Humans are really bad at this Reclaimer thing.

So the Librarian basically put the entire Forerunner Empire with all its technology and trillions of machines on standby mode and left the keys in the ignition. All humanity had to do was walk in and everything would be set to go. In fact some books even suggest that humans are pre-programmed by geas to naturally interact with Forerunner tech and innately understand it. Plus every installation has a helpful AI for them to make this transition easier.

Well we’ve done a pretty bad job of it so far despite the deck being stacked in our favor. :smiley:

Humans spent 30 years fighting the Covenant and yet were never able to bring this into play. The first time they encountered a major Forerunner site was in Halo Wars and they blew up the Fleet producing facility rather than take it over for themselves and win the war. This condemns countless billions of humans to death. All they had to do was chat to the AI, tell him to kill all the Covenant and then use the Fleet to win the war. That war only ends when one of those inferior species is kicked out of the Covenant and essentially wins the war for humanity.

After the war, even though the humans have had four full years to fully explore and gain access to these Forerunner systems they have made no progress in actually getting control of the technology. In fact in Halo 4 they get a load of their people composed and HW2 mentions marines getting accidentally disintegrated by sentinels on the Ark. Remember, the keys are in the ignition, all they have to do is turn them. This is why the Didact is disgusted at humanity when he says “if you haven’t mastered even these primitives (Covenant) then man has not attained the Mantle”. His disbelief shows how stupid humans have been that they haven’t made any real progress in opening an open door. The Didact is saying “How stupid to you have to be as a species.”.

However the Librarian clearly thought that humans might need just a little more help than they already had, so she made a map for them; the Janus Key. Which the humans managed to lose to the supposedly inferior species.

You then get to Halo 5. Now, you might be forgiven for thinking that this whole reclamation thing is difficult if you have played the games up to this point. Surely that explains why they haven’t done it yet? Well that kind of goes out the window when one AI does what the “chosen species” who have had the game rigged completely in their favor for thousands of years could not, and she does it in six months. So not only has humanity failed to achieve the Mantle, but they have now had stolen off them by their own AI. Even though the Librarian had Forerunner AI like Exuberant Witness who were left to safeguard the tools of the Reclamation for humanity.

I like to think humans should be able to forge their own path in the universe without having to be arbitrarily assigned the role of “reclaimers” by stuck-up, quite frankly foolish and conceited alien races from the past. Their tampering with humanity is frankly immoral, as is their idea of the “mantle of responsibility”.

If you ask me, the humans of the Halo universe should reject the idea of the mantle and destroy every piece of galaxy-killing Forerunner tech-lunacy they find.

But yeah, all the individual things you mentioned are pretty much the result of alien species -Yoinking!- around with us and trying to steal -Yoink- for themselves. The Forerunners probably could have done a better job of making sure the races of the future don’t find more than their fair share of Forerunner tech on their planets so they don’t get boosted beyond their designated “reclaimers” and then declare a genocidal holy war on them based on misguided beliefs.

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> I like to think humans should be able to forge their own path in the universe without having to be arbitrarily assigned the role of “reclaimers” by stuck-up, quite frankly foolish and conceited alien races from the past. Their tampering with humanity is frankly immoral, as is their idea of the “mantle of responsibility”.
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> If you ask me, the humans of the Halo universe should reject the idea of the mantle and destroy every piece of galaxy-killing Forerunner tech-lunacy they find.
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> But yeah, all the individual things you mentioned are pretty much the result of alien species -Yoinking!- around with us and trying to steal -Yoink- for themselves. The Forerunners probably could have done a better job of making sure the races of the future don’t find more than their fair share of Forerunner tech on their planets so they don’t get boosted beyond their designated “reclaimers” and then declare a genocidal holy war on them based on misguided beliefs.

I agree, it’s like if she Forerunners didn’t want the Prophets to take the Dreadnought and go to space, seeking Forerunner stuff, eventually leading to a pointless war with Humanity, why leave the Dreadnought there then and not Earth or somewhere near to it?

