Halo 4 already has fast enough kill times, especially with the inclusion of everyone having sprint and instant respawn. I’d suggest to slightly nerf the other primary weapons that rival the BR instead of making it a 4sk.
DMR - This weapon from what I’ve observed has a high rate of fire and very little bloom. What about slightly decreasing it’s ROF and increasing the bloom while un-scoped, but have faster receding bloom while scoped, which would fit it’s long range nitch nicely.
Carbine - It could receive a slight increase in recoil so it’d be harder to master, also maybe lessen the clip by one or two shots.
I’m just going to leave the automatic weapons out because I believe they’re fine, the AR actually looks useful now! So to conclude, slightly nerfing the other weapons would bring a decent balance to the game, if the BR was changed to 4sk, it’d be the go-to weapon of Halo 4, there’s no denying that.
While I am not particularly bothered about the BR kill times I have to say surely it is a lot easier to simply boost the BR rather than nerf all it’s opponents?
I think the answer is to make it a 4sk, but only if all 12 bullets hit the head. in H3 it only took ten bullets. Three bursts to drop the shields and a single headshot to finish. If it was made so that if you miss a single bullet it becomes at best a 5sk it woud be fine, because at long range, chances are you’ll miss one or two. This also means that DMR is still better than BR at range.
> Halo 4 already has fast enough kill times, especially with in inclusion of everyone having sprint and instant respawn. I’d suggest to slightly nerf the other primary weapons that rival the BR instead of making it a 4sk.
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> DMR - This weapon from what I’ve observed has a high rate of fire and very little bloom. What about slightly decreasing it’s ROF and increasing the bloom while un-scoped, but have faster receding bloom while scoped, which would fit it’s long range nitch nicely.
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> Carbine - It could receive a slight increase in recoil so it’d be harder to master, also maybe lessen the clip by one or two shots.
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> I’m just going to leave the automatic weapons out because I believe they’re fine, the AR actually looks useful now! So to conclude, slightly nerfing the other weapons would bring a decent balance to the game, if the BR was changed to 4sk, it’d be the go-to weapon of Halo 4, there’s no denying that.
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> Thoughts/ suggestions?
Sprint and instant respawn have nothing to do with kill times. Those only have to do with mobility, and the speed at which a player can get back into the game. The power of the weapons is completely independent of that.
Second of all, nerfing the two other utility weapons in order to match the BR isn’t a good idea. A much better solution would be to bring the BR up to equal the Carbine and DMR, while having different distinguishing features (similar to what you mentioned) in order to give them all a unique role.
Never, ever, take kill times for granted. Slow kill times could be a nail in the coffin of Halo 4, especially as it pertains to most gamers.
I agree with the other guys in the thread. Why would you want to slow down the kill times across the board?, the other weapons are fine as is. It would be better to buff the BR.
Why nerf multiple weapons when you can buff just 1? It doesn’t make it any more powerful than the other precision weapons. Based on all available information making the BR a Four shot would balance the BR/DMR/Carbine near perfectly. The BR would be powerful but it would have a near identical killtime to the DMR but because of its spread it is not as effective at long range, but good shots will serve you well at long range.
The DMR would be powerful at long range but by its nature of being a slower single shot weapon it is harder to use at close range. But if your shot is on target you can be as effective as the BR
The Carbine has a faster overall killtime, with high rof and accuracy but its higher DPS comes at the cost of Magazine size so you can only get two perfect kill at the most.
Seems pretty balanced to me. It just also happens to be a solution that fits with the BRs personality and satisfies BR fans as well as fans of balance like myself.
> Nerfing the other guns is a bad idea.
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> An increase to the BR’s magazine size would be a good start, but the gun should really be a 4SK.
There’s a problem with making it 4sk. You do that, then what’s the point in the DMR? The TTK would be more, and it’d be worse in closer engagements. As it stands, the weapons are pretty much balanced. You have the longer ranged DMR, the easier to use (though lacking TTK) Carbine, and the Mid-ranged BR. It’s niche is filled, and it works. Making hte BR 4sk would completely throw everything against the wall.
> As it stands, the weapons are pretty much balanced.
A 5SK BR can’t compete against any CQC weapons in CQC and is currently outclassed by every other ranged weapon. It’s useless right now and that’s not balance.
> > Nerfing the other guns is a bad idea.
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> > An increase to the BR’s magazine size would be a good start, but the gun should really be a 4SK.
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> There’s a problem with making it 4sk. You do that, then what’s the point in the DMR? The TTK would be more, and it’d be worse in closer engagements. As it stands, the weapons are pretty much balanced. You have the longer ranged DMR, the easier to use (though lacking TTK) Carbine, and the Mid-ranged BR. It’s niche is filled, and it works. Making hte BR 4sk would completely throw everything against the wall.
The BR has spread that limits the weapon the farther out you get. The DMR can still reliably hit targets almost cross map. It would be matched by the Carbine and BR at medium range, beaten by the AR at close range, but reign supreme at long range. Giving the weapon a purpose without it controlling everything.
> Why is everyone trying to Overpower the BR? Or Nerf other weapons to make the BR more dominant?
Because right now, the BR is worthless. There is 0 reason to pick it outside of ignorance or blind nostalgia. Buffing the BR will not make it OP, it will still kill slower than the Carbine, and not be able to reach out as far as the DMR. It would be perfectly balanced.