Here’s something I’ve been thinking about: the morphological variation between the Ancient Humans. back during the Forerunner era, Humans were composed of different races, such as the Hamanush, k’tamanush, b’ashamanush, and chamanush. How did they come to be? Did they originally evolve on Erde-Tyrene? Or, perhaps they evolved over the million or so years the Humans were exploring the Galaxy.
i mean, they colonized over 20,000 planets, all with varying conditions. Some would have low gravity, other would have high gravity. Some would have hellish environmental conditions with many deadly predators, others would be soft Garden worlds, full of gentle things. It wouldn’t surprise me that over the million years of colonization, and the technological and historical dark ages they suffered through, evolution would have worked it’s wonders on Humanity, and BOOM, we’ve got different races of Humans, all with their own unique strengths and weaknesses.
Something else I’ve been wondering about: where are they? Well, I’ve got two theories.
After firing the Halo rings, all the races of Humans were transplanted back to Earth, and over the next 100,000 years, the different races would wage a war of racial supremacy and wipe each other out(because Humans are tribal and puritanical -Yoinks!-), leaving only the normal, garden variety of Humans we’re all familiar with.
Or, the Forerunners seeded the different races of Humans on other planets scattered across the Galaxy. Humans are the Reclaimers, and seeding them all on a single planet would be like putting all our eggs in one basket; the Forerunners wouldn’t run the risk of their heirs falling prey to a conquering race(which is what happened with the Human-Covenant war). If this is the case, then it’s possible that the new race/s mentioned in Halo CE Terminals and Halo:Broken Circle could be these different races of Humans, simply at a higher technological level of development than their cousins at Earth.
What do you think?
No. Humanity was one species during our war with the Forerunners. It wasn’t until we were defeated and devolved that our species fragmented into so many.
Nah, I don’t see the Forerunners scattering the human population across multiple worlds when there were already so few of them to go around. Silentium certainly does not imply as such.
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> Nah, I don’t see the Forerunners scattering the human population across multiple worlds when there were already so few of them to go around. Silentium certainly does not imply as such.
Yeah, I actually kinda agree, I just put that theory out there as a possibility, a response to a forum way back when discussing the Ancient Humans: some guy thought that the ship from Halo CE Terminal was from Ancient Humans who survived the war with the Forerunners, and were exploring the Halo rings, abducting Monitors and extracting their memories, cos they could be like Guilty Spark: composed from a Human mind, and would have genetic memories of Forthencho.
I think my first theory is the most likely.
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> No. Humanity was one species during our war with the Forerunners. It wasn’t until we were defeated and devolved that our species fragmented into so many.
Really? Didn’t the Didact mention that the Florian (can’t remember his name) was preserved because he thought they were clever and amusing? I took this to mean that the different races of Humans existed in their space faring age. You have to admit, it makes sense that over tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of years, Humans would experience natural selection, and be conditioned by their different environments, especially when they were isolated from each other for long periods of time in the Dark Ages.
I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
And they would likely have seeded other planets if they had enough time. By the end of silentium it appeared they were very desperate and rushing just to be able to save what they could.
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> I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
> And they would likely have seeded other planets if they had enough time. By the end of silentium it appeared they were very desperate and rushing just to be able to save what they could.
Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
I agree with that.
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Didn’t think of it like that. I suppose you’re right it would cause infighting which would inspire innovation. Hell many of the things we use everyday are a result of adapted military tech. Good call.
Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
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> > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> Didn’t think of it like that. I suppose you’re right it would cause infighting which would inspire innovation. Hell many of the things we use everyday are a result of adapted military tech. Good call.
> Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> > > I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
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> > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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Agree with what? Conflict causing technological advancement, or the Forerunners deliberately splintering Humanity into different races to stunt their development? Please elaborate.
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> > > > I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
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> > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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I miss spoke. Maybe that’s why the librarian splintered us in that way.
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> > > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> I miss spoke. Maybe that’s why the librarian splintered us in that way.
Suppose that these different races are the result of Forerunner meddling. Are they a part of natural Human genetics, or are they simply bio-engineered by the Forerunners to serve a specific purpose? Were they a part of Human genetic diversity before arising from Erde-Tyrene, but had simply died out in favor of one dominant Human genus? If that is the case, then how can the Forerunners revive these long-dead Human races?
The damn books really don’t give any specifics; it’s all open to interpretation.
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> > > > Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
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> > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> The damn books really don’t give any specifics; it’s all open to interpretation.