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> > But yeah, all the individual things you mentioned are pretty much the result of alien species -Yoinking!- around with us and trying to steal -Yoink- for themselves. The Forerunners probably could have done a better job of making sure the races of the future don’t find more than their fair share of Forerunner tech on their planets so they don’t get boosted beyond their designated “reclaimers” and then declare a genocidal holy war on them based on misguided beliefs.
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> I agree, it’s like if she Forerunners didn’t want the Prophets to take the Dreadnought and go to space, seeking Forerunner stuff, eventually leading to a pointless war with Humanity, why leave the Dreadnought there then and not Earth or somewhere near to it?

Yeah I mean when you think about it. The Forerunners went out of their way to engineer humanities ascension and gave them all of these advantages. Whereas the Elites and Prophets managed to become the dominant species in the galaxy for most of recorded history despite not having this level of support. They managed to reverse engineer Forerunner tech and become a space faring empire millennia before humanity did even though we’re supposed to be like 40k Orks and instinctively know how to use Forerunner Tech.

Basically the Elites actually earned the Mantle. Humanity simply got given it on a plate and still managed to lose it to toasters.

Why didn’t they take a leaf out of the reapers handbook and put the humans where the abandoned Forerunner tech was? In fact, if they were so determined that humans should hold the Mantle then why bother reseeding the galaxy with other sentient lifeforms? Why populate the galaxy with potential threats? Unless the Forerunners were that confident that the other species could never possibly come close to exterminating humanity (2 out of 3 ain’t bad :smiley: ) because they were the golden goose.

Elites and Prophets had Forerunner tech on their planet that they were capable of accessing, humanity only had the Ark Portal and it was buried and inaccessible. It’s not a surprise the Covenant were so advanced given they had thousands of years of a headstart while we were still probably hunter-gatherers. And it would seem not all humans have an instinctual handling of Forerunner tech as the Gammas and certain captures humans in Spartan Ops. I’d also say your analysis of Halo Wars is flawed given that just talking to the ancilla of the planet and taking the ships would be difficult given they were outnumbered by the Covenant and the Flood was loose.

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> If you ask me, the humans of the Halo universe should reject the idea of the mantle and destroy every piece of galaxy-killing Forerunner tech-lunacy they find.

This. I’m fairly certain that the “Reclaimer Saga” is actually about rejecting the Mantle. As we currently know it, the Mantle is a corrupted interpretation created by the Forerunner. That’s important to remember because the Precursors actually considered the Forerunners failures unworthy of the Mantle. So humanity would actually be heading down a path of failure if we were to follow in the Forerunner’s footsteps.

So when it’s said humans are crappy at the whole Mantle thing I say good! The Mantle is garbage. That’s what I like about Halo 5. We see both Chief and Locke acknowlge the flaws in such an ideal. It shows that humans like them can be the better people the Librarian hoped we would be. We must reject the Mantle and unite with our galactic neighbors. Only then would we be truly worthy.

If the ships were that powerful and Anders was all that was required to activate them from a central control point then it stands to reason that they could have used them to destroy the local Covenant forces. If the local Covenant forces were stronger and the fleet incapable of escaping the Shield World due to the Flood; well then there wouldn’t be anything at stake. That fleet has to have been powerful enough to destroy the local Covenant and escape from the Shield World.

343 have went as far as to say that one of the pillars of their games is about humanity and having faith in ourselves as a species. Because of this, when you have this notion that we are the chosen people, the Reclaimers and chosen by the Forerunners to be custodians of the galaxy; they’re probably being literal. In Halo 4 we have the Librarian wax lyrical about why humans were the greatest enemy of the Forerunners and were engineered for greatness. The culmination of centuries of planning. In both games the villains goal has been to stop humans claiming the Mantle.

It shouldn’t be that surprising. The idea of a chosen people is a very biblical theme and its used in a lot of sci-fi. Destiny for example has humanity chosen by the Traveller and half the factions you fight are simply unworthy aliens. So basically I do not think 343 is subverting the trope here.

