To clarify, I’m not a 343 or Bungie fanboy and I’m not trying to start a Bungie VS 343 war. Both companies have undeniably made huge flaws in many different ways, and I choose to interpret both companies as equals in this topic thread. I’m here to talk about this community and one way it’s very flawed. This honestly bothers me the most out of everything wrong with Halo and it’s community as of late. It’s how some people stop playing Halo because of such and such reasons, and proceed to play and worship other games that suffer from those problems ever worse than the Halo game that made them leave.
Especially people who leave Halo 5 to go on to Destiny (no words need to be spoken in how flawed that is), and Battlefield 1 (a game with half as many playlists that aren’t even fun). Battlefield games are impressive in the feat that they have giant 64 player games, but since the maps are so huge, you spend 90% of the game sprinting in order to find ANYONE, and chances are you’ll stumble onto one of your enemy’s nearly indestructible tanks and vehicles. Not only that, but Battlefield 1 also suffers from a huge multiplayer glitch, that whenever you join a game 60% of the time you get a black screen with only your cursor visible for the rest of the game (meaning you can only play 40% of your multiplayer games).
I understand that some people prefer Battlefield gameplay, but when people leave Halo for it for the wrong reasons (the excuse that Halo 5 suffers from bugs and little playlists) it honestly just really really bothers me. I’m not saying I like Halo 5 or that it’s “the best game ever” or anything, I’m just saying that maybe the game isn’t the only problem within this community. What do you think? Do you disagree? Do you think this is or isn’t hypocrisy? What other ways do you think the Halo community is flawed? I’d love to hear your thoughts and opinions.
Again, I’m not making this to start arguments and wars, I’m trying to break down the problems in this community and attempting to help fix them so this community doesn’t turn as toxic as the CS:GO community.
The current state of Halo isn’t the community’s fault at all. 343 just has made to many mistakes for most gamers so they move on. They can’t find that good middle ground for Halo. H4 was super casual and you could max out the game in like a month or two. Then came MCC arguably the biggest botch release on Xbox one and possibly of all time. Then finally comes H5 were 343 said fine H4 to casual for you we will make H5 super competitive with super long grinds for rp and xp. Also H5 isn’t exactly the most stable game either. 343 hasn’t made a 100% functional game on Xbox one yet. Don’t get me wrong I love Halo and have a real passion for it but I don’t blame gamers for leaving the series.
I understand where you are coming from and agree to a point. It seems like a double edge sword anymore when it comes to games from what I’ve seen. People want something new and innovative but then always refer to how great Halo 3 was/is (it’s was a great game). So should 343 go brave and add new ideas/mechanics which could bring bugs, things people don’t like, or do they stick with what works. If they do the later then I feel like people would still leave and say the game is boring and they could just play Reach or Halo 3 instead of paying for a new game.
One thing that I have witnessed which shocked me and brought hope was this. While watching some of the pro streamers the other night, a 343 rep joined their party and they discussed what’s good, bad, ugly, and what should be tried. They discussed weapon placement, spawns, weapons that are too powerful, matchmaking, and other things like that. Again I though it was cool to see they are actively reaching to the community for suggestions and opinions. There will always be room for improvement and mistakes made when trying new things. I personally just try to keep an open mind and remember that it could be worse lol.
I don’t see hypocrisy. Other games offer completely different experiences which is why they leave. Destiny is a PvE loot based rpgfps, battlefield focuses on large team battles with vehicles more based off objectives rather than outright slayer killing. CoD is an easy to pick up twitch shooter that is very rewarding, halo is an arena fps that was known for origressing each game. H2 after CE added more focus to custom games, add online match making. H3 added forge and further improved on custum games along with achievement based armor and more focus on customizing. Reach took forge and customs to a whole new level and experimented with abilities and different gameplay, and that is where much of halos current issues derive from as h4 never offered anything new after and continued on what reach did wrong, h5 fixed some of those issues but new issues were born such as game modes being late, forge being delayed, a campaign many don’t approve of, many bugs still being unmatched a year later, etc etc. you’re right that even bungles games had flaws, however they still progressed their games regardless of those flaws where as 343 can’t get past that wall, there’s always something going on that holds their games back.
i don’t see hypocrisy, I see justified reasons for their distaste for the current direction of the franchise, and it’s even further justified when each game loses millions of sales each release, that SAYS something’s not right with the product.