I’m guessing after a few hundred millennia we had managed to evolve past race through interracial breeding. But even so the genetic markers of those ancestral races would still be there and child’s play for a life worker to single out and probably a byproduct of the de-evolution. Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Librarian had such a fascination with us a robust DNA. She said something to the didact that she thought our gene song had the potential to surpass theirs.
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> > > > > > > I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
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> > > > > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> > > > > Didn’t think of it like that. I suppose you’re right it would cause infighting which would inspire innovation. Hell many of the things we use everyday are a result of adapted military tech. Good call.
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> > > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> I’m guessing after a few hundred millennia we had managed to evolve past race through interracial breeding. But even so the genetic markers of those ancestral races would still be there and child’s play for a life worker to single out and probably a byproduct of the de-evolution. Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Librarian had such a fascination with us a robust DNA. She said something to the didact that she thought our gene song had the potential to surpass theirs.
The Forerunners’ evolution was stagnant, because they believed they had reached the apex of their evolution, and because they were at peace for such long periods of time, they didn’t experience much natural selection. Hell, their client races were stagnant as well, because the Forerunners sheltered them from all threats, internal and external. Ancient Humanity’s time among the stars was rife with turmoil, as evidenced by their Dark Ages of technological regression and barbarism. Such challenges to the survival of a species would induce evolutionary changes in them, hence why the Librarian thought they would surpass the Forerunners in biology, and ultimately, in technology as well. I mean, Forerunners were in space for 10,000,000 years, and Humans were in space for 1,100,000 years, and they were almost on par with the Forerunners.
If all those races were meant to interbreed and eventually produce modern Humans, then how is it that they evolved independently from each other on a single planet, yet still be similar enough to breed? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for these different races to have simply adapted to the unique conditions of their colony-worlds? Halo lore focuses too much on the Forerunners, we need to learn more about the Ancient Humans.
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> No. Humanity was one species during our war with the Forerunners. It wasn’t until we were defeated and devolved that our species fragmented into so many.
I was just going over Halo Primordium again, and I saw a reference on page 129: basically, Chakas was exploring the memories of his ancestors, and he notes variability in Humans, but while they certainly differed from eachother, they were still recognizably Human, the way a neanderthal and Florian is still as Human as -Yoink!- Sapien, but exhibit extreme genetic diversity.
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> > > > > > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> > > > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> > > Suppose that these different races are the result of Forerunner meddling. Are they a part of natural Human genetics, or are they simply bio-engineered by the Forerunners to serve a specific purpose? Were they a part of Human genetic diversity before arising from Erde-Tyrene, but had simply died out in favor of one dominant Human genus? If that is the case, then how can the Forerunners revive these long-dead Human races?
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> The Forerunners’ evolution was stagnant, because they believed they had reached the apex of their evolution, and because they were at peace for such long periods of time, they didn’t experience much natural selection. Hell, their client races were stagnant as well, because the Forerunners sheltered them from all threats, internal and external. Ancient Humanity’s time among the stars was rife with turmoil, as evidenced by their Dark Ages of technological regression and barbarism. Such challenges to the survival of a species would induce evolutionary changes in them, hence why the Librarian thought they would surpass the Forerunners in biology, and ultimately, in technology as well. I mean, Forerunners were in space for 10,000,000 years, and Humans were in space for 1,100,000 years, and they were almost on par with the Forerunners.
> If all those races were meant to interbreed and eventually produce modern Humans, then how is it that they evolved independently from each other on a single planet, yet still be similar enough to breed? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for these different races to have simply adapted to the unique conditions of their colony-worlds? Halo lore focuses too much on the Forerunners, we need to learn more about the Ancient Humans.
Wow man just blew my mind. I knew this stuff but never realized the significance of it till now.
Agreed the forerunner trilogy wasn’t very forthcoming about humans. Another trilogy talking about original human expansion and encounters would be awesome.
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> > > > > > > Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
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> > > > > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> > > > Suppose that these different races are the result of Forerunner meddling. Are they a part of natural Human genetics, or are they simply bio-engineered by the Forerunners to serve a specific purpose? Were they a part of Human genetic diversity before arising from Erde-Tyrene, but had simply died out in favor of one dominant Human genus? If that is the case, then how can the Forerunners revive these long-dead Human races?
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> > > I’m guessing after a few hundred millennia we had managed to evolve past race through interracial breeding. But even so the genetic markers of those ancestral races would still be there and child’s play for a life worker to single out and probably a byproduct of the de-evolution. Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Librarian had such a fascination with us a robust DNA. She said something to the didact that she thought our gene song had the potential to surpass theirs.
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> > The Forerunners’ evolution was stagnant, because they believed they had reached the apex of their evolution, and because they were at peace for such long periods of time, they didn’t experience much natural selection. Hell, their client races were stagnant as well, because the Forerunners sheltered them from all threats, internal and external. Ancient Humanity’s time among the stars was rife with turmoil, as evidenced by their Dark Ages of technological regression and barbarism. Such challenges to the survival of a species would induce evolutionary changes in them, hence why the Librarian thought they would surpass the Forerunners in biology, and ultimately, in technology as well. I mean, Forerunners were in space for 10,000,000 years, and Humans were in space for 1,100,000 years, and they were almost on par with the Forerunners.
> > If all those races were meant to interbreed and eventually produce modern Humans, then how is it that they evolved independently from each other on a single planet, yet still be similar enough to breed? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for these different races to have simply adapted to the unique conditions of their colony-worlds? Halo lore focuses too much on the Forerunners, we need to learn more about the Ancient Humans.
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> Wow man just blew my mind. I knew this stuff but never realized the significance of it till now.
> Agreed the forerunner trilogy wasn’t very forthcoming about humans. Another trilogy talking about original human expansion and encounters would be awesome.
Well, the thing about Halo fiction, is that Bungie, and now 343i, only give us simple clues, and it’s up to us to piece them together. The Human-Forerunner connection, the Covenant’s motives for wiping out Humanity, all of this was all left up for speculation. 343i is doing the same with Cortana: is she still Rampant? Is she suffering from the Logic Plague? Is she actually dead, and the Cortana we see is just a ghost of her fragments kept alive by the Domain? Is she under the influence of the Didact? And so on; needless to say, it gets frustrating with how vague everything is.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
> > > > > > > > > > And they would likely have seeded other planets if they had enough time. By the end of silentium it appeared they were very desperate and rushing just to be able to save what they could.
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> > > > > > > > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> > > > > > > > Didn’t think of it like that. I suppose you’re right it would cause infighting which would inspire innovation. Hell many of the things we use everyday are a result of adapted military tech. Good call.
> > > > > > > > Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
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> > > > > > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
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> > > > > > I miss spoke. Maybe that’s why the librarian splintered us in that way.
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> > > > > Suppose that these different races are the result of Forerunner meddling. Are they a part of natural Human genetics, or are they simply bio-engineered by the Forerunners to serve a specific purpose? Were they a part of Human genetic diversity before arising from Erde-Tyrene, but had simply died out in favor of one dominant Human genus? If that is the case, then how can the Forerunners revive these long-dead Human races?
> > > > > The damn books really don’t give any specifics; it’s all open to interpretation.
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> > > > I’m guessing after a few hundred millennia we had managed to evolve past race through interracial breeding. But even so the genetic markers of those ancestral races would still be there and child’s play for a life worker to single out and probably a byproduct of the de-evolution. Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Librarian had such a fascination with us a robust DNA. She said something to the didact that she thought our gene song had the potential to surpass theirs.
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> > > The Forerunners’ evolution was stagnant, because they believed they had reached the apex of their evolution, and because they were at peace for such long periods of time, they didn’t experience much natural selection. Hell, their client races were stagnant as well, because the Forerunners sheltered them from all threats, internal and external. Ancient Humanity’s time among the stars was rife with turmoil, as evidenced by their Dark Ages of technological regression and barbarism. Such challenges to the survival of a species would induce evolutionary changes in them, hence why the Librarian thought they would surpass the Forerunners in biology, and ultimately, in technology as well. I mean, Forerunners were in space for 10,000,000 years, and Humans were in space for 1,100,000 years, and they were almost on par with the Forerunners.
> > > If all those races were meant to interbreed and eventually produce modern Humans, then how is it that they evolved independently from each other on a single planet, yet still be similar enough to breed? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for these different races to have simply adapted to the unique conditions of their colony-worlds? Halo lore focuses too much on the Forerunners, we need to learn more about the Ancient Humans.
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> > Wow man just blew my mind. I knew this stuff but never realized the significance of it till now.
> > Agreed the forerunner trilogy wasn’t very forthcoming about humans. Another trilogy talking about original human expansion and encounters would be awesome.
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> Well, the thing about Halo fiction, is that Bungie, and now 343i, only give us simple clues, and it’s up to us to piece them together. The Human-Forerunner connection, the Covenant’s motives for wiping out Humanity, all of this was all left up for speculation. 343i is doing the same with Cortana: is she still Rampant? Is she suffering from the Logic Plague? Is she actually dead, and the Cortana we see is just a ghost of her fragments kept alive by the Domain? Is she under the influence of the Didact? And so on; needless to say, it gets frustrating with how vague everything is.