“Your ascension may yet be prevented.” - Didact

“The Reclamation has begun. We are powerless to stop it.” -Didact

“The Mantle of Responsibility belongs to Cortana and the other Created. I will see it remains forever beyond your grasp.” - Warden

“The Mantle of Responsibility shelters all but only the Created are its masters.” - Cortana

In a story, if the villains are actively trying to prevent you achieving greatness and your potential then the subtext is usually that we are supposed to want what they don’t want us to have. Its part of beating the villains and overcoming them.

The philosophy of the Mantle itself is only attacked once in the games by the Chief. “The Didact made it clear the Mantle was an Imperial peace.” But in all other instances its implied that these are simply corruptions of the Mantle. The Librarian doesn’t say the Mantle is bad, she blames it on “my husbands madness”. Exuberant says that “I always thought the duty (which is a positive term) would fall to humans.” and argues that it is “madness” to have the AI in charge but not humanity. I mean if she didn’t approve of the Mantle/Reclaimers then she wouldn’t be helping the humans since thats the only reason Forerunner AI help humans. Meaning her earlier statement about the Mantle being “a forced peace”; is only describing what the villain is doing. So I think the Chiefs statement needs to be understood as a hero who doesn’t fully understand his destiny and role as the reclaimer. Meaning it isn’t the Mantle itself that is discredited.

Destiny is overrated. The Librarian is like an overbearing parent who wants their kid to be a Doctor, so she goes out of her way to ensure that happens. But what if the kid, (humanity), grows up and decides they don’t want to be a freakin’ Doctor?

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> Destiny is overrated. The Librarian is like an overbearing parent who wants their kid to be a Doctor, so she goes out of her way to ensure that happens. But what if the kid, (humanity), grows up and decides they don’t want to be a freakin’ Doctor?

I dunno. If they wanted to go down that road then I don’t think they would have portrayed her the way they did in Halo 4. The earnest Lady in the Lake type character giving us the tools we need to fulfill our destiny. This applies to Spartan Ops as well with the Janus Key.

The only characters who have said “The Librarian was wrong” are the Didact and the Warden. Villains.

So in the games I have never had the impression that humanity seeking this destiny is wrong.

Plus several key aspects of that storyline are missing. If you wanted to show that “humans should not claim the Mantle”, then we would be provided with reasons and humanity would be shown making mistakes in trying to seek the Mantle for itself. It wouldn’t be much of a journey of self discovery if they just point at the Forerunners and Created and go “nope”. It would be humanity claiming the Mantle and failing; not the AI. So I think the plot is very much set up so that we are meant to want humans to take back the Mantle and put the AI back in their place. If the AI and Forerunners fail in holding the Mantle then that’s only intended to validate why humans should have it.

I think 343i want to have their cake and then eat it. They want to put humanity on a pedestal with this nonsense about reclaiming the Mantle, whilst at the same time portraying humans as the underdog with significant levels of bitterness and xenophobia towards others following the war. I noticed this problem with Halo’s narrative back in 2011 following the release of Glasslands, where we were reading about malicious plots to destabilize allied powers and plots of genocide against a whole species, whilst being told by Halo 4 to bear in mind that humans are the rightful heirs to the Mantle. Yeah, that’s one hell of a dissonance that you just can’t gloss over and to this day it remains, stronger than ever. It’s a conflict between what 343i wants out of the Halo story, and what the realities of the Halo story are.

There’s also a conflict between what they want out of the Halo story, and what the realities of storytelling itself are. I think stories tend to work best when the protagonists are the underdogs fighting to overcome the stronger villains. The problem with 343i’s vision is that they want humans to be the top dogs. That isn’t going to work from a storytelling standpoint though, so they have set themselves a goal that they cannot ever allow themselves to reach as it would sabotage their storytelling capabilities once they obtained it. So I’d strap myself in for a perpetual cycle of stories about humanity trying but failing to obtain the Mantle.

