Been thinking about this for a while. While I understand that the ‘human’ part of this alliance were the ancient humans of the galaxy, what I don’t get is why the San’shuum AKA the prophets have forgotten this historical alliance. I know the forerunners separated the two races in the galaxy so they may not ally again, but the history is still there but yet in this current part of the time line, the ‘prophets’ have portrayed the Earth humans as a disease to the galaxy.
Basically what I’m getting at is back there the humans and the san’shuum were the alliance and you fast forward 100,000 years and they are now enemies. Assuming the forerunners are this ‘ancient enemy’ returning for the new HALO game trilogy, does anyone think its possible that the remnants of the covenant could or would be forced to ally with the humans and possibly even the Elites to fight the forerunners? Opinions?
on a personal note… the HALO universe ROCKS!! call me a fanboy, don’t care lol
The Halo Universe is amazing, no need to be ashamed of liking it!
The records of the alliance were probably lost through time. And personally, I don’t think the Forerunners will be the new enemies. Precursors seem like the perfect candidate.
oh im certainly not ashamed of liking the HALO universe…
but thanks for your opinion on enemy and the history… it will be fun to see how it plays out.
That is the…“joke” of cryptum since i cannot find the precise wording.
The san shyuum hate the humans and see them as heretics yet the two races were on very good terms eons ago*
All the races worship the forerunners in some respect and to some degree now but eons ago hated them more or less.
The san shyumm were a sensual race that thrived on science not war now they use science for war.
The san shyuum were ruled by the young then switched to the old while the forerunners did the exact opposite.
So the forerunner has some great details that can be found if you pay attention.
- I am not sure if i believe in this “alliance” since this was said from a forerunner aspect and the humans have never commented on working with them.
And really, if they were allies (which is definitely implied), I’m sure the Forerunners would have made every attempt to destroy record of it. Also when the Master Builder went to Janjor Q’am (i think thats the name) he brought one of the elders in to ask about the cure, but he didnt know, the one that knew was killed during the Forerunner assault. After that any verbal knowledge of the alliance would have just disappeared. Also the Librarian pulling some San’Shyuum from the planet is what started the riot, the last of the elders they had was declared killed, meaning the Librarian didn’t grab the elders, there is no garuntee that the ones she grabbed had any knowledge of this alliance. And therefore wouldn’t be able to pass it along.
Well with every race wiped away by the Halos and everyone getting a re-boot, who WOULD remember it?
forthencho and yprin didn’t mention them whatsoever and that is what i was referring to.
> Well with every race wiped away by the Halos and everyone getting a re-boot, who WOULD remember it?
exactly, this is pretty obvious.
I think that this is foreshadowing (if that’s the right term) a future alliance between the Humans and Prophets against the Ancient Evil in the Reclaimer Trilogy.
That’s just me though.
> > Well with every race wiped away by the Halos and everyone getting a re-boot, who WOULD remember it?
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> exactly, this is pretty obvious.
not what i was talking about and if you people would read further and think for a second you would have gotten it.
> I think that this is foreshadowing (if that’s the right term) a future alliance between the Humans and Prophets against the Ancient Evil in the Reclaimer Trilogy.
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> That’s just me though.
I think it might be overshadowing… and thank you… this was what i was originally getting at… could this ‘ancient evil’ be so terrible that it forces all KNOWN species in the galaxy to band together to fight it… including the UNSC AND the prophets of the covenant.
Um, it is a fact from Glasslands that the elites wouldn’t do anything of the sort not to mention this threat is isolated due to it not appearing in later canon.
Also, why would the Forerunner’s and Human’s fight?
The forerunners have no reason to start a war on humanity - Even though there may be tension left by the Human-Forerunner war many years ago, the Forerunners did give Humanity the mantle, which proves that they arent on the worst terms with us.
And I highly doubt humanity would attack the forerunners - they are, in a way, the gods of the galaxy (Unless the ancient evil proves to be more advanced Precursor?)
If humanity started a fight with the forerunners, espicially after a war that nearly wiped them out, they wouldnt win.
I seriously doubt any forerunner remembers a war that happened 110,000 years ago and we don’t have anything saying they gave us the mantle or what it entails.
You doubt the humans would attack the forerunners? you must not be familiar with ONI.
I thought it was becoming more accepted through ONI and the UNSC that the Forerunners weren’t thought to be Gods, just an extremely advanced race of beings. I doubt in 2553 and after humans still think technology = magic. It would be aparent to the Humans at that time once they understood the technology they’d be able to replicate it to some extent. If I remember it was only the Covenant that considered them Gods, and that was because they misread the writings that were left behind and took the Halos as a way of transcending their physical forms.
> forthencho and yprin didn’t mention them whatsoever and that is what i was referring to.
And I actually think this is worth discussing more. If they were allied, why wouldn’t Yprin of Forthencho talk about it? The Forerunners assumed the timebolt used on the Primordials cage was of San’Shyuum origin. The only ones to say that they were allied is the Forerunners. And that could have simply been more of a way to quarentine another advanced race of beings.
> > forthencho and yprin didn’t mention them whatsoever and that is what i was referring to.
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> And I actually think this is worth discussing more. If they were allied, why wouldn’t Yprin of Forthencho talk about it? The Forerunners assumed the timebolt used on the Primordials cage was of San’Shyuum origin. The only ones to say that they were allied is the Forerunners. And that could have simply been more of a way to quarentine another advanced race of beings.
Great point, didn’t think of it that way.
> > > forthencho and yprin didn’t mention them whatsoever and that is what i was referring to.
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> > And I actually think this is worth discussing more. If they were allied, why wouldn’t Yprin of Forthencho talk about it? The Forerunners assumed the timebolt used on the Primordials cage was of San’Shyuum origin. The only ones to say that they were allied is the Forerunners. And that could have simply been more of a way to quarentine another advanced race of beings.
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> Great point, didn’t think of it that way.
Even if the timebolt was San’Shyuum that wouldn’t automatically make them allies. The U.S buys stuff from China every day. That doesn’t make them allied in a war. They could have just been trade partners.
Even look at when the infection of the Flood started. It said that the infection spread from Pheru to San’Shyuum, and Pheru to Human, but rarely from Human to San’Shyuum. It could be read two ways, the DNA was too different and the infection couldn’t work that way. Or, that the Humans and San’Shyuum had very little contact with each other and thats why it rarely transfered.
I think the infection spread so easily with humans due to the similarity they have with forerunners. Thats the only way to explain it really.