how would you like Halo series to end??

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > with the chief dying like a hero like a boss like a human defending until the last minute the humanity and earth
> > everyone who says “343 sucks” well 343 dos a better storytelling than bungie
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> > I trust those guys that in the end they will do a good ending for a good franchise
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> Agreed… I’ve said it before and I will say it again. 343i is not the same as Bungie in terms of multiplayer.
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> But in terms of campaign/story, they are far, FAR superior. They rely heavily on the novels, they expand the lore even further by introducing Prometheans, great character development, looking back at old dialogues from older Halo games and making it meaningful, and finally… they changed the Chief.
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> Chief is not the emotionless killing machine we used to know him as. He is more than that. He is a hero… but also has an Achilles Heels. Never in Bungie Halo games was his weakness ever exposed. In the past Halo games, you never felt Chief’s pain. You never witnessed him SCREAM due to pain (NOT counting when you die during gameplay)… Until 343i took over.
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> And I love that… it makes him feel more human and relatable. And THAT changes him as a person. Chief is MORE than just a one sided/bland character.
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> And thanks to 343i, Chief is now becoming a DYNAMIC character.

I don’t know. It just seems like he’s exactly the same except now he blabs more often. It’s the same dialogue as before, just more often so less meaningful. He get’s one or two moments of introspection, none of which I particularly cared for because none of which felt very interesting. “I’m a machine.” He says.

“Well duh!” I responded.

Don’t get me wrong, H4 has a good campaign, but I feel it’s on par with Bungie’s better ones. Lasky, Palmer and Halsey are great, but in my opinion, so was Johnson, Tartarus, Arbiter, Truth, Mercy and friggin’ Cortana. I don’t know how to respond to H4’s Cortana after playing the originals. Seriously. Both Keyes were kind of boring though. And Reach and Destiny were long narrative slogs. Even ODST was bland, imo.

It’s not that I think flawed characters are boring - it’s just that MC never had any of the “flaws” in previous games that he had in 4. Sociopath? No. Quiet, but I wouldn’t say sociopathic. Unsure about himself? He’s a freaking SPARTAN - II. Not only that, but he saved every race in the galaxy from extinction…twice…He could probably ask the UNSC for anything and they’d give it to him.

So no, Bungie post 2004ish isn’t good at story telling. 343i isn’t great at it, yet.

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> > > with the chief dying like a hero like a boss like a human defending until the last minute the humanity and earth
> > > everyone who says “343 sucks” well 343 dos a better storytelling than bungie
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> > > I trust those guys that in the end they will do a good ending for a good franchise
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> > Agreed… I’ve said it before and I will say it again. 343i is not the same as Bungie in terms of multiplayer.
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> > But in terms of campaign/story, they are far, FAR superior. They rely heavily on the novels, they expand the lore even further by introducing Prometheans, great character development, looking back at old dialogues from older Halo games and making it meaningful, and finally… they changed the Chief.
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> > Chief is not the emotionless killing machine we used to know him as. He is more than that. He is a hero… but also has an Achilles Heels. Never in Bungie Halo games was his weakness ever exposed. In the past Halo games, you never felt Chief’s pain. You never witnessed him SCREAM due to pain (NOT counting when you die during gameplay)… Until 343i took over.
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> > And I love that… it makes him feel more human and relatable. And THAT changes him as a person. Chief is MORE than just a one sided/bland character.
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> > And thanks to 343i, Chief is now becoming a DYNAMIC character.
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> I don’t know. It just seems like he’s exactly the same except now he blabs more often. It’s the same dialogue as before, just more often so less meaningful. He get’s one or two moments of introspection, none of which I particularly cared for because none of which felt very interesting. “I’m a machine.” He says.
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> “Well duh!” I responded.
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> Don’t get me wrong, H4 has a good campaign, but I feel it’s on par with Bungie’s better ones. Lasky, Palmer and Halsey are great, but in my opinion, so was Johnson, Tartarus, Arbiter, Truth, Mercy and friggin’ Cortana. I don’t know how to respond to H4’s Cortana after playing the originals. Seriously. Both Keyes were kind of boring though. And Reach and Destiny were long narrative slogs. Even ODST was bland, imo.
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> It’s not that I think flawed characters are boring - it’s just that MC never had any of the “flaws” in previous games that he had in 4. Sociopath? No. Quiet, but I wouldn’t say sociopathic. Unsure about himself? He’s a freaking SPARTAN - II. Not only that, but he saved every race in the galaxy from extinction…twice…He could probably ask the UNSC for anything and they’d give it to him.
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> So no, Bungie post 2004ish isn’t good at story telling. 343i isn’t great at it, yet.

