How to adapt to Halo 5 from Halo 4?

After logging in roughly 250+ hours into Halo 4 online, much like jumping from Reach to 4, going from Halo 4 to Halo 5 is an entirely new experience that should be treated as such. Do not expect the same results as you did regardless of how well you did in the past. This is an entirely new game with new fundamentals and style.

Halo 4 held your hand compared to Halo 5.

ordinance drop
343i said ordinance drops reduced camping, but what a lot of Halo vets argued was that ordinance drops ruined the importance of map control in the past Halo games. You can be randomly rewarded with a power weapon, power up, or nothing much useful, without having to control the map. This system doesn’t reward the teamwork and coordination needed for map control from the Halo games in the past.

In Halo 5, where power weapons now have a timer on them, encourages map control since players will gravitate to those areas to get those power weapons or power ups. This means map control once again is important and running around aimlessly is punished.

shield recharge
Your shields recharged in Halo 4 during sprint which means you can get away with a lot of mistakes. In Halo 5, your shields do not recharge if you sprint. It’s a high risk/high reward if you decide to sprint since you may be picked off easily or get barely be able to get away. If you decide to sit behind cover, you take the risk of being naded. Halo 5 encourages the player to find an escape route in the map. These maps, especially with new abilities like thrusting, sliding, and clambering, have so many options to get from one point to another. Be creative.

Radar/Promethean vision
While the radar has been 25m in past Halo games, Halo 4 introduced Promethean vision which gave players even more reason to play defensively in addition to the 25m radar. At this radar range, it was possible to play a majority of the game by just watching your radar and reacting to it. On top of that, with Promethean vision, you can spam the ability to allow you to see even further than your radar which encouraged even more camping and defensive play. Other spartan abilities such as hard light shield, camouflage, hologram, and regen field to an extent also encouraged defensive play.

In Halo 5, the radar has been reduced to 18m, which makes sense. You should only look at your radar in anticipating close range fights. You should be looking and hearing what is going on in your surroundings in mid range fights. Reducing the radar encourages movement, pushing the pace, and being on the offensive. Even though Halo 5’s radar has been decreased, 343i has given tools to make players more aware of their surroundings. Spartan abilities such as spartan charge and ground pound make very distinct noises which can be anticipated. Grenade hit markers and Spartan chatter give players valuable information where the other team is. The carnage report above your radar lets you know who has what weapons and who is spawning. When you get hit, a marker appears on around your reticle shows the direction the shot was fired from. All these new features make up for the decreased radar, it lets the player be more aware of what is going on without having to rely on radar.

Camouflage
This spartan ability was a loadout instead of a powerup in Halo Reach and Halo 4. Since multiple people can use this ability, it become more of a nuisance than a game changer in past Halo games. In earlier Halo games, getting the camo could have the potential to change the entire momentum of the game. Bringing it back in Halo 5 means that power ups are just as important as power weapons.

In short, Halo 4 was about defensive, slower paced game play where one person could carry an entire team, especially if he got a lucky ordinance drop since there is less reliance on map control and therefore less teamwork. In Halo 5, map control and team work is more important again. It’s harder for one player to carry a team and with the reduced radar, offensive and mobility is encouraged. I welcome all the changes in Halo 5, THANK YOU 343i.

People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.

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> People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.

They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community and were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.

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> They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.

I beg to differ. H5 is much more competitive to h5 and goes back to what made halo to me.

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> > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.

well, the gameplay is on point. on the the other hand, the lack of features (map veto, post game stat report, etc) and playlists (a long list of missing playlists that were standard at previous halo launch) is disappointing. Not sure if it was a decision made by 343i as a ground up “reboot” for current gen to start from the basics and over time add more features and maps through feedback and testing.

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> > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.

You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.

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> > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.

Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created

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> > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> well, the gameplay is on point. on the the other hand, the lack of features (map veto, post game stat report, etc) and playlists (a long list of missing playlists that were standard at previous halo launch) is disappointing. Not sure if it was a decision made by 343i as a ground up “reboot” for current gen to start from the basics and over time add more features and maps through feedback and testing.

Map veto isn’t to big imo and they got rid of map voting cuz same maps were played over and over(same still happens even without player voting). We can still see post game stats unless you’re wanting a more detailed version which I can understand but not a huge less. My only issue with h5 is lack of playlists and game types, other than that the story sucked.

Also if your stuck and unused to the Halo 5 controls in the settings there is Halo 4 controls

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> > > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> > You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.
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> Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created

It’s not classic halo. There’s sprint, clamber, ground pound, pretty much it’s all gimmicks is what you’ll see him say. It’s not a “proper” halo game. Can’t remember if it was him or not but people say it’d be a good game without halo in its name, but with halo as the name, it’s not a good halo game to them. I disagree but each has their view of what halo is.

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> People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.

True. Im friending u too for that.

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> > > > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > > > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > > > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> > > You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.
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> > Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created
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> It’s not classic halo. There’s sprint, clamber, ground pound, pretty much it’s all gimmicks is what you’ll see him say. It’s not a “proper” halo game. Can’t remember if it was him or not but people say it’d be a good game without halo in its name, but with halo as the name, it’s not a good halo game to them. I disagree but each has their view of what halo is.

I don’t like how the word gimmick is thrown around, it’s like anything different from a previous game is gimmick:
Halo CE -> Halo 2: dual wielding, health recharge, play as an Elite
Halo 2 -> Halo 3: equipment (bubble shield, proximity mines, etc), customize-able armor, veto system
Halo 3 -> Halo Reach: HUD system, armor abilties, 3D motion senor, assassinations, spartan gender, armor permutations (grunt birthday party, etc

These are all gimmicks at the time. If you really want Halo, then stay in Halo CE. If you can’t accept the fact that things change over time, then of course Halo 5 would seem gimmicky, but in reality, every game since Halo CE had gimmicks.

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> After logging in roughly 250+ hours into Halo 4 online, much like jumping from Reach to 4, going from Halo 4 to Halo 5 is an entirely new experience that should be treated as such. Do not expect the same results as you did regardless of how well you did in the past. This is an entirely new game with new fundamentals and style.
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> Halo 4 held your hand compared to Halo 5.
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> ordinance drop
> 343i said ordinance drops reduced camping, but what a lot of Halo vets argued was that ordinance drops ruined the importance of map control in the past Halo games. You can be randomly rewarded with a power weapon, power up, or nothing much useful, without having to control the map. This system doesn’t reward the teamwork and coordination needed for map control from the Halo games in the past.
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> In Halo 5, where power weapons now have a timer on them, encourages map control since players will gravitate to those areas to get those power weapons or power ups. This means map control once again is important and running around aimlessly is punished.
>
> shield recharge
> Your shields recharged in Halo 4 during sprint which means you can get away with a lot of mistakes. In Halo 5, your shields do not recharge if you sprint. It’s a high risk/high reward if you decide to sprint since you may be picked off easily or get barely be able to get away. If you decide to sit behind cover, you take the risk of being naded. Halo 5 encourages the player to find an escape route in the map. These maps, especially with new abilