I am Tired of Seeing "TU Sucks!"

Games Other Halo
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Know why? Because anyone who states that the Title Update is worse than Vanilla Reach is wrong. Go ahead and play the “That’s your opinion!” card. You know who had an opinion? Galileo. He thought that the earth traveled around the sun. They told him “No, that’s your opinion.” Well, he was right, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sometimes, opinions are right, and sometimes they are wrong. Period.

In this case, the “opinion” that TU Reach is bad is WRONG.

Let’s break this down.

1. BLOOM

Go ahead and give this a read. I’ll wait.

Conclusion? 85% bloom is better. Hands down. If you’re going to have bloom, 85% is more consistent and better upholds the idea that pacing>spamming. This is MATH and SCIENCE, folks. There is no disputing this.

If you think 100% bloom is better…You’re WRONG.

2. Bleed-through.

I can’t believe I have to explain this one, but I do. In Pre-TU, shooting had absolutely no effect on melee fights. You could put as many bullets as you want into someone, but the second they got up to you with even a sliver of shields left…It was all mutual from there. None of the prior combat mattered. With sprint, this was pretty much a game-breaker.

With bleed-through getting introduced, shooting now had SOME effect on a melee fight. By doing this, 343 has encouraged the use of guns rather than fists in a CQC fight…Which was the entire point to begin with.

If you honestly think that Double-Beatdown land is better than having your shots MATTER…You’re WRONG.

3. Armor Lock

This one is so damn obvious. In Vanilla, Armor Lock is a 6 second “TIME OUT!” button. During that time, you have absolutely no options available to you other than waiting. In an FPS…That’s unacceptable.

In the TU, they smartly give you the option to force the player out of lock with a few grenades, or a heavy weapon. This means that AL is now used for its intended purpose: To block a single burst of heavy incoming fire. It can allow you to survive ONE rocket, or ONE tank shot…Not 3 or 4. And if someone stupidly pops lock in front of you in a 1v1 fight, throw your grenades and you’ll have him back on the ropes.

Armor Lock got balanced, not broken, in the TU. If you think Vanilla Armor Lock is balanced…You’re WRONG.

4. Camo

Pretty simple: You can’t sit in one spot, totally camouflaged for 45 seconds anymore. Boo hoo. Camo snipers? Solved that problem. Vanilla Camo was a powerup you spawned with. Not balanced. Not good.

If you really thought that spawning with a powerup was a good idea…You’re WRONG.

Those are all the big changes that the TU made to multiplayer. If you want to bring up more, then I’m sure I can refute it, because 343 knew what they were doing with this update. They knew that they were improving and fixing a very messy game. They knew, with all their experience and insight, that Reach was not working as it was supposed to. So what did they do? They fixed it.

The Title Update takes everything that Reach was supposed to be and realizes it. Pacing is now a better strategy than spamming. CQC is no longer a button mashing spamfest. Armor Lock is no longer overpowered. Camo is now an ability, not a powerup. These are facts. These are realities. If you honestly think that the TU is not an improvement on Reach’s core mechanics…

Guess what?

You. Are. Wrong.

Shameful Edit: I mixed up Galileo and Christopher Columbus. Fixed for clarity. My point still stands.

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No one is wrong, we are ALL entitled to OUR own OPINIONS, this is your opinion and many people will disagree with it, just like you disagree with others are saying.

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I just wish there weren’t so many griefers on this forum. It is fine if there is constructive criticism, but all of the “x” sucks I don’t like mentality on the forums is mentality.

Ultimately, I feel that the TU did a good job of doing what they could to try and please everyone. After all, they do take the communities input as much as possible, but if they took in everything everyone wanted, the game could be broken, and eventually be a completely different game from what it was intended to be.

This however, is an opinion, like Little Moa said, everyone is entitled to one here.

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I disagree with the change to bloom and bleedthrough.

85% bloom feels better, right? Well that’s because you can spam and be more accurate. There’s no such thing as ‘pacing’ anymore with 85% bloom. Your reticle resets faster, therefore you fire faster. Therefore, the whole reason the main precision weapon in Halo was messed up at the launch of this game goes out the window. Ergo, it should have just had a static Rate of Fire to begin with.

I love the NR with headshot bleedthrough, but other than that the shield mechanics in Reach are very much inconsistent. Because of the way they flare it’s difficult to tell when an enemy will be able to die from a melee or headshot. Also, TU screws over Elites and negates their extra shielding.

Reach needed a TU, but I don’t think 343 did it correctly. The weapons needed rate of fire caps and zero bloom like they’ve always been.

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> Know why? Because anyone who states that the Title Update is worse than Vanilla Reach is wrong. Go ahead and play the “That’s your opinion!” card. You know who had an opinion? Galileo. He thought that the earth traveled around the sun. They told him “No, that’s your opinion.” Well, he was right, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sometimes, opinions are right, and sometimes they are wrong. Period.

Only that wasn’t his opinion. It was a scientific fact.

> In this case, the “opinion” that TU Reach is bad is WRONG.

I think parts of the TU are bad.

> If you think 100% bloom is better…You’re WRONG.

100% bloom is better in that the automatics have a better fighting chance. While 85% improves the precision weapons, it unbalances the sandbox.

> By doing this [bleedthrough], 343 has encouraged the use of guns rather than fists in a CQC fight…Which was the entire point to begin with.

I find the opposite. It encourages rushing your target for a quick and easy beatdown after you pop a few rounds into them aka AR Deathcharge or in Reach: Magnum Deathcharge. I found players staying back, strafing, jumping and maintaining distance in Reach. Something I never saw in H3. Meanwhile the problem of sprinting double pummelers? A very rare occurance.

