This has all the hallmarks of the meme where guy who shoves the stick into the spokes of his bicycle and blames someone else.
It’s ok to take it easy or pace yourself
Aren’t these all data points they can use too to change it for the better?
There are very few ways to unlock cosmetics in this game without spending money currently. Kind of silly to expect players who are trying to do everything for free to just give up on their free weekly cosmetic just to show the devs that some of their weekly challenges are too hard. I’m sure they are able to get th message just from the angry forum posts, angry reddit posts, angry messages on their twitters, and their own analytics which will no doubt give them the number of people who actually complete each weekly challenge within the randomization pool, so that they know which ones are being swapped the most or just not done the most.
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Therein lies the problem, players have completely made it their mission to ignore why they downloaded this title in the first place, instead replacing it with some sense of FOMO/OCD grindfest mentality. It’s sad actually, constructive posts calling attention to actual problems getting buried over tired overstated posts about completely optional cosmetics.
Nobody has to approach this title like a grindy experience, it’s entirely possible to get your weeklies done and have fun simultaneously.
There are parameters and rules within every single facet of customer service.
The laser tag arena tells me I can’t run, so I don’t run. Taco Bell says I can’t sit on the table, I don’t sit on the table. Corsair says they can’t honor my warranty because I purchased my keyboard second hand, that’s out of my control.
There are parameters and walls in this product too, and some people can’t stand that. Nobody likes being limited, and it’s ok to speak out (which players did and change was implemented), but it’s getting out of hand. Optional cosmetics and grindy challenge systems are not why players hopped on the Halo Infinite train, but given the immense and overstated outcry you’d be properly fooled into thinking it was.
Collecting the data and analyzing it, then coming to the conclusion that people are intentionally playing badly for the sake of challenges seems like a bit of a stretch.
Seeing that X% of players got the challenge of getting 10 shade turret kills will be really easy to see. I don’t know about you, but I never want to see that challenge.
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Have you ever analyzed data? You don’t look at stats in a vacuum. You combine them in different ways to see how it affects the results. It takes work. You don’t just go “wow people love shade turret challenges look at its completion rate!” I expect 343 is more educated with statistics than that.
Honestly, no offense to you. I just don’t think you’re right.
I also want to add as an aside. Have you used double xp yet? Telling people to not do those things listed actively goes against an effective use of the double xp, which some people paid real money for. It’s easier to tell people not to do that when you don’t have money on the line.
I have done some data analysis when I was in college. I certainly am not trying to make myself out to be an expert though. But, I’ve done enough to understand how complicated it can get which is why I’m sceptical that 343 would be able to clearly see which challenges are damaging to player behavior.
I’m glad you have confidence in 343’s abilities, and hopefully you’re right.
Does 343 employ or outsource any data analysts? I don’t know for sure, but I imagine the ones driving this bus right now are software developers and business majors that only took an undergraduate/prerequisite statistics class.
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Ok. I based my incorrect assumption that you had no experience because you only assumed they would look at one data point. I don’t claim to be an expert either, but I know it’s more complicated than that like you do.
I think spoken feedback combined with the data will speak enough about the problems with the system and I think altering our behaviors will actually go against our cause rather than reveal the flaws.
Either way we’ll have to see what happens. Thanks for the topic anyways.
343 is working on it. A lot of you are quick to point the finger at them when -Yoink!- (Microsoft) is calling the shots. They clearly are the ones who wanted a f2p cash cow.
You all voted with your $$$ buying call of money every year for the last decade. And this is the business model that game uses. So that’s the style of game ms wants
Say what you will about halo 5. I thought it was an amazing multiplayer experience. Most didnt like it. That’s cool it was different. But 1 thing you cant deny is that when it launched enhanced movement games were the rage with titanfall and call of duty and halo 5 destroyed them in that niche genre.
Halo infinite will do the same for f2p itll just take time