I can't believe what's coming out of my mouth

But it’s like sudden Clarity. I feel like Reach is better.

Not in the gameplay sense. Bloom, Armor lock, all was annoying. Except for certain things.

But Reach is better, in the ‘memorable’ sense.

Just minutes ago, I heard some Reach music. And I realized that Halo 4’s music didn’t truly fit. 117, To Galaxy, Nemesis, those are pretty good, but lacking not only the main theme, but ODST’s Jazz music, or Reach’s amazing beats, is sad. Music goes to Halo 3/Reach.

Halo 3 was never my game. I bought it 7 months after Reach was released; Worse, I live in China, so most of the time I played there would be about…I believe back then, it was 8k players? On at once. I never got to play customs on that game; And Campaign for me was in a chinese voiceover, so not that memorable when I played it.

But Reach, oh Reach. My First Halo game (And I like to think I improved), Reach was…majestic. It took 3 days for me playing Reach before I popped onto Bungie forums and started realizing flaws in the game, but for months, it wasn’t apparent to me.

Firefight was great. Spartan Ops is not a replacement, nor an evolution. It’s completely different.
Campaign was awesome. Again, quite literally, in gameplay terms, Halo 4 is better, and featured the Chief, but Reach’s campaign was more memorable. From the epic falcon scenes to the final, heartbreaking, sacrifice. Halo 4 didn’t compare. I mean, take the Broadsword scene. It was awesome on the first run, then on every run after that all that came to my mind was “Why don’t you go up and fly right above all the traps and moving stuff”. And again, music added to that.

Multiplayer. When I got Halo 4, I shrieked. But on the first game, I felt no, real, emotion. Back on Reach, my first game was filled with awe. I sucked, 0 kills and exactly 21 deaths, but it was amazing. The DMR, the Assault Rifle, grabbing the sword, it was amazing.

Forge World was amazing too. Impact, Ravine and Erosion are cool maps, but they don’t match, especially with custom games. Reach was, IMO, the pinnacle. While your opinion may differ, I feel like with the great Forge, it made Reach the best.

Machinima. I know several great machinima creators, and trust me when I say this: Halo 4 does not please them. It may graphically look good, but it doesn’t please them.

And then there’s me.

I am a competitive-casual player. And very…high, on both spectrums. I play tons of casual when I can. But when I am not, there’s only really 2 things I would play: BTB and MLG. Sometimes Team Objective, but I loved the big team chaos and frenzy.

But after the first 2 days of playing Reach, I devolved into what you might call a noob. Negative 15 k/d spread all games, bad at aiming, swore at teammates for sucking and enemies for hacking (I thought they could hear me! haha…) and after that month, I decided to get better. And found out my aiming was better. So I started getting better, and better, and by the 3rd month I had Reach, I woulds say it was at that point that I began my true career. Because when that happened, I was, instead of the worst player in the game, the best. I don’t know how, but by then, I could play on the Halo Reach MLG playlist and come out on top. And that was where it was most fun. Arena wasn’t; It wasn’t reflected in my stats. But MLG, that was where all my teammates and enemies had mics. That was competitive.

When I got Halo 3, I knew that if Reach had that ranking system, Reach would be great.

But, yeah.

Halo: Reach, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’ll miss you. Halo 4’s start is not comparable to you when I started with you.

I haven’t formally said this, but goodbye Reach, and Hello Halo 4. Hopefully 343 listens to us, the community, and I can create memories with you.

Nope. Reach is garbage. Only the trilogy deserves to be called Halo.

Oddly I agree with the OP. Got bored of H4 the other day, reluctantly decided to give Reach a try again, ended up playing for a few hours. Sounds crazy I know, but give it a try for yourself, youll be surprised.

> Oddly I agree with the OP. Got bored of H4 the other day, reluctantly decided to give Reach a try again, ended up playing for a few hours. Sounds crazy I know, but give it a try for yourself, youll be surprised.

The only way I would be surprised is if It pisses me off more than I would expect, which is a LOT.

Why are you people not going back to Halo 3? The last true Halo game playable on LIVE. What is wrong with all of you? Reach blows.

“Why are you people not going back to Halo 3? The last true Halo game playable on LIVE. What is wrong with all of you? Reach blows”.

+39, 999, 999.

> > Oddly I agree with the OP. Got bored of H4 the other day, reluctantly decided to give Reach a try again, ended up playing for a few hours. Sounds crazy I know, but give it a try for yourself, youll be surprised.
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> The only way I would be surprised is if It pisses me off more than I would expect, which is a LOT.
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> Why are you people not going back to Halo 3? The last true Halo game playable on LIVE. What is wrong with all of you? Reach blows.

I would if I could.

I can’t.

Ofcourse the first game you played is the best one for you… You played it a lot, know it completely and have the best memories of it. I really got into Halo at part 3 and that one still is the best one for me. I think Reach sucked and 4 is doing better again, with a lot of good stuff coming in the next few months.

I completely agree with you OP I hit SR130 in 3 weeks and 5 days and then I stopped playing halo 4 I have gone straight back to reach.

Believe me I have played alot of reach I have two online inheritor accounts to prove it…lol. However I could never play halo 4 that much.
I actually think the music and campaign is equal if not better than halo reach but in all other areas halo 4 fails and reach is the better game. I have spent hours in firefight and swat etc recently, I was bored with spartan ops after about my first 5 games of the day. Really hoping this TU coming soon fixes halo 4 or Im done full stop and reach will be my halo game for another 3 years.

Halo 3 was my first game online but I prefer the extra perks in reach sprint being number one.
I have since gone back to halo 3 but all I have found is de-rankers, hackers and black screening. This may have just been bad luck for me but gone back to it several times just to get the same thing. So this is why I will always stay faithful to reach. My haunted helemt and noble team.

