’t “competitive” (which it is, less skill based is the correct term to use). Just nastalgia jerks. And then there’s guys like you who actually know and understand that they don’t know everything. It’s a stereotype of jerks preaching to the deaf, everyday.

Halo 4 and reach were bad halo games, I’m sorry if that offends you. They were both hated by many people, not just people who enjoy MLG halo. Bashing those games has nothing to due with nostalgia.

Its almost pointless posting, because this forum is full of bad stereotypes and false generalizations, often because someone had a bad run in with some trash talking kid named MLGSn1per5ki11s in some playlist.

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> > > > Personally, the concept of playing video games professionally, for a living, has always had me a little bit baffled.
> > > >
> > > > But the way they try to stip all the fun and randomness out of games just makes the way they play not fun for me. I like my games with a bit of random.
> > >
> > > Not really sure how taking out random elements to make the game fair and less aggravating is grounds for hatred. But ok.
> >
> > Thats the thing that always divided MLG players from other players tho. MLG players (this is a generalization, and for that I apologize) drew a hard line in the dirt and said if you dont play this way, then you are not doing it right, or its not competitive or it does not count.
> >
> > You know how many competitive halo leagues have been out there not named MLG? Several, yet none of them come in here demanding they have there own play lists or core mechanics of the game to be changed. It just does not happen.
> >
> > I see posts now saying about how competitive halo is dead because MLG wont have it on it’s circuit and I have news for them. MLG is not the only place for competitive gaming. It’s not the only place with tournaments for gaming. However, a lot of so called “MLG” kids think its the end all be all of competitive gaming.
> >
> > Hell I know other leagues that have been around a lot longer than MLG and are still going strong. So a lot of us are happy to see MLG and halo’s relationship over with.
> >
> > I fall in line with the definition of a competitive player. I play to win. I play to better myself. However, in match making with no money on the line I have no problems using other not so popular weapons to finish off other commendations.
>
> You are right for acknowledging that what you said was a generalization. It is a false generalization. There is no line.
>
> Yes there are many smaller leagues that host tournaments. But you do know that their settings usually differ very little from MLG’s, right? And MLG has not demanded changes to the game. MLG was founded in 2002 and Halo CE came out in the fall of 01, not sure how much older these leagues are.

First thing to clear up was the other leagues. I was not stating leagues that are halo only. CS tournaments have been going on since the mid 90’s.

Secondly, I think the generalization was far from wrong. I think it was right on the button with a majority of the players who like to play in the MLG play list but have never been to an actual tournament.