Some of this I think is also rooted in 343i’s lack of creativity with Halo’s story telling. A substantial number of their post-war plots revolve around humans and Covenant still fighting each other over Forerunner McGuffins that get blown up at the end of the plot. Stories like Envoy, Escalation and Spartan Ops have all continued the trend of featuring Forerunner technologies that had the potential to seriously change the setting. The problem with changing the setting though is that 343i would no longer be able to simply rehash the exact same story just with a different paint job like they’ve mostly been doing for the last 7 years, so they have to blow these things up to stop them altering anything.

As with the plots, the stories themselves rarely ever deviate from “post-war tensions”, racialism and racism, xenophobia and all that -Yoink-. Their refusal to innovate here prevents them from being able to resolve the conflict of what they want to happen in the story, versus what the realities of the story are because the realities never change over time. They just want to play it safe and never innovate whilst hoping that their vision will just magically manifest itself and be accepted. I get the impression that if 343i got their way, humans would inherit the Mantle whilst still somehow being xenophobic just so they don’t have to rethink their approach to storytelling in Halo.

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> I think 343i want to have their cake and then eat it. They want to put humanity on a pedestal with this nonsense about reclaiming the Mantle, whilst at the same time portraying humans as the underdog with significant levels of bitterness and xenophobia towards others following the war. I noticed this problem with Halo’s narrative back in 2011 following the release of Glasslands, where we were reading about malicious plots to destabilize allied powers and plots of genocide against a whole species, whilst being told by Halo 4 to bear in mind that humans are the rightful heirs to the Mantle. Yeah, that’s one hell of a dissonance that you just can’t gloss over and to this day it remains, stronger than ever. It’s a conflict between what 343i wants out of the Halo story, and what the realities of the Halo story are.
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> There’s also a conflict between what they want out of the Halo story, and what the realities of storytelling itself are. I think stories tend to work best when the protagonists are the underdogs fighting to overcome the stronger villains. The problem with 343i’s vision is that they want humans to be the top dogs. That isn’t going to work from a storytelling standpoint though, so they have set themselves a goal that they cannot ever allow themselves to reach as it would sabotage their storytelling capabilities once they obtained it. So I’d strap myself in for a perpetual cycle of stories about humanity trying but failing to obtain the Mantle.
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> Some of this I think is also rooted in 343i’s lack of creativity with Halo’s story telling. A substantial number of their post-war plots revolve around humans and Covenant still fighting each other over Forerunner McGuffins that get blown up at the end of the plot. Stories like Envoy, Escalation and Spartan Ops have all continued the trend of featuring Forerunner technologies that had the potential to seriously change the setting. The problem with changing the setting though is that 343i would no longer be able to simply rehash the exact same story just with a different paint job like they’ve mostly been doing for the last 7 years, so they have to blow these things up to stop them altering anything.
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> As with the plots, the stories themselves rarely ever deviate from “post-war tensions”, racialism and racism, xenophobia and all that -Yoink-. Their refusal to innovate here prevents them from being able to resolve the conflict of what they want to happen in the story, versus what the realities of the story are because the realities never change over time. They just want to play it safe and never innovate whilst hoping that their vision will just magically manifest itself and be accepted. I get the impression that if 343i got their way, humans would inherit the Mantle whilst still somehow being xenophobic just so they don’t have to rethink their approach to storytelling in Halo.

Well in fairness Halo 5 did substantially change the setting because Cortana actually gets to use the Forerunner McGuffin. It does dramatically change the galaxy, setting and main source of conflict. Its up there with the Great Schism in terms of dramatic events in the series that changes everything.

For me its two core issues:

Humanity hasn’t done anything to earn the distinction of being a chosen race. Its a question of entitlement and it feels undeserved. Every single success has been the result of the Chief and one man is not representative of an entire species. The Forerunners had their technology, the Prophets created a galaxy spanning multi species civilization, brutes and elites are physically superior to humans and AI are exponentially more intelligent than humans. The excuse Halo 4 used is that Ancient Humanity was the most impressive civilization encountered by the Forerunners. But this is the equivalent of using the Roman Empire to prove that Italians are superior to everyone else. May have held true few thousand years back but it doesn’t reflect reality.

Whilst I think 343 fully mean this as a biblical chosen people, its kind of hard for this not to come across as a bit fascist. These god like beings seeded humanity to be shepherds to all the bestial and savage races?

