how to solve the playlists

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DLC players playlists (in one section)(must have all Dlc or get put with people who have bought the same DLC as you)

DLC FFA/infection
DLC Squad/invasion
DLC slayer
DLC BTB
Anversary Classic

Communitiy (add these)

Communitiy slayer
Communitiy BTB
Communitiy FFA
Action sack
Classic game mode (for those who like it I personally dont like it except from the maps)

remove

Firefight classic
the spliting of competitive into classic and evolved (there was no point nobody really cared and there was the text above saying title updated)

before some of you go saying I hate 343 I dont I love the changes they’ve done in H4 and reach (except this of course)

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I’m all for adding more playlists, however removing playlists doesn’t sound like a good idea.

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> I’m all for adding more playlists, however removing playlists doesn’t sound like a good idea.

annversary firefight is just instolation 04 over and over and if you have the dlc its the first result on score attack every time altough I do see your point

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I think they should come up with preferences for matchmaking, like if you want to play the DLC or something like that.

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The point of consolidating the playlists was to concentrate population numbers in the remaining playlists and reduce search times caused by low populations. What you are suggesting does the opposite, and would fragment the population to the point where search times would be unbearable.

If you want to suggest alternatives to the August update I would advise you to not recommend adding playlists, but rather you should suggest adding gametypes to existing playlists or increasing the weighting of DLC maps.

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> The point of consolidating the playlists was to concentrate population numbers in the remaining playlists and reduce search times caused by low populations. What you are suggesting does the opposite, and would fragment the population to the point where search times would be unbearable.
>
> If you want to suggest alternatives to the August update I would advise you to not recommend adding playlists, but rather you should suggest adding gametypes to existing playlists or increasing the weighting of DLC maps.

people who have the dlc will be the only ones with access to the dlc play lists and the community slayer/BTB playlists this would do very little to the search times since the people searching who have the dlc spend more time trying to find players with the dlc than normal players, this would give people the option to play the dlc they bought instead of being screwed and the players who dont have the dlc find people quicker because istead of matching them with people who do and then unmatching them they will find people who dont have it. plus waiting an extra 1-2 minites isnt that bad and to be perfectly honest the waiting times arent any different than before so whats the point, plus it will encourage people to buy the DLC so everyones happy

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> > The point of consolidating the playlists was to concentrate population numbers in the remaining playlists and reduce search times caused by low populations. What you are suggesting does the opposite, and would fragment the population to the point where search times would be unbearable.
> >
> > If you want to suggest alternatives to the August update I would advise you to not recommend adding playlists, but rather you should suggest adding gametypes to existing playlists or increasing the weighting of DLC maps.
>
> people who have the dlc will be the only ones with access to the dlc play lists and the community slayer/BTB playlists this would do very little to the search times since the people searching who have the dlc spend more time trying to find players with the dlc than normal players, this would give people the option to play the dlc they bought instead of being screwed and the players who dont have the dlc find people quicker because istead of matching them with people who do and then unmatching them they will find people who dont have it. plus waiting an extra 1-2 minites isnt that bad and to be perfectly honest the waiting times arent any different than before so whats the point, plus it will encourage people to buy the DLC so everyones happy

also it was only the least popular playlists which had bad loading times so why not merge them to spead it up, the popular playlists have never suffered

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I get your point about DLC players wanting to play what they paid for, but the last “all DLC required” playlist (Squad DLC) was removes specifically because it couldn’t sustain decent population numbers. It struggled to hold 300 players during peak times. Now your solution is to add 5 playlists in the place of one that couldn’t hold a decent population on its own? Do the math…it doesn’t work. You want 5 playlists with an average of 60 players during peak times? I don’t

Also, adding a filter to search specifically for people who don’t have DLC is utterly pointless, and would in no way lower search times like you seem to be suggesting.