Knowing how Reach’s and ODST’s music compares to the main trilogy… Heck knowing H3 is a compilation of H2 and CE but H2 and CE are barely alike in musical tone… I don’t think you dislike H4’s music, or think it’s weak. It’s likely that changes is something that takes you time to get used to, but once used to that change, you don’t want to get used to another change… But you always do.

Overall the H4 music makes me think of H2 with its more ambiance music rather than direct CE feeling. Unlike H2, I am not reminded of the ambiance coming from an elevator but it instead is coming from a summer blockbuster title. If I had to choose, I’ll not take the elevator and that at least makes me happy, if it doesn’t make me super hyped like CE’s music did for its moments.

Example: the Shortbow run’s music not focusing but instead observational on Midnight.

I thought I would really miss Marty O’Donnell but I have to say I havent, the new music guy and sorry not sure of his name has done a fantastic job. I will even at some point try and track down the soundtrack because I could easily listen to this on my B&W surround sound system and love every moment.

The music for halo 4 is immersing and involving I really love it.

Agreeable. But funny how the exact same thing was said two years ago.
“Halo 3 had problems, but was still better than Reach”
The only issues that bothered me were the lighting bugs, lowering gun problems, theatre restrictions, and unnecessarily scrapped features from the previous games. (eg. playable elites, a multiplayer human vehicle, race, small covenant maps etc.)

I know. I’ve seen all these threads stating “Halo 4 disappointment” and the same s**t happened with Reach. But instead of hating on a game and then abandoning it. it’s about time we collect up some USEFUL ideas to improve the Halo experience without taking something away.

What we can do to improve Halo 4:

*If it is possible, fix the lighting so the players do not look like they glow even if they are in the shade.
*Wargames should introduce double exp playlists, classic slayer with no loudouts or sprint, and Highest skill level aside everyone’s SR.
*Fix the weapon lowering mechanics and possibly introduce a machinima slayer variant that allows online players to lower their weapons. Maybe introduce playable elite models.
*Theatre needs to disable kill feeds and the announcer in free camera mode.
*Infection needs more customisation. eg. Changeable player colours, flood weapons, loudout traits, flood appearance etc. Maybe even make a player turn into an elite.
*Bring back gametypes such as “insane”, “race”, “One Flag”, “Assault”, “Invasion” and “Classic Flag”
*Slayer option to only count scoring by actual kills.
*Introduce Mark VI GEN 2 armour (Halo 4 Master Chief Armour) into multiplayer. I have no idea why they didn’t do it in the first place.
*Reduce DMR hitscan/auto-aim by 20% and up BR, no-scoped light rifle, covenant carbine, and storm rifle damage by 5%.

> Knowing how Reach’s and ODST’s music compares to the main trilogy… Heck knowing H3 is a compilation of H2 and CE but H2 and CE are barely alike in musical tone… I don’t think you dislike H4’s music, or think it’s weak. I<mark>t’s likely that changes is something that takes you time to get used to, but once used to that change, you don’t want to get used to another change… But you always do.</mark>
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> Overall the H4 music makes me think of H2 with its more ambiance music rather than direct CE feeling. Unlike H2, I am not reminded of the ambiance coming from an elevator but it instead is coming from a summer blockbuster title. If I had to choose, I’ll not take the elevator and that at least makes me happy, if it doesn’t make me super hyped like CE’s music did for its moments.
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> Example: the Shortbow run’s music not focusing but instead observational on Midnight.

But it shouldnt be that way, that eventually it’s not going to matter, the first time i heard the lone wolf theme from Reach i was like, “OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!” And my ears were like, “Shut up and play that song again!”

And i STILL scream OOOOOHHH!!! When i hear that song now cause it STILL kicks butt.

You should never excuse something by saying that “eventually getting used to it.” You should make stuff that is going to get people screaming," OOOOOOOOOOH!!!" So they greet it with open ears from the start.

Whilst I agree with your post the comments you have actually make it sound like 343 will listen ? Im sorry but I dont see 343 listening to the long time halo players and I think it will be the casuals that get the say.

What 343 dont realise is that the casual players play for an hour here maybe this week maybe the next whereas the true halo fan will be playing all day and night every single day. Its us that continue to make this game what it is and yet its us that wont get listened too.

> Nope. <mark>Reach is garbage.</mark> Only the trilogy deserves to be called Halo.

Right… because your opinion on Halo Reach is a fact?

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Reach was a pile of -Yoink- and Halo 4 is a flaming pile of -Yoink-.

> > Nope. <mark>Reach is garbage.</mark> Only the trilogy deserves to be called Halo.
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> Right… because your opinion on Halo Reach is a fact?

Yup.

I like how Halo 4 has a lot of Muslim music. The jazz from Halo ODST made me feel like I was watching an episode of Homeland. And I don’t remember any specific music from Halo 1-3 or Reach except for the electric guitar shrieking of Halo 2’s theme song.

In short, Halo 4 has sweet music. The song from the last campaign level is so epic and heroic, it actually improves how I play.

> Nope. Reach is garbage. Only the trilogy deserves to be called Halo.

I’ll second this. Reach began the downward spiral of Halo. It will be interesting to see how far it stoops to. I will say that Reach overall is better than Halo 4 so far, but that’s not saying much.

I personally think that you have to remember that halo reach is kinda like ODST. Ok your still spartans but your not master chief and your not a spartan 2, therefore reach like ODST is more of a spin off game, take that into context with halo 4 which is suppposed to be an all out halo game and fails epicly. Not to meantion the crazy amount of floors the game had and still has apon release.

You only like Reach the most because it was the first Halo game you played.