Um, MC portrayed in Halo 4 is the one we know in the novels. And of course the H4 Cortana is the way she is due 8 years of service. :slight_smile:

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> Um, MC portrayed in Halo 4 is the one we know in the novels. And of course the H4 Cortana is the way she is due 8 years of service. :slight_smile:

People keep saying this. I’ll admit - I haven’t read any of the novels so I guess I wouldn’t know. But if that is how he was portrayed in the novels, then he’s not 343’s or Bungie’s, but Eric Nylund’s. Keep in mind that according to SpartanDog1:

> 343i has no control over how the author writes their books.

Does that mean Bungie had control over how the author wrote his book? Bungie never really cared about the novels. Reach almost retconned that book entirely. Does that mean that Master Chief in Fall of Reach is an accurate representation of the character? Does that mean that Master Chief in Halo CE is an accurate representation of MC? What is an accurate representation of MC? We can’t seem to agree.

Also, I wrote like five paragraphs on Cortana explaining why that explanation didn’t do it for me. Feel free to disagree - I’m no expert on Artificial Intelligence, but dang. How does an AI stand up against the Gravemind, an ancient, horrifying, Lovecraftian pillar of literal mind-rape, and go down swinging, but completely fall apart when she gets a little old? It makes no sense to me.

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> Also, I wrote like five paragraphs on Cortana explaining why that explanation didn’t do it for me. Feel free to disagree - I’m no expert on Artificial Intelligence, but dang. How does an AI stand up against the Gravemind, an ancient, horrifying, Lovecraftian pillar of literal mind-rape, and go down swinging, but completely fall apart when she gets a little old? It makes no sense to me.

Because smart A.I.'s aren’t themselves and get out of control after 7 years because they are filled with so much knowledge they start to think themselves to death, either by sadness, anger, or envy. This has been known in the Halo lore since the beginning and talked about more in the 2003 novel First Strike.

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> Also, I wrote like five paragraphs on Cortana explaining why that explanation didn’t do it for me. Feel free to disagree - I’m no expert on Artificial Intelligence, but dang. How does an AI stand up against the Gravemind, an ancient, horrifying, Lovecraftian pillar of literal mind-rape, and go down swinging, but completely fall apart when she gets a little old? It makes no sense to me.

All Smart AIs deteriorate after 7 years. Cortana already flirted with rampancy when she was overburdened with Alpha Halo’s information, but Halsey helped her. The Gravemind affected her, but she was able to shut herself down and save herself. Then she spent 5 years in isolation alone with her thoughts and time for an AI is processed differently than how a human experiences it. Her going rampant isn’t a surprise, the surprise is she lasted as long as she did and as stable as she did and actually made it to 8 years.

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Without sprint & gimmicks

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> > 343i has no control over how the author writes their books.
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I was under the impression that 343 had much tighter control over things like the books than Bungie did. To

[quote Bonnie Ross]
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> We are a purpose-built studio, we are built for Halo. One of the things I did when I first started the studio, was to make us the steward of Halo. Bungie just managed the game and then centralized groups made the books and things. I asked, as part of bringing 343 to life, to have everything under Halo.
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> For me, that was incredibly important - I wasn’t looking at just the next Halo game, I was looking at the next 20 years of Halo. When you’re thinking about it that way, you have to think about what sandbox you’re playing in, what stories you’re going to tell - I think you have to own everything. For us, it’s about how we build that universe.

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> > We are a purpose-built studio, we are built for Halo. One of the things I did when I first started the studio, was to make us the steward of Halo. Bungie just managed the game and then centralized groups made the books and things. I asked, as part of bringing 343 to life, to have everything under Halo.
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> > For me, that was incredibly important - I wasn’t looking at just the next Halo game, I was looking at the next 20 years of Halo. When you’re thinking about it that way, you have to think about what sandbox you’re playing in, what stories you’re going to tell - I think you have to own everything. For us, it’s about how we build that universe.

Then they have no excuse for Glasslands. Sigh. 343 could’ve been a good publishing house…

> All Smart AIs deteriorate after 7 years. Cortana already flirted with rampancy when she was overburdened with Alpha Halo’s information, but Halsey helped her. The Gravemind affected her, but she was able to shut herself down and save herself. Then she spent 5 years in isolation alone with her thoughts and time for an AI is processed differently than how a human experiences it. Her going rampant isn’t a surprise, the surprise is she lasted as long as she did and as stable as she did and actually made it to 8 years.

> Because smart A.I.'s aren’t themselves and get out of control after 7 years because they are filled with so much knowledge they start to think themselves to death, either by sadness, anger, or envy. This has been known in the Halo lore since the beginning and talked about more in the 2003 novel First Strike.

I was unaware the 7 year limit on Rampancy was put in place so early in the canon. I might have cared more if I thought it was more than a hand wave. Sorry guys.