That is very true. But that’s one of the things that makes it good and the conversations only add to it. Well as long as its not the typical “that’s not my opinion you’re wrong” crap
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’m pretty sure it said in the forerunner trilogy that they devolved them into different races to help keep them divided and from gathering strength again. The origins of the race card lol.
> > > > > > > > > > > And they would likely have seeded other planets if they had enough time. By the end of silentium it appeared they were very desperate and rushing just to be able to save what they could.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I think there was a reference in Silentium which mentioned that Humans, at the height of their power, were composed of many Genus’. The devolution of Humans into different races would keep them divided, but it wouldn’t keep them weak. Humans are tribal, and as soon as their differences are made apparent, then conflict between the races would ensue. Conflict would beget strength and technological innovation and advancement. This is probably what happened in the 100,000 years following the firing of the rings.
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> > > > > > > > > Didn’t think of it like that. I suppose you’re right it would cause infighting which would inspire innovation. Hell many of the things we use everyday are a result of adapted military tech. Good call.
> > > > > > > > > Maybe that is why they did. To ensure strongest specimen possible to reclaim the mantle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Humanity’s devolution occurred after they lost the war with the Forerunners; at that time, the Forerunners considered themselves to be the preeminent civilization in the Galaxy. Passing the Mantle onto another race, especially Humans who they believed to be heretics for claiming to be the true inheritors of the mantle and who also launched a war of aggression against the Forerunners, would have been furthest from their minds. The Forerunners wanted to keep Humanity down forever, because they were the greatest threat to Forerunner dominance in the Galaxy. Most likely it was the Librarian who meddled in Human genetics. We know she planted a geas into Humans, and 10,000 years after their devolution, they managed to achieve steam power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I miss spoke. Maybe that’s why the librarian splintered us in that way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Suppose that these different races are the result of Forerunner meddling. Are they a part of natural Human genetics, or are they simply bio-engineered by the Forerunners to serve a specific purpose? Were they a part of Human genetic diversity before arising from Erde-Tyrene, but had simply died out in favor of one dominant Human genus? If that is the case, then how can the Forerunners revive these long-dead Human races?
> > > > > > The damn books really don’t give any specifics; it’s all open to interpretation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m guessing after a few hundred millennia we had managed to evolve past race through interracial breeding. But even so the genetic markers of those ancestral races would still be there and child’s play for a life worker to single out and probably a byproduct of the de-evolution. Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Librarian had such a fascination with us a robust DNA. She said something to the didact that she thought our gene song had the potential to surpass theirs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Forerunners’ evolution was stagnant, because they believed they had reached the apex of their evolution, and because they were at peace for such long periods of time, they didn’t experience much natural selection. Hell, their client races were stagnant as well, because the Forerunners sheltered them from all threats, internal and external. Ancient Humanity’s time among the stars was rife with turmoil, as evidenced by their Dark Ages of technological regression and barbarism. Such challenges to the survival of a species would induce evolutionary changes in them, hence why the Librarian thought they would surpass the Forerunners in biology, and ultimately, in technology as well. I mean, Forerunners were in space for 10,000,000 years, and Humans were in space for 1,100,000 years, and they were almost on par with the Forerunners.
> > > > If all those races were meant to interbreed and eventually produce modern Humans, then how is it that they evolved independently from each other on a single planet, yet still be similar enough to breed? Wouldn’t it make much more sense for these different races to have simply adapted to the unique conditions of their colony-worlds? Halo lore focuses too much on the Forerunners, we need to learn more about the Ancient Humans.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow man just blew my mind. I knew this stuff but never realized the significance of it till now.
> > > Agreed the forerunner trilogy wasn’t very forthcoming about humans. Another trilogy talking about original human expansion and encounters would be awesome.
> >
> >
> > Well, the thing about Halo fiction, is that Bungie, and now 343i, only give us simple clues, and it’s up to us to piece them together. The Human-Forerunner connection, the Covenant’s motives for wiping out Humanity, all of this was all left up for speculation. 343i is doing the same with Cortana: is she still Rampant? Is she suffering from the Logic Plague? Is she actually dead, and the Cortana we see is just a ghost of her fragments kept alive by the Domain? Is she under the influence of the Didact? And so on; needless to say, it gets frustrating with how vague everything is.
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> That is very true. But that’s one of the things that makes it good and the conversations only add to it. Well as long as its not the typical “that’s not my opinion you’re wrong” crap
Amen!