Bring back Visible ranks. I know some people might think they will discourage casuals or just for e-peen. Look at Warcraft/Starcraft/LoL. These are 3 of the biggest games out there. They thrive on e-peen/visible ranks. In WoW you can tell who is elite just by looking at them. In Starcraft/LoL they have visible ranks/awards. People are not discouraged. Do some people act like -Yoinks!-? Yes but it just encourages you to get get higher. If they want to be a -Yoink- they will regardless.
Below is a link to an article that sums it up better than I can. It shows the importance of having a goal to work towards when selling a game.
As far as other stuff like AA/Sprint/etc. I am more conflicted about. Some I agree with and some I don’t. I want to keep this short so I will just address Visible ranks since it is easily the most important imo. Frankly I would like leagues like in SC2 and ranks within the league.
As for the Casuals:
If multi-player become more catered to the hardcore where do they fit in? Well just look to Warcraft 3/Starcraft 2 or WoW for your answer. You start by having a good ranking system so they are not thrown into matches where they are overwhelmed by superior players.
The main way though and most successful is to dedicate a different section towards them. In WoW this would be quests/BGs/easy raids. In SC2/Warcraft 3 it is custom games. I think you guys should do custom games.
Warcraft 3/SC2 have a great custom map scene. Years after release people were still playing Warcraft 3 for the competitve multiplayer and the custom games. Custom games were regularly updated. In fact new competitive game types were born (DOTA). DOTA was born on Warcraft 3 and today has turned into LoL (The biggest PC game).
Similarly, on Halo infection/grif ball became popular. However making maps in Forge is cumbersome, slow and limited. We need a powerful PC based map editor. We should be able to load custom skins, events, etc. You should be able to make anything from DoTA/Zombies/Campaigns/Tree-Tag/etc. Take a look at the SC2 editor and make it even better. Imagine all the great custom game types casual players could enjoy with this. Think about all the zombie maps fans could make.
Do you like Spartan Ops? Think about all the custom campaigns fans could make? Who knows maybe the next DoTA will be born on Halo!
This is how you beat COD imo. Appeal to both hardcore/casual.
If ranks will bring more and better players back, then do it.
But personally I don’t care, I just want a balanced and challenging game. Tried going back to Reach/Three but everyone was so ridiculously below my level there wasn’t any point.
> If ranks will bring more and better players back, then do it.
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> But personally I don’t care, I just want a balanced and challenging game. Tried going back to Reach/Three but everyone was <mark>so ridiculously below my level there wasn’t any point.
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> It’s not and I don’t care if you think I’m an -Yoink- for it.
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> Every match I’d go 4.00 easily. It got boring. It’s like all the competitive players of those games have moved on, unless I just haven’t invested enough time for my truskill to go up.
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> But anyways this is starting to drift off topic.
> > > If ranks will bring more and better players back, then do it.
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> > > But personally I don’t care, I just want a balanced and challenging game. Tried going back to Reach/Three but everyone was <mark>so ridiculously below my level there wasn’t any point.
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> > > I hope this was sarcasm.
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> > It’s not and I don’t care if you think I’m an -Yoink!- for it.
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> > Every match I’d go 4.00 easily. It got boring. It’s like all the competitive players of those games have moved on, <mark>unless I just haven’t invested enough time for my truskill to go up.</mark>
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> > But anyways this is starting to drift off topic.
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> You find just as good players in Halo 3 now as you did 5 years ago.
> > TLDR: Ranks for the Hardcore. Seperate playlists and 343 hosted Custom Game nights for the casuals.
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> Not exactly what I would suggest.
No I am basically suggesting a custom game browser and a powerful PC based custom game creator. Similar to the situation on Starcraft 2/Warcraft 3. Not custom game nights?
> > > TLDR: Ranks for the Hardcore. Seperate playlists and 343 hosted Custom Game nights for the casuals.
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> No I am basically suggesting a custom game browser and a powerful PC based custom game creator. Similar to the situation on Starcraft 2/Warcraft 3. Not custom game nights?
Why not just go a step further and eliminate matchmaking altogether, and replace it with a server browser?
You could always have rank locked servers like Tribes Ascend does.
Server browsers are infinitely better. They let you find whatever map and gametype you want to play and join it instead of hoping it eventually comes up and hoping people vote for it when it does.
> > > > TLDR: Ranks for the Hardcore. Seperate playlists and 343 hosted Custom Game nights for the casuals.
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> > No I am basically suggesting a custom game browser and a powerful PC based custom game creator. Similar to the situation on Starcraft 2/Warcraft 3. Not custom game nights?
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> Why not just go a step further and eliminate matchmaking altogether, and replace it with a server browser?
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> You could always have rank locked servers like Tribes Ascend does.
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> Server browsers are infinitely better. They let you find whatever map and gametype you want to play and join it instead of hoping it eventually comes up and hoping people vote for it when it does.
They had something similar to that in Warcraft 3 for custom games. The only annoying thing is sometimes they filled up instantly so you had to keep trying different servers.
Yeah it would be cool though if there were better options to choose map/gametype. I end up playing the same thing multiple times a lot.
Competitive and casual players are like a pie.The casual are the crust and the competitive are the center that the pie is named after.Without the competitive players the Halo multiplayer would be a joke to all of video gaming.Yes this is a very biased opinion, but it is MY opinion.Which i think is the most correct.I like competitive players since they actually care about how they do and can get the most results.They also are the most fun to play with and against.I feel like i’m actually playing with and against gamers.
The solution is so simple, make everything ranked and competitive.That way i get my fun Halo experience.
Joking, but seriously i don’t care about the casual’s as much as they don’t care how well they do and what competitive players want.If they want to go 2-20 that’s fine but i don’t want to be in the same lobby as them with their turned off/unplugged mic.If your on my team you ruin my gaming experience because i hate losing.If your on the enemy team then you will just make it boring.Casuals should be fine with a meager 2-3 playlists with no goal.I want fully ranked playlists with in-game ranks to show off.
That is what you call a biased opinion and view.
Now look at my post then look at the more reasonable OP that asks for a separation with ranks and playlists in a kind manner.Then look back at mine.If you don’t like being flamed for your 2-20 and whatever rank, then use the thumb you were born with and find that mute button.No excuses.
This was not a post to be mean per say.Though i wanted to express my feelings about the whole CSR/ranks and the thing between casual and competitive.It is a biased post and is also my personal view regarding the casual and competitive aspect of gaming.I also got done playing CoD in a match with a bunch of horrible players that all went negative with me at 23-8, and i am pissed off because i lost due to bad teammates.Need i more reasons for wanting there to be a separation between me and those types of players.