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> I get your point about DLC players wanting to play what they paid for, but the last “all DLC required” playlist (Squad DLC) was removes specifically because it couldn’t sustain decent population numbers. It struggled to hold 300 players during peak times. Now your solution is to add 5 playlists in the place of one that couldn’t hold a decent population on its own? Do the math…it doesn’t work. You want 5 playlists with an average of 60 players during peak times? I don’t
>
> Also, adding a filter to search specifically for people who don’t have DLC is utterly pointless, and would in no way lower search times like you seem to be suggesting.

no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc

I never suggested a DLC search all I said was that the loading times are slower because the game trys to find people with the dlc first if you have the dlc so adding new playlists will counteract this and waiting an extra minute or two insnt a living nightmare so why complain and other playlists rarely get played on such as annerversary firefight and super slayer these the could easily merge
MLG and team objective have low player counts but they’re kept in because people like them so why not add DLC playlist which people want

why do you think people are complaining or not wanting to buy the dlc?
its because you cant play on it and your pretty much saying F*** you to all the people who paid good money including myself

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> > I get your point about DLC players wanting to play what they paid for, but the last “all DLC required” playlist (Squad DLC) was removes specifically because it couldn’t sustain decent population numbers. It struggled to hold 300 players during peak times. Now your solution is to add 5 playlists in the place of one that couldn’t hold a decent population on its own? Do the math…it doesn’t work. You want 5 playlists with an average of 60 players during peak times? I don’t
> >
> > Also, adding a filter to search specifically for people who don’t have DLC is utterly pointless, and would in no way lower search times like you seem to be suggesting.
>
> no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc
>
> I never suggested a DLC search all I said was that the loading times are slower because the game trys to find people with the dlc first if you have the dlc so adding new playlists will counteract this and waiting an extra minute or two insnt a living nightmare so why complain and other playlists rarely get played on such as annerversary firefight and super slayer these the could easily merge
> MLG and team objective have low player counts but they’re kept in because people like them so why not add DLC playlist which people want
>
> why do you think people are complaining or not wanting to buy the dlc?
> its because you cant play on it and your pretty much saying F*** you to all the people who paid good money including myself

Listen, in the end, Squad DLC was removed due to its god awful population, it could barely hit 300 at peak times, and it was as low as the 40’s during the quiet times on Reach.

Adding the playlists you are suggesting is just going to split those 300 or so players up, resulting in slow search times on each and every playlist related to DLC.

Let me also just link to this tweet.

> we won’t be adding playlists at this point in the game’s life.

It isn’t happening.

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> no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc

I have to ask - how often did YOU play Squad DLC? Because it was definitely more than pure slayer.

Most people aren’t going to buy the DLC at this point in Reach’s lifespan if they haven’t already. It’s time to consolidate the lists and the population, not spread it out even more. Making one or two playlists DLC required is one thing but you can’t take half the hopper space for DLC playlists when practically no one has the DLC.

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> > no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc
>
> I have to ask - how often did YOU play Squad DLC? Because it was definitely more than pure slayer.
>
> Most people aren’t going to buy the DLC at this point in Reach’s lifespan if they haven’t already. It’s time to consolidate the lists and the population, not spread it out even more. Making one or two playlists DLC required is one thing but you can’t take half the hopper space for DLC playlists when practically no one has the DLC.

well at the very least the could add one playlist with 12 players and you could play BTB/Slayer/FFA/Invasion like the did with the noble/ defiant dlc playlist which was really popular

and I played squad dlc enough and I admit my statement earlier was wrong but the objective game modes rarely showed up.

if you looked at how many people played annerversary, noble and defiant back when they were released that ammount of players was about the total of half of todays players so according to you no-one has the dlc and still why screw people who bought the dlc anyway

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> > > no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc
> >
> > I have to ask - how often did YOU play Squad DLC? Because it was definitely more than pure slayer.
> >
> > Most people aren’t going to buy the DLC at this point in Reach’s lifespan if they haven’t already. It’s time to consolidate the lists and the population, not spread it out even more. Making one or two playlists DLC required is one thing but you can’t take half the hopper space for DLC playlists when practically no one has the DLC.
>
> well at the very least the could add one playlist with 12 players and you could play BTB/Slayer/FFA/Invasion like the did with the noble/ defiant dlc playlist which was really popular

But…that is exactly what Squad DLC was, minus the FFA. They can’t have FFA and team games in the same hopper. And that very same playlist you want back had barely 400 people in it on good days.