Not hypocrisy just disgruntlement. Like others, I don’t blame anyone for taking their well earned time and money to another franchise. There are very few of us who are able to look past all the issues with all of the 343 produced Halo’s, and still play this game day in and out.
The hypocrisy in the community is not the problem of this community. People can leave for whatever reason they want, I don’t give a blam. The splintering of the community is the big issue. Call me a Bungie fanboy all you like, they had flaws but they stuck to the formula of what made a Halo game great and that in turn lead to Halo being one of the strongest, most passionate fanbases of any game up until 2010. Bungie started the ripple by introducing the armor abilities like sprint and armor lock into Reach. After Bungie left to become another one of Activision’s bltches, 343 was sectioned off of Microsoft to make new Halo games. 343i’s mistake was placing more enthesis on the word “new” instead of “Halo” and the community split in half after Halo 4. We as a fanbase have never been able to recover and we may never. Not until the Bungie fanboys and the 343 fanboys and the people who don’t really care can come together, solve their differences, and learn to keep their preferences of companies to themselves. We’re stuck with 343 at least until Halo 6, and 2020 is probably the year Microsoft will switch them out for someone better if they don’t improve. We should be communicating our problems with them calmly instead of screaming that we want them gone for messing up so hilariously.
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> The current state of Halo isn’t the community’s fault at all. 343 just has made to many mistakes for most gamers so they move on. They can’t find that good middle ground for Halo. H4 was super casual and you could max out the game in like a month or two. Then came MCC arguably the biggest botch release on Xbox one and possibly of all time. Then finally comes H5 were 343 said fine H4 to casual for you we will make H5 super competitive with super long grinds for rp and xp. Also H5 isn’t exactly the most stable game either. 343 hasn’t made a 100% functional game on Xbox one yet. Don’t get me wrong I love Halo and have a real passion for it but I don’t blame gamers for leaving the series.
I think this pretty much sums it up.
If Halo 5 launched how it is today, I think it would be been at least somewhat different. Making Halo competitive again I think was one of the smartest things 343I did, it certainly has made me want to play halo again and many others I know of too, but they ignored social playlists which was a huge mistake. They were hoping everyone would just play there new warzone, they were wrong. Them also changing things for the shake of change (Look of rockets, ADS style zooming animation etc.) doesn’t help things either. Halo 5 does a lot of things right, but it also did a lot of things wrong I feel.
It’s no coincidence that majority of fans like the look, feel, sounds of the H2BR over the H5BR, or how they’re happy how a ranking system is back (it has it’s fault, but still) but still ask for military style rank names, or how people love the new clear Halo 3 style set up of Ranked, Social and Warzone much more then how it was before. 343I needs to remember the lines “less and is more” and “if it’s not broke, don’t fix it” If they do, I honestly think halo 6 will be ONE of the best halos since H2/3 if they remember this.
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> The hypocrisy in the community is not the problem of this community. People can leave for whatever reason they want, I don’t give a blam. The splintering of the community is the big issue. Call me a Bungie fanboy all you like, they had flaws but they stuck to the formula of what made a Halo game great and that in turn lead to Halo being one of the strongest, most passionate fanbases of any game up until 2010. Bungie started the ripple by introducing the armor abilities like sprint and armor lock into Reach. After Bungie left to become another one of Activision’s bltches, 343 was sectioned off of Microsoft to make new Halo games. 343i’s mistake was placing more enthesis on the word “new” instead of “Halo” and the community split in half after Halo 4. We as a fanbase have never been able to recover and we may never. Not until the Bungie fanboys and the 343 fanboys and the people who don’t really care can come together, solve their differences, and learn to keep their preferences of companies to themselves. We’re stuck with 343 at least until Halo 6, and 2020 is probably the year Microsoft will switch them out for someone better if they don’t improve. We should be communicating our problems with them calmly instead of screaming that we want them gone for messing up so hilariously.
YES YES YES!! This is exactly the thing I was looking for! I fully agree, and I think I have an interesting idea on how exactly to express our combined thoughts as a community to 343 the best way we can to make the perfect Halo 6. I think we should make a series of polls to find out what specific aspects people want as a community, and relay that information as a community to 343i instead of screaming “we want Bungie back 343 sucks!”.