Does anyone like these changes to the overall lore in regards to humanity?
I have previously expressed how much I hate humanity becoming the aggressors and seemingly a threat to others (makes it harder to fight for humanity when they aren’t underdogs, in effect helping me hate the Spartan IVs, and view all new characters with no trust).
But now according to the most recent game, not only is humanity the aggressors but they have never been in control of their own destiny. The current humans in halo haven’t accomplished/achieved anything that wasn’t already preprogramed into them…
Is it interesting? yes…does it change the perception and tone of Halo lore, yes…I personally don’t like it.
The Librarian’s help is been viewed too literally. She guided Humanity to get back to where they were before their devolution. Humanity got there by themselves initially and the Librarian wants to see that restored. It doesn’t lessen anything that she influenced and sped up the progression.
It’s a nice change to see Humanity actually being able to dish out damage and it also makes complete sense given the fact that they have recently discovered and unlocked alot of forerunner tech and have access to Huragok. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that the UNSC/ONI are not the underdogs. The Forerunner are still far more powerful than Humanity can comprehend and the Precursers/flood still have to make and appearance and then we’ll really see how much of an underdog Humanity actually is.
Still feels as if humans arent really accomplishing anything on their own…
Its the same issue that came at the end of Halo 3…Cpt. Keyes, Miranda, Halsey, the Spartans it was as if the entire struggle to save humanity ultimately rested within a single family.
Now after Halo 4 we find out that the Spartans, their armor, the augmentations and everything else was pre-ordained. Its even hinted that Cortana is one of these “chosen” by the Librarian. Is that why Chief had Cortana visions in Halo 3 because no matter what happened they were meant to win because it was their destiny to win, evolve, and confront the threat mentioned by the librarian?
Again, the developments rob any sense of accomplishment thus far…its as if humans need to catch up to where they were before their de-evolution before they can truly do anything of their own accord.
Yeah i dont like it either. It completely devalues the achievements of the whole Spartan project and anything that 117 did. Cause it was supposed to happen.
I think you are looking at what she said WAY to litteraly. Ancient humans were almost on par with the Forerunners prior to their devolution and the librarian wants to see them get back to their former glory. They had combat skins, larger warriors, and ancillas far before they were devolved.
I think she means that she helped us get back to that point, that is why all of those things, including John , were pre destined to happened, because they were that way before.
Remember we were designed by the Precursors, as were the Forerunners. We were both meant for greatness… I think that right there actually plays into that as well… we were created by the precursors to be a great race, so if you think about it her words ca n be taken as the precursors made us to be this way too.
The only thing I can see that the Librarian changed was our ability to be impervious to the Composer.
If humans were going to develop back to exactly what they were before then there is no need for Librarian help. The fact that she sets a path tells you that she purposely made sure that there wasn’t going to be any deviation. So, yeah, humans are going back to their former glory but they are going back because of a path set by some one else.
I disagree. You are all taking this statement too seriously. I don’t believe she controlled everything, just little things to help humanity along, and prepare for the Flood’s/Precursor’s return.
I think the person who suffers most is probably Master Chief, up to this point it had been his training, adherence to duty, and moral compass that made him willing to fight against all odds…Knowing what we now know and the further changes done to him in the campaign it devalues everything he has done and devalues him as “Humanitys’ champion”…It is specially telling that even chief himself considers Spartans/military separate from the rest of humanity itself…
The suggestion that Geas are a part of Chief and had contributed to most of his success, to his “luck”…Its like having midichlorians for the sake of forcing an explanation on something…
Of course the caveat is that there may be a greater payoff in the grand plan of things…
Even the librarian refers to it as “planting seeds”. Planting something does not perfectly dictate how it grows. Now you could prune it and do a bunch of other things to control its growth, but she doesnt mention anything suggesting that.
It is more likely just ‘suggestions’ to help guide things along, like the 10 commandments and such.
Even before 343 touched anything, It’d be really stupid for the forerunners to just entrust that humanity will continue their legacy without any kind of safeguards. We could have easily destroyed ourselves countless times and then no one would be there to activate the halo’s should the flood return/escape.
Its also highly unlikely the covenant attacking us was planned.
> Even the librarian refers to it as “planting seeds”. Planting something does not perfectly dictate how it grows. Now you could prune it and do a bunch of other things to control its growth, but she doesnt mention anything suggesting that.
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> It is more likely just ‘suggestions’ to help guide things along, like the 10 commandments and such.
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> Even before 343 touched anything, It’d be really stupid for the forerunners to just entrust that humanity will continue their legacy without any kind of safeguards. We could have easily destroyed ourselves countless times and then no one would be there to activate the halo’s should the flood return/escape.
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> Its also highly unlikely the covenant attacking us was planned.
Planting seed DOES dictate how something grows depending on how much effort you are putting into it. And the fact that the Librarian recognizes Cortana so easily shows what she was expecting.
The Librarian decreased our progression time so that it wouldn’t be millions of years before we got back to where we are supposed to be, so that some one who is worthy (or at least as worthy as the Forerunners) would be able to assume the Mantle. Yes she took away some choice as to how we evolved , but to assume that all choices made by each individual is preordained is a little far fetched. Did she know that we would make battle skins ; probably , did she know that John would be “The One” , probably not.
Also you have to look at the fact that all Tech in this universe is some derivative of Forerunner tech. If this is the case , then Battle skins and Ancilla were a foregone conclusion , she knew that future races would find them and recreate the Tech in that species image.
In short , She did not impose a future on us , She allowed us to return to our rightful place in as short a time as possible. Even when the Didact had come up with a plan to ensure her own species survival , she thought it more important to ensure our survival than her own. In the eyes of the Librarian , we were the proper holders of the Mantle and she took steps to ensure our ascendancy.