So we just heard the story of John’s flash clone
That’s what it sounds like. Because the man was talking about how John was 12 when he started to box. At first I thought it didn’t make any sense, until I heard Benjamin at the end found a document stating John died when he was six. I got to say though, that Starry Night reference was AWESOME!
I knew it, we’re just getting a rehash of the ONI conspiracy/kidnapping story angle. We already knew all that, so thus far there isn’t much to commend about this ARG. Clever Starry Night reference, though.
It’s not John’s clone, it’s a made-up story.
John’s clone died at age six. The interviewees are lying and saying that insurrectionists kidnapped him in 2524, which may explain why John decided to fight against the insurrectionists and then the Covenant.
ONI wants justifications for the S-II program and they also cover up the kidnappings.
If we remember from Scanned John was taken and the flash clone be given was immediate. Meaning the flash clone died at age 6. So who in the hell is Playing KOTH and Boxing?
ONI has to have planted the interviews saying when he was 12. Benjamin probably took the job of finding out about Chief quite excited, but now he’s seems to be quite disturbed that there are already inconsistencies.
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> It’s not John’s clone, it’s a made-up story.
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> John’s clone died at age six. The interviewees are lying and saying that insurrectionists kidnapped him in 2524, which may explain why John decided to fight against the insurrectionists and then the Covenant.
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> ONI wants justifications for the S-II program and they also cover up the kidnappings.
It could simply mean that 343i have decided to ignore clone!John’s death at age six from “Palace Hotel”. The 2552 portion of the story is semi-canon at best so retconning the backstory as well isn’t out of the question. I’m okay with “Palace Hotel” being tossed aside - It’s the only part of Evolutions I don’t like - but discarding older material just because is poor form. I would much prefer it if the next episode clarified the discrepancy.
As for Hunt the Truth being ONI misinformation, I like to think that isn’t the case. 343i know by now how much fans hate the Travissian approach to the SPARTAN-II program, what with Halsey deconstructing it in Escalation #16. Hopefully Giraud’s truth is the truth.
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> It could simply mean that 343i have decided to ignore clone!John’s death at age six from “Palace Hotel”. The 2552 portion of the story is semi-canon at best so retconning the backstory as well isn’t out of the question. I’m okay with “Palace Hotel” being tossed aside - It’s the only part of Evolutions I don’t like - but discarding older material just because is poor form. I would much prefer it if the next episode clarified the discrepancy.
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> As for Hunt the Truth being ONI misinformation, I like to think that isn’t the case. 343i know by now how much fans hate the Travissian approach to the SPARTAN-II program, what with Halsey deconstructing it in Escalation #16. Hopefully Giraud’s truth is the truth.
I don’t see how HtT being ONI misinfo somehow validates Traviss. I feel that, especially with Nightfall and Escalation, 343i has been really hinting that ONI is truly no good. The instance with the Jackel base showed ONI was willing to lie to achieve their goal, so why couldn’t they hire a plant to lie in an interview for their benefit? They’re the space CIA, we aren’t supposed to like or agree with them.
From what I’ve understood, Giraud finally found the truth: John died when he was six, which implies the clone died in 2517.
The story about John when he was twelve sounded more like a paid interviewee or something. It sounded too much cliché, when the man was so distressed by his past and Giraud could feel his pain.
Also, John’s disappearance when he was twelve (in 2524) implied that he was abducted by insurrectionists, not that the clone died in 2524. The clone did die in 2517 or so.
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> From what I’ve understood, Giraud finally found the truth: John died when he was six, which implies the clone died in 2517.
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> The story about John when he was twelve sounded more like a paid interviewee or something. It sounded too much cliché, when the man was so distressed by his past and Giraud could feel his pain.
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> Also, John’s disappearance when he was twelve (in 2524) implied that he was abducted by insurrectionists, not that the clone died in 2524. The clone did die in 2517 or so.
Exactly. This is all misinfo to build up to a false story of Chief being brainwashed when he was “kidnapped” by the Innies when he was 12 (all made up lies by ONI) to blame him for something. That leads us to why Locke would be so pissed and want Chief.