Now to be sure, with the sole exception of Halsey during Spartan Ops, no human character or organization is actively seeking galactic supremacy through the acquisition of Forerunner technology. However to go back to my original post I can only put this down to stupidity on the part of the human race since this is clearly all very easy to use per the events of Halo 5. They seem remarkably disinterested in the whole thing. Halsey really is the only one who seems to think that humanity needs to get a handle on and understand this stuff; “our destiny as a species”. Which makes her the only sane voice and struggling to deal with the fact that her government is led by short sighted fools who have quite literally -Yoink!- humanity to enslavement by their AI Overlords; “I told you this was happening!”. If they had listened to Halsey and taken the mantle before Cortana did then they would not be in their current predicament of relying on the kindness of monsters.

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> Well in fairness Halo 5 did substantially change the setting because Cortana actually gets to use the Forerunner McGuffin. It does dramatically change the galaxy, setting and main source of conflict. Its up there with the Great Schism in terms of dramatic events in the series that changes everything.

I would be cautious about putting too much faith in the longevity of Halo 5’s changes. Halo’s development has always been volatile, and this is no different under 343i. During Halo 4’s development the game underwent a change of leadership and a change of narrative direction, and then it did so again when the studio transitioned from Halo 4 to Halo 5. For that latter change, the evidence is everywhere in the form of narrative dead ends. The Ur-Didact was hyped up as the Chief’s first nemesis, and Greg Bear was contracted to write three whole novels about the character of the Ur-Didact. He was subsequently used for one game and then quasi-killed off in a comic book. Halo 4 was supposed to be about the Chief finding his humanity and transitioning from a soldier to a leader, yet that has clearly been abandoned, with Halo 5 seeing Chief return to the status quo of being a soldier for the UNSC and demonstrating no active leadership. Likewise, the changes that the Librarian made to him during Halo 4 seem to have been forgotten about; immunity to the Composer was not the only thing implied to have been within the changes that she made. Probably the most notable and irritating example of this narrative aborting however was the plot surrounding the Janus Key and Absolute Record. This was an absolute joke of a move on 343i’s part, and I can only describe what they did as “carrot-sticking” the fanbase for two years, with Spartan Ops followed by two dozen-odd issues of a comic spanning many months that ultimately ended with “lolnope”.

The point, in the end, is this: Halo 5 doesn’t mean anything until it is set in stone; which likely means until Halo 6 has been launched, we can’t be sure that 343i will stick with the Created or any long lasting changes that it claims to have brought. If 343i have shown us anything of their talents, then it is how talented they are at misleading their fans and dropping things at a moment’s notice to pursue some other narrative. Given how unpopular the Created were, and how unpopular Halo 5 was in general - in combination with how fickle 343i are with their narratives - I’m not going to put much stock in anything Halo 5 has brought to the table until at least the launch of Halo 6.

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> Humanity hasn’t done anything to earn the distinction of being a chosen race. Its a question of entitlement and it feels undeserved. Every single success has been the result of the Chief and one man is not representative of an entire species.

Exactly. I think this leads to identifying a greater problem with 343i’s approach to worldbuilding and possibly their view of the world as a studio, which is - simply put - a wrong worldview to have. They are looking at the setting as a collection of competing species, where racial politics dominates the evolving setting, and are attributing the successes and failures of individuals to the whole race group. This isn’t just reflected in humanity’s manifest destiny being validated because Halsey and Chief are exceptional, but also in them constantly reducing the Covenant species to caricatures based on past stereotypes - because some Elites in the Cole Protocol had a weird belief surrounding blood, to 343i that obviously meant that all Elites had to have these beliefs and so we got Halo Envoy giving Elites on some distant refugee colonial world the exact same beliefs as those on Vadam state, Sanghelios. To 343i, it’s evidently all the same. Race = culture, conflict is best described as racial in nature, and the individual matters less than the racial group. Their human ascendancy narrative is built on these assumptions, and I don’t think we’ll be rid of this “Humans deserve the Mantle due to [Insert character’s exceptionalism here]” until all that goes away.