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> > > > no one played squad slayer because it was purely slayer and remember that there was annversary playlists on so add them both together and you have more people and this will also encourage players to buy the dlc
> > >
> > > I have to ask - how often did YOU play Squad DLC? Because it was definitely more than pure slayer.
> > >
> > > Most people aren’t going to buy the DLC at this point in Reach’s lifespan if they haven’t already. It’s time to consolidate the lists and the population, not spread it out even more. Making one or two playlists DLC required is one thing but you can’t take half the hopper space for DLC playlists when practically no one has the DLC.
> >
> > well at the very least the could add one playlist with 12 players and you could play BTB/Slayer/FFA/Invasion like the did with the noble/ defiant dlc playlist which was really popular
>
> But…that is exactly what Squad DLC was, minus the FFA. They can’t have FFA and team games in the same hopper. And that very same playlist you want back had barely 400 people in it on good days.

there was the annerversary playlists running at the same time of squad dlc which took half the players away.
And you can have FFA for example living dead has 12 players and its FFA and for team games you could have it as 6v6
I admit squad dlc didnt have many players but the noble, defiant and annerversary playlists did so why not add them all back as one or in the way I suggested in the OP

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You do realize that a good number of people in the Anniversary playlists were playing off the CEA disc which means they COULDN’T play in the Squad playlist, right?

Again, they cannot have a 12 person lobby and mix and match FFA and Team games. Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? It’s one or the other.

And I think you’re misremembering the population of the Noble and Defiant playlists. Those were playlists for the individual map packs, they never carried a huge population either.

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> You do realize that a good number of people in the Anniversary playlists were playing off the CEA disc which means they COULDN’T play in the Squad playlist, right?
>
> Again, they cannot have a 12 person lobby and mix and match FFA and Team games. Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? It’s one or the other.
>
> And I think you’re misremembering the population of the Noble and Defiant playlists. Those were playlists for the individual map packs, they never carried a huge population either.

10,000 is small is it and how cant it be done its simple FFA 12 players and 6v6 for team games its probably just been done beacause most people would want to play one or the other it isnt extremey complicated to make it like in custom games if you change the game mode from FFA to a team game it automatically makes two teams so its clearly not impossible

the only reason that it would be impossible is that a small bit of code editing and scripting would have to be made to make this happen which is unlikely with halo 4 just around the corner and even then a playlist for FFA and one for team games wouldnt require much effort

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> > You do realize that a good number of people in the Anniversary playlists were playing off the CEA disc which means they COULDN’T play in the Squad playlist, right?
> >
> > Again, they cannot have a 12 person lobby and mix and match FFA and Team games. Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? It’s one or the other.
> >
> > And I think you’re misremembering the population of the Noble and Defiant playlists. Those were playlists for the individual map packs, they never carried a huge population either.
>
> <mark>10,000 is small is it</mark> and how cant it be done its simple FFA 12 players and 6v6 for team games its probably just been done beacause most people would want to play one or the other it isnt extremey complicated to make it like in custom games if you change the game mode from FFA to a team game it automatically makes two teams so its clearly not impossible
>
> the only reason that it would be impossible is that a small bit of code editing and scripting would have to be made to make this happen which is unlikely with halo 4 just around the corner and even then a playlist for FFA and one for team games wouldnt require much effort

As in the Noble & Defiant playlists?

Those were as dead as Squad DLC was a few weeks after they were options.

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> > > You do realize that a good number of people in the Anniversary playlists were playing off the CEA disc which means they COULDN’T play in the Squad playlist, right?
> > >
> > > Again, they cannot have a 12 person lobby and mix and match FFA and Team games. Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? It’s one or the other.
> > >
> > > And I think you’re misremembering the population of the Noble and Defiant playlists. Those were playlists for the individual map packs, they never carried a huge population either.
> >
> > <mark>10,000 is small is it</mark> and how cant it be done its simple FFA 12 players and 6v6 for team games its probably just been done beacause most people would want to play one or the other it isnt extremey complicated to make it like in custom games if you change the game mode from FFA to a team game it automatically makes two teams so its clearly not impossible
> >
> > the only reason that it would be impossible is that a small bit of code editing and scripting would have to be made to make this happen which is unlikely with halo 4 just around the corner and even then a playlist for FFA and one for team games wouldnt require much effort
>
> As in the Noble & Defiant playlists?
>
> Those were as dead as Squad DLC was a few weeks after they were options.

