I applaud 343 for fixing BTB in Halo 5

i can’t believe I’m saying this, but thank you, 343, for finally making BTB right again.

When BTB launched for Halo 5, it was a complete disaster. The maps were atrocious, the spawn-killing was real, and the sniping and long-range combat was infuriating. But now, it seems BTB is back to what it should be.

The new and resesigned maps make all of the difference.

Locations of strongholds were moved to more appropriate areas.

Implemented legendary weapons into the maps so everyone can get their hands on them.

Gameplay finally feels balanced between long-range and close-range combat.

Grpahical improvements are definitely noticeable. Good job on that.

Overall, the whole new redesigned mode is spectacular. Thanks for fixing it, BTB is one of my most beloved playlists.

Hey someone who actually pays attention to the maps. And yes I too am mostly positive on the player feedback changes to the older btb maps.

You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.

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> You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.

And you shouldn’t have to tell people such things if they want to do so.

They didn’t have to adjust anything, after all, nor coordinate with the Forge community to get these changes done.

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> You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.

If that were true, should I not thank firefighters for saving hundreds of thousands of lives? Should I not thank the police for protecting us? Should I not thank our military for keeping our nation safe?

Well, to be fair to the original BTB maps, those guys were unfamiliar with halo 5 compared to now.

You’re thanking them for fixing what they screwed up to begin with

that would be like me damaging your car and then you thanking me when I pay for the damages

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> If that were true, should I not thank firefighters for saving hundreds of thousands of lives? Should I not thank the police for protecting us? Should I not thank our military for keeping our nation safe?

Firefighters and game developers are two very different things, Firefighters save lives and its a very dangerous job, in fact my cousin is a firefighter and he’d be insulted if he knew you made this comparison. I shouldn’t even have to continue this, but… Its 343s job to fix their game, we shouldn’t thank them for much really. They drip feed content and focus more on reqs than quality content, if that doesn’t tell you where their priorities are I don’t know what will.

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> You’re thanking them for fixing what they screwed up to begin with
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> that would be like me damaging your car and then you thanking me when I pay for the damages

They could have not fixed it and just left it. Like some other games out there.

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> And you shouldn’t have to tell people such things if they want to do so.
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> They didn’t have to adjust anything, after all, nor coordinate with the Forge community to get these changes done.

Oh but they did have to coordinate with the Forge community, 343 has to listen now more than ever, they keep losing players and they’re trying to get them back. They only way they’ll get players back is by doing what they want, to a degree and its these little things that make people forget about all the bad they’ve done and continue to do. Of course that’s only opinion based but it’s a fairly common opinion and that’s just on the forums, not to mention the people that have that opinion thet don’t even come to the forums).

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> > > You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.
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> > And you shouldn’t have to tell people such things if they want to do so.
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> > They didn’t have to adjust anything, after all, nor coordinate with the Forge community to get these changes done.
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> Oh but they did have to coordinate with the Forge community, 343 has to listen now more than ever, they keep losing players and they’re trying to get them back. They only way they’ll get players back is by doing what they want, to a degree and its these little things that make people forget about all the bad they’ve done and continue to do. Of course that’s only opinion based but it’s a fairly common opinion and that’s just on the forums, not to mention the people that have that opinion thet don’t even come to the forums).

Ok not true. No one knows this or that. We can only strongly assume. Unless someone was to personally go and take a survey of every single person that has played and is playing, and they told the truth and gave a full personal description will we finally have an idea. Then someone needs to go through all that. yada yada yada.
Point is everythings an opinion, people express differently. This generalized opinions dont help and create unnecessary strife.
Sorry just tired of people making claims.

Now if they can only manage to make real maps for BTB instead of relying on the Forge Community…

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> They could have not fixed it and just left it. Like some other games out there.

So we have lower our standsrds because other games don’t fix their game? No. The way other games handle this is none of our bussiness, we don’t care. What we do care about is how 343i handles Halo. And be critical about it. If they’re praised for cleaning up their own mess they’ll onky get lazier and lazier.

Recurve went from my least favourite to my favourite map in that play list just because it lets me play with the CE Magnum which is extremely rare in Warzone. Just staying there in capture the flag defending that part of the map with a mini-sniper is so much fun. Really do like these changes.

I’m just happy we have Valhalla back! There’s a couple of important changes they still need to make to perfect the experience however, notably changing starts to Magnum/AR.

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The amount of Stockholm Syndrome amongst the Halo playerbase these days is astonishing.

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> > You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.
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> If that were true, should I not thank firefighters for saving hundreds of thousands of lives? Should I not thank the police for protecting us? Should I not thank our military for keeping our nation safe?

But in this case the firefighters started the fire, the police started the crime and the military started the war.

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> > that would be like me damaging your car and then you thanking me when I pay for the damages
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> They could have not fixed it and just left it. Like some other games out there.

Like MCC?

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> > They could have not fixed it and just left it. Like some other games out there.
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Ugh. It had such great potential and 343 totally blew it.

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> > > > You shouldn’t have to thank them for doing the job they were paid for.
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> > > And you shouldn’t have to tell people such things if they want to do so.
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> > > They didn’t have to adjust anything, after all, nor coordinate with the Forge community to get these changes done.
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> > Oh but they did have to coordinate with the Forge community, 343 has to listen now more than ever, they keep losing players and they’re trying to get them back. They only way they’ll get players back is by doing what they want, to a degree and its these little things that make people forget about all the bad they’ve done and continue to do. Of course that’s only opinion based but it’s a fairly common opinion and that’s just on the forums, not to mention the people that have that opinion thet don’t even come to the forums).
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> Ok not true. No one knows this or that. We can only strongly assume. Unless someone was to personally go and take a survey of every single person that has played and is playing, and they told the truth and gave a full personal description will we finally have an idea. Then someone needs to go through all that. yada yada yada.
> Point is everythings an opinion, people express differently. This generalized opinions dont help and create unnecessary strife.
> Sorry just tired of people making claims.

We may not have an exact number, but based off other games (Battlefront mostly), we can get a rough idea of what the population is and its fairly low for a Halo game. There is a reason 343 won’t put a population counter in H5, hell they even took it out of H4 because people kept pointing out the low population.