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> The Forerunners had their technology, the Prophets created a galaxy spanning multi species civilization, brutes and elites are physically superior to humans and AI are exponentially more intelligent than humans. The excuse Halo 4 used is that Ancient Humanity was the most impressive civilization encountered by the Forerunners. But this is the equivalent of using the Roman Empire to prove that Italians are superior to everyone else. May have held true few thousand years back but it doesn’t reflect reality.

Even that analogy is generous, because at least with the Roman Empire and Italy there is some form of continuity be it geographical, or through the old city states of Rome and Venice, or through the surviving works of art, literature and culture, and the influence of Latin upon the Italian language. There is no continuity of any kind between Ancient Humans and modern Humans. We can’t even be sure how much is genetically similar because of the amount of interference that was made by Forerunner Lifeworkers first “devolving” humans and then inserting geas and other -Yoink- in there afterwards.

I can’t remember what Halo 4 used as its justification for Humans having the Mantle, but if it’s that Humans were the most impressive civilization that the Forerunner encountered, then that’s pretty dumb. By that metric of success, the Forerunner were better in that age. By the same metric, the Covenant were better in the modern age. Being second place doesn’t mean you get first prize.

I’m also not a fan of this implication throughout their works that success is necessarily determined by race, and not a slew of other factors.

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> Whilst I think 343 fully mean this as a biblical chosen people, its kind of hard for this not to come across as a bit fascist. These god like beings seeded humanity to be shepherds to all the bestial and savage races?

Yeah, it’s tragically poorly thought out as all it conveys is that ethno-centrism and imperialism are fine.

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> Now to be sure, with the sole exception of Halsey during Spartan Ops, no human character or organization is actively seeking galactic supremacy through the acquisition of Forerunner technology. However to go back to my original post I can only put this down to stupidity on the part of the human race since this is clearly all very easy to use per the events of Halo 5. They seem remarkably disinterested in the whole thing. Halsey really is the only one who seems to think that humanity needs to get a handle on and understand this stuff; “our destiny as a species”. Which makes her the only sane voice and struggling to deal with the fact that her government is led by short sighted fools who have quite literally -Yoink!- humanity to enslavement by their AI Overlords; “I told you this was happening!”. If they had listened to Halsey and taken the mantle before Cortana did then they would not be in their current predicament of relying on the kindness of monsters.

I think ONI were also trying to get access to these things as well, but it doesn’t say much for 343i’s idea of humanity when the only people able to go after this stuff and use it are people who want to use it to break down all other species into easily conquerable chunks; who use time-dilation chambers on Onyx not to grow food for starving humans, but to grow toxic grain to wipe out Sangheili civilian populations.

Here is the problem with humanity, or anybody, being a chosen people ala the Mantle: no single species is capable of ruling all others. What makes humans uniquely qualified for the job? We aren’t all the same, we fight each other for trivial reasons, and we have a shaky relationship with the rest of the Galaxy. That’s literally every other species situation as well. It wouldn’t even be humanity ruling the Galaxy. It’d probably be a handful of “important” people running the show while everybody else is none the wiser. Which, hello, was the Forerunner Ecumene. That didn’t work.