But I think right there is one of the biggest problems. Doing some research, it’s clear to me some of the more obscure parts of the Halo Universe are giving spotlight positions in Halo 4. This is great. It helps the world to feel bigger and more expansive - if I know what the heck is going on. I may have enjoyed the game more if Halo 4 offered me more of an explanation as to what the heck was going on and less sappy dialogue between Chief and Cortana. Have both if you want, but do it well, and as though treading on thin ice.

I was unaware the Didact was established as a character in 2009 and his appearance in H4 immediately resonated as “New villain cash grab,” which is unfortunate because that’s exactly what the Prometheans were. It’s not like he was portrayed any differently than the trope would, though - Space -Yoink!- in a scary costume with a messed up face controlling mindless drones and utilizing telekinesis…making comparing him to Vader nearly mandatory.

I was unaware who Lasky was and what this Infinity was until I watched Forward Unto Dawn. It would be helpful if Lasky, like, explained why they were there.

I had a vague idea of who the Storm Covenant were, but the game certainly didn’t help me with that. Just more Covenant doing nothing but getting shot at. Why did we fight the war in the first place if we’re still shooting them? I thought. After all, the game does barely anything to explain that these are just defeated fanatics. They have one line of dialogue hinting to it and that’s it. It’s almost never mentioned again. I still think the entire spectacle seemed a little contrived.

But look at me. Now this is a hate on Halo 4 thread. Sorry everyone. OT I’d like to see moar flood. I like flood.

(Props to Decepticon for the Salvor Hardin quote in the sig)

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I don’t begrudge you for feeling lost and that 343 put in so much outside material without explaining it properly because that is exactly what they did and they admitted that they could have handled it better.

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> Halo did end after Halo 3. Master Chief saved Earth and went to sleep, only to be woken when needed. Halo 4 was simply a troll story that never actually happened.

Like you said, he was woken when needed, Halo 3 even had Halo 4’s beginning cutscene, it was meant to be continued.

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> > Halo did end after Halo 3. Master Chief saved Earth and went to sleep, only to be woken when needed. Halo 4 was simply a troll story that never actually happened.
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If Chief never woke up the Didact would never have risen and New Phoenix would still be there and Halo 4 never would have happened.

Win win win.

Also, Bungie had plenty of time to make Halo 4 and they didn’t. So…

EDIT: Good lord there’s something wrong with me. MOAR Brutes. I want to see more Brutes in the next few Halo games. I thought their place in the story was cool and they were fun to fight in ODST.

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I think they need an ending where he finally can experience being human. For example siting on the beach having beer telling his children the story of his past or make him a leader of the UNSC or somthing. Screw how every single studio thinks that hero’s need to die… I wanna see 343 end this game differently.Ever heard of the term happy ending 343? I’d spread the word if you agree. Developers deffenatly look at forums to see what the community is looking for, and the more a particular topic apears the higher chance of us geting what MC deserves.

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Halo ended already. Halo 3 was the last Halo game. Now we have this other crap. I’m waiting for someone to take over the series and then have Chief wake up and the last 3 games all be a bad dream so we can get on with an actual Halo game and not one that is a mash-up of all the other generic military shooters out there.

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I wanna see halo go out with a bang.

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I don’t see a reason why halo has to end. Even if chief dies, there are so many stories to tell.

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At the garden at the beginning of the world of course. This hints at the elusive tru7h.

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> The Master Chief wakes up on the “Dawn” and tells Cortana about the crazy dream he had, and then a ship even the “Infinity” could find him and Cortana and everything is fine. Think about it, it can happen because his Armor was different and somehow different weapons were on the "Dawn.

Lol, I could see this. Cortana wakes Chief up on the Dawn, and he starts flipping out.
Cortana; “Whats wrong with you?”
Chief; “Some wierd dream. How long was I out?”
Cortana; “2 days”
Then the Spirit of Fire could show up (strange, I know), and then uses the FUD’s slipspace drive (If it was even located on the back of the ship, IDK where it would be located) to get back to Earth.

Ok, really cheesy ending but…it has more backstory than Destiny.

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Halo 3.

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> Halo 3.

Ah yes, let’s end on a poorly written cliffhanger. Sounds great, absolutely great.

Please stop these “3 wuz lazt haylo” crap.

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I would honestly hope that Halo wouldn’t end, but then it would become like Mario; a cow that’s constantly being milked. Think about it; Halo becoming like Mario? Mario started small like Halo, but became SO famous that they ran out of ideas, and now it’s getting redundant (Mario, Super Mario, Mario GOLF, Mario Tennis, Mario Galaxy, Mario Olympics, Mario Party, etc.) Halo wouldn’t be the same if that happened. The current Halo spin-offs aren’t bad luckily, but if Halo keeps going on, it may not be fun any more. Halo would end probably like Halo 3, with Chief supposedly dying with a military memorial.