when I was playing they were quite popular and that was from release to 6 months

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> the only reason that it would be impossible is that a small bit of code editing and scripting would have to be made to make this happen which is unlikely with halo 4 just around the corner and even then a playlist for FFA and one for team games wouldnt require much effort

“It’s possible! But it’s not!” Is what you just said. NONE of the Halo games have had a split option like that. It’s either teams, or it’s FFA.

Of course Reach had much higher population closer to launch and only one DLC map pack. But as time went on, people moved on to other games and stopped buying DLC. The DLC only playlists did not have 10k people in them.

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> > > > You do realize that a good number of people in the Anniversary playlists were playing off the CEA disc which means they COULDN’T play in the Squad playlist, right?
> > > >
> > > > Again, they cannot have a 12 person lobby and mix and match FFA and Team games. Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? It’s one or the other.
> > > >
> > > > And I think you’re misremembering the population of the Noble and Defiant playlists. Those were playlists for the individual map packs, they never carried a huge population either.
> > >
> > > <mark>10,000 is small is it</mark> and how cant it be done its simple FFA 12 players and 6v6 for team games its probably just been done beacause most people would want to play one or the other it isnt extremey complicated to make it like in custom games if you change the game mode from FFA to a team game it automatically makes two teams so its clearly not impossible
> > >
> > > the only reason that it would be impossible is that a small bit of code editing and scripting would have to be made to make this happen which is unlikely with halo 4 just around the corner and even then a playlist for FFA and one for team games wouldnt require much effort
> >
> > As in the Noble & Defiant playlists?
> >
> > Those were as dead as Squad DLC was a few weeks after they were options.
>
> when I was playing they were quite popular and that was from release to 6 months

I thoroughly looked through your games and Im sure snickerdoodle is right to ask you about how much you played Squad DLC let alone All DLC playlist.

Premium Battle-5(Matches)
Premium Slayer-3
Anniversary Classic-7
Anniversary Squad-6
Anniversary BTB-24
Anniverssary FFA-7
Defiant Map Pack-34
Noble Map Pack-46

Ridgeline-16 (Matches)
Last Played-8/16/12
Previous Game-2/26/2012

Highlands-25
Last Played 6/3/2012
Previous Game(s)-2/1/2012, 7/30/2011, 4/22/2012

Breakpoint-25
Last Played 4/22/2012
Previous Game 6/9/2011
1st Game 12/14/2010

Anchor 9-15
Last Played 7/31/2011
Previous Game(s)-4/22/11

Condemned-18
Last Game 1/27/2012
First Game-3/25/2011

Solitary-10
Last Played 8/14/2012
Previous Game-2/7/2012

Breakneck-12
Last Game 8/15
Previous Game(s)-7/21/2012, 4/17.2012

Tempest-16
Lat Game-4/14/2011

Pinnacle-10
Last Game-8/18/2012
Previous Game-2/27/2012

Battle Canyon-4
Last Played-8/14/2012
Previous Game 2/4/2012

Highnoon-10
Last Played-8/14/2012
Previous Games(s) 4/14/12, 1/22/2012

Solitary-10
Last Played-8/14/2012
Previous Game-2/7/2012

Breakneck-12
Last Played-8/15/2012
Previous Game(s)-7/21/2012, 4/17/2012, 1/22/2012

Ridgeline-16
Last Played-8/16/2012
Previous Game-2/26/2012, 1/22/2012

You clearly did not play the DLC that much when they had DLC Playlist. Either you made no effort to playing those DLC playlist or for another reason but you had the maps at or near launch for Noble and Defiant probably Anniversary too. You are shouting at 343 to bring back something for the last 9 months and previous 12 months you barely went into to play. You have huge gaps of months between DLC games.

Your situation is probably most similar to others who are mad about the update. They barely played the DLC playlists.

EDIT: added a few mor DLC.