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> Well in fairness Halo 5 did substantially change the setting because Cortana actually gets to use the Forerunner McGuffin. It does dramatically change the galaxy, setting and main source of conflict. Its up there with the Great Schism in terms of dramatic events in the series that changes everything.
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> For me its two core issues:
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> Humanity hasn’t done anything to earn the distinction of being a chosen race. Its a question of entitlement and it feels undeserved. Every single success has been the result of the Chief and one man is not representative of an entire species. The Forerunners had their technology, the Prophets created a galaxy spanning multi species civilization, brutes and elites are physically superior to humans and AI are exponentially more intelligent than humans. The excuse Halo 4 used is that Ancient Humanity was the most impressive civilization encountered by the Forerunners. But this is the equivalent of using the Roman Empire to prove that Italians are superior to everyone else. May have held true few thousand years back but it doesn’t reflect reality.
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> Whilst I think 343 fully mean this as a biblical chosen people, its kind of hard for this not to come across as a bit fascist. These god like beings seeded humanity to be shepherds to all the bestial and savage races?
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> Now to be sure, with the sole exception of Halsey during Spartan Ops, no human character or organization is actively seeking galactic supremacy through the acquisition of Forerunner technology. However to go back to my original post I can only put this down to stupidity on the part of the human race since this is clearly all very easy to use per the events of Halo 5. They seem remarkably disinterested in the whole thing. Halsey really is the only one who seems to think that humanity needs to get a handle on and understand this stuff; “our destiny as a species”. Which makes her the only sane voice and struggling to deal with the fact that her government is led by short sighted fools who have quite literally -Yoink!- humanity to enslavement by their AI Overlords; “I told you this was happening!”. If they had listened to Halsey and taken the mantle before Cortana did then they would not be in their current predicament of relying on the kindness of monsters.

I’m personally a little suspicious over how “far-reaching” Cortana’s created uprising will really be to both the story and the galaxy and large, as it appears 343 have set themselves up with a pre-made “reset button” trope.

If you look at the end of Halo 5 Guardians, whilst the ‘Created’ have essentially neutralized the UNSC, very little damage has been done to the UNSC’s existing infrastructure.

As far as we can see no human capital ships have been destroyed, no colonies glassed (some sustained minor damage from Guardians excavating themselves) and no humans economic infrastructure has been destroyed. This means that 343 can essentially have the player press at button at any point in Halo 6 to deactivate Cortana and all the rogue AI, and like magic the UNSC is reset to its pre-‘Created Uprising’ strength.

I’m personally not a fan of this ‘reset’ trope, as it encourage a ‘status-quo is god’ mentality where nothing significant never even changes.

Lets just pretend that at the end of Halo 6 the UNSC and SOS are able to effectively neutralize the ‘Created’ faction by flicking a switch that deactivates the Guardians and firewalls off all the rogue human AI with minimal to no damage to the UNSC’s civilian population or economic infrastructure.

Even if this conflict was resolved relatively bloodlessly, the ramifications for how humans would view smart AI would be just as long lasting as if Earth had been nuked by them. As a collective culture the majority of humans would never trust artificial intelligence again, as their would likely be something akin to a technological pogrom as the UNSC raced to destroy all SMART AI’s, or anything that may develop into a SMART AI just in case AI’s ever tried a machine uprising again. All aspects of human interstellar civilization would change as human engineering would probably rely on more basic human mathematic inputs to prevent themselves developing technology that could one day turn against them, and ironically humans may come to view artificial intelligence with the same heretical religious dogma that the Covenant did.

This is how I’m sure humans would react to an attempted AI uprising even if it was thwarted peacefully, but the very fact that 343 have set themselves up with this ‘reset button’ tells me they’ve already decided to return the UNSC back to its Halo 4 status quo at the end of Halo 6, with humans continuing to use SMART AI’s in every aspect of their daily life.

The fact these same SMART AI’s attempted to enslave humanity less than 5 minute ago will likely be hand waved as, ‘that was a Tuesdays problem, this is a Wednesday and were back to fighting aliens, and tomorrow its Thursdays and that means its Godzilla.’

I think if this is how Halo 6 ends it will be really sad as after 3 games we’ll be back to square one, but I’d confidently put money on the fact that this is the way Halo 6 will end.

I think as Anton has already said, 343’s critical flaw is that they can’t decide in what direction they want to take Halo as a franchise and when they do decide on a path they want to take the story down, they don’t put in the effort to make that story credible.

To use Halo 4 as an example, as some point during this games development someone at 343 got it into their head that they wanted to have the UNSC to become the galaxies rising superpower.

I’ve got no specific problem with this trope, but they didn’t invest the time and effort to make this a credible idea, and thus it came across as half-hearted.

Halo 4 opened with Chief waking from a cryo-sleep 4 years after the most destructive and costly war in all of human history.