Actually I think that the story about John’s abduction is here to whitewash the Spartan-II Program. Basically, it means that the insurrectionists were terrorizing the population of Eridanus II, and John was kidnapped and tortured, etc. So this experience made him want to become an extraordinary soldier and serve the UNSC, and fight for humanity against the insurrectionists and later the Covenant, or something along the line. So, officially, the Chief is not so powerful because he was trained by ONI as a child soldier, it’s because of a romanticized terrible childhood in the Outer Colonies. Might also justify the UNSC’s struggle against the insurrectionists.
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> Exactly. This is all misinfo to build up to a false story of Chief being brainwashed when he was “kidnapped” by the Innies when he was 12 (all made up lies by ONI) to blame him for something. That leads us to why Locke would be so pissed and want Chief.
Locke is completely calm when he speaks with the Thel, so I don’t think that’s the case. His anger seems to have been caused by recent events. It’s obvious that a battle is/has taken place in the area Lock and John are in, so it appears Locke blames John for the destruction.
I think the H2A cinematic takes place before today’s trailers. Locke was still pretty neutral about Chief. Then… who knows what happened.
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> I think the H2A cinematic takes place before today’s trailers. Locke was still pretty neutral about Chief. Then… who knows what happened.
Maybe at first he sees this a special assignment then as the hunt goes on, he becomes more emotionally involved.
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Or he was lying to the Arbiter and playing it cool. Maybe he was manipulating him to further his goals. That could explain the compromises Chief refers to in his trailer.
How did this go from talking about HtT episode 1 to the trailers?
Anyway…
This is a coverup. Everyone Ben interviews are plants. And here’s my reasoning (aka proof):
Nothing so far has contradicted any previous lore. The people being interviewed are plants feeding Ben false information. Dion (who is a teacher) is obviously a plant because he “remembers” John at the age of 12 which is impossible because John was kidnapped at 6 and replaced with a clone that dies (via drowning) when it is 6 or 7. The story he tells is most likely based on John’s encounter with the three ODST’s after his augmentations. A less obvious give away that Dion is a plant, like Astronut7 said, is that his final line in the interview, when you know that it’s a coverup, sounds horribly scripted and canned. Ellie explaining her playing with John is also most likely a plant. When Ben tells her that John became the Master Chief, this information should have really confused her. If she was as good of a friend to John as it seemed, she’d know he died at 6 and be really confused that John grew up at all. I’m not sure about the Thomas with the story about the insurrectionists. He could go either way. His accounts of people disappearing and of the insurrectionists plays well into the story ONI is trying to sew about the Master Chief. It would have a lot less variables if ONI planted him, less likely to let something they didn’t want slip out.
As of the Kilo-Five trilogy, the only people cleared to see the Spartan’s files, containing the actual accounts of their origins, are the Spartans themselves, Black-Box, Osman, and Parangosky. Osman mentions that she wants to make it all public eventually, but the true story that Ben is after is classified and isn’t something they want out just yet. Of course they’d want to feed Ben all this BS. ONI doesn’t want the true origins of the Spartan program public.
This is nothing other than a cover-up.
The trailers are posted on HtT
All the interviewees being plants makes sense when given the context of the ‘episode 0’ sound file. He talks about it being a routine assignment until he starts questioning everything. THIS is that moment,
Since there’s like another…10 episodes I think? of this. I imagine the first couple will cover the basics that the harder lore fans will know, and then hopefully break some new ground.
So clone of John instead of being weaker, unlike all other clones of other Spartans II, somehow grew up normally (probably he was just lucky, just like real John) and has been kidnaped by insurectionists.
Here’s my theory: When Spartan IV program started ONI found John’s clone and thought he’s perfect to became another Master Chief. Except that he was brainwashed by innies several decades before, and eventually turned against UEG (like some other Spartans IV before him…). Man in new Halo 5 trailers isn’t real MC, but his clone.
I agree with what gorilla said above, it’s just ONI trying to cover up the crimes against humanity that were committed during the development of the Spartan 2’s and 3’s. Although I think that ONI may take the cover up/misinformation further with John after seeing those new trailers. Something very bad has happened.
And the cover up would have worked, if it hadn’t been for that 1 piece of paper that said John died at age 6…