> You. Are. Wrong.

Nope.

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> Know why? Because anyone who states that the Title Update is worse than Vanilla Reach is wrong. Go ahead and play the “That’s your opinion!” card. You know who had an opinion? Galileo. He thought that the earth traveled around the sun. They told him “No, that’s your opinion.” Well, he was right, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sometimes, opinions are right, and sometimes they are wrong. Period.
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> In this case, the “opinion” that TU Reach is bad is WRONG.

galileo didn’t have an opinion, he had an idea, the idea that the earth revolved around the sun instead of the sun revolving around the earth.

an opinion is niether correct or incorrect, an opinion is just a person thoughts and views on a matter, nothing more and nothing less, though, an opinion can be ignorant i think.

again i see people supporting bleed through because of melee, what about the weapons?

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Time Glitch. I love you.
You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.

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> Time Glitch. I love you.
> You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.

you actually agree with the idea that if someone doesn’t agree with you then they’re wrong?

coca, i thought you were better then that.

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> this thread is art.

Weapon bleedthrough is perfect. It promotes headshotting as opposed to body shots.

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> > Time Glitch. I love you.
> > You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.
>
> you actually agree with the idea that if someone doesn’t agree with you then they’re wrong?

If it is supported by factual evidence, yes.

The sky being blue is just your opinion.

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> > Time Glitch. I love you.
> > You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.
>
> you actually agree with the idea that if someone doesn’t agree with you then they’re wrong?
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> coca, i thought you were better then that.

No I just agree that all the title update changes were intended, right and for the better. Michelangelol

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> > this thread is art.
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> Weapon bleedthrough is perfect. It promotes headshotting as opposed to body shots.

This would be true if it was consistent.

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> > > Time Glitch. I love you.
> > > You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.
> >
> > you actually agree with the idea that if someone doesn’t agree with you then they’re wrong?
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> If it is supported by factual evidence, yes.

the only thing that he mentioned that had evidence was bloom, the rest is just his opinion and he is calling everyone who thinks otherwise wrong.

> The sky being blue is just your opinion.

what if the person saying otherwise is color blind but doesn’t realize he is color blind?

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> > > this thread is art.
> >
> > Weapon bleedthrough is perfect. It promotes headshotting as opposed to body shots.
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> This would be true if it was consistent.

To quote one of my favorite forum users:
“If you aim for the head, you will always kill in the least amount of shots.”

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> > > Time Glitch. I love you.
> > > You expressed my exact feelings this thread is art.
> >
> > you actually agree with the idea that if someone doesn’t agree with you then they’re wrong?
> >
> > coca, i thought you were better then that.
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> No I just agree that all the title update changes were intended, right and for the better. Michelangelol

well obviously the changes were intended and intended for the better, but, if they actually made the game better or not is purely opinion at the moment.

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> > No one is wrong, we are ALL entitled to OUR own OPINIONS, this is your opinion and many people will disagree with it, just like you disagree with others are saying.
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> -Yoink!- was of the opinion that all the Jews should be killed. Was he entitled to his opinions?
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> No. Sometimes people are WRONG. And yes, supporters of Vanilla Reach are WRONG. I outlined it all in my post. Every point I make is backed up by FACTS. Not OPINIONS.
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> FACTS.
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> If you deny that 85% bloom better enforces pacing>spamming, think that Double Beatdowns are better than Bleed-through, think that Armor Lock was honesty better Pre-TU, and that Camo was not overpowered Pre-TU…You’re in what we like to call DENIAL.

I prefer Vanilla Reach, that is my opinion.

You can’t compare game mechanics to a man who hate hatred towards a certain type of people, that’s just a silly comparison.

As I said everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are in the wrong in others opinion.

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> > No one is wrong, we are ALL entitled to OUR own OPINIONS, this is your opinion and many people will disagree with it, just like you disagree with others are saying.
>
> -Yoink!- was of the opinion that all the Jews should be killed. Was he entitled to his opinions?
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> No. Sometimes people are WRONG. And yes, supporters of Vanilla Reach are WRONG. I outlined it all in my post. Every point I make is backed up by FACTS. Not OPINIONS.
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> FACTS.
>
> If you deny that 85% bloom better enforces pacing>spamming, think that Double Beatdowns are better than Bleed-through, think that Armor Lock was honesty better Pre-TU, and that Camo was not overpowered Pre-TU…You’re in what we like to call DENIAL.

Marry Me.

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> > No one is wrong, we are ALL entitled to OUR own OPINIONS, this is your opinion and many people will disagree with it, just like you disagree with others are saying.
>
> -Yoink!- was of the opinion that all the Jews should be killed. Was he entitled to his opinions?
>
> No. Sometimes people are WRONG. And yes, supporters of Vanilla Reach are WRONG. I outlined it all in my post. Every point I make is backed up by FACTS. Not OPINIONS.
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> FACTS.
>
> If you deny that 85% bloom better enforces pacing>spamming, think that Double Beatdowns are better than Bleed-through, think that Armor Lock was honesty better Pre-TU, and that Camo was not overpowered Pre-TU…You’re in what we like to call DENIAL.

It’s still your opinion. It’s your opinion that -Yoink!- was wrong. It’s your opinion that the TU is the best thing ever and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. See the pattern? Your opinion doesn’t equate to fact.

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> -Yoink!- was of the opinion that all the Jews should be killed. Was he entitled to his opinions?

This thread has now Godwined itself.