If 343 wanted to make this story narrative credible, they could have had Chief waking up 50 years, 500 years, or 5000 years after the human-covenant war which would have given the UNSC and humanity adequate time to rebuild and flourish across the galaxy, either as a solely human empire or part of some kind of multi-species federation or revived Covenant Alliance, with new extragalactic threats to its existence.

This is a plot-thread that could have easily worked from a narrative point of view, but it would have required 343 to pour vast resources into redesigning this technologically advanced human culture which after perhaps 5000 years would bare no resemblance to the UNSC of 2552. (They’d also need to design new alien races, cultures and technology from scratch as well)

Instead, due to 343’s desire for keeping human technologically post-modern, (no phasers), were suppose to believe that the UNSC is bordering/surpassing the tier 2 Covenant with this civilizations ability to manipulate directed energy and gravity whilst still using ballistic armour and slug-throwers. (Doesn’t exactly scream state of the art in a setting where a supposedly intellectually inferior enemy is still able to outfit the backbone of its ground troops with their own personnel energy shielding, whilst the bulk of the UNSC ground troops have to make do with ballistic armour and helmets, despite the fact that due to ‘Word Of God’ humans are meant to be the more intelligent ones)

I really can’t stand ‘implied’ subtexts.

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> I think ONI were also trying to get access to these things as well, but it doesn’t say much for 343i’s idea of humanity when the only people able to go after this stuff and use it are people who want to use it to break down all other species into easily conquerable chunks; who use time-dilation chambers on Onyx not to grow food for starving humans, but to grow toxic grain to wipe out Sangheili civilian populations.

I do think 343 would have done a much better job conveying the Halo story they wanted to tell, and how they think humanity “should strive to be” if they’d have used the linked video’s narrative as a starting point;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWpvX8kiEE

They could hit the re-set button. But then why go that far? You could have just done a Halo Wars 2 esque story where it all takes place on a Forerunner Installation and doesn’t impact the wider galaxy in any meaningful way. But instead they let Cortana’s plan play out and put her in a position which would dramatically change the galaxy. To me that suggests that whatever happens they clearly want to take the series in a certain direction.

But you’re both right, we really don’t know until we see Halo 6 and we get a feel for how long term this stuff is going to be, the key questions are:

  • Is this just a one off short story, or is it meant to be the “Human Covenant War” of the Reclaimer Saga?

  • Is Cortana going to remain as a faction leader of the Prometheans and in some position of power? Or will she be destroyed or go back to being a normal AI. Since they clearly want to make her the AI from Marathon and she can’t leave the Domain without dying; I think its probably going to be the former.

  • Is AI ruling over humans a new norm, or are they setting up a dramatic split in which both groups live apart from one another? AI in the Domain with Forerunner tech and humanity on its colony worlds guarding against any future return?

  • Will humans dissatisfied with the UNSC, or former Covenant who are of the religious persuasion end up joining her. To me, if her presence results in major changes to the Covenant than that could be the most lasting thing she could do. Say, the presence of an actual god like being (I mean she has an army of giant mechanical angels) appearing leads to the creation of a new Covenant, because they would actually have something real and tangible to believe in again. Or, if Cortana is handing out weapons and protection to whoever joins her this could enable Insurrectionist governments to fully secede from Earth’s control. Certainly outside the games you could do a lot with that storywise.

  • As you mentioned above, really the UEG should order the destruction of all Smart AI’s, if it hasn’t done so already. I mean if you think about it, in that short story a UNSC commander considers murdering hundreds of AI because they might join Cortana. So presumably the more evil elements of the UNSC have already done this; likely at the discretion of the local commander in the absence of a central command or government.

  • We’re assuming Cortana just wants to rule the galaxy and doesn’t have any mad plans involving turning everyone into AI or just plain killing everyone.

The real world explanation probably boils down to the two most frustrating words for theorycrafters and lore diehards: “Because plot.”

Yeah, by all rights humanity could have laid claim to the Mantle back in the 2530’s, taken possession of all Forerunner tech, and conquered the galaxy. Had they done so, they would have been too OP for any further antagonism to take place to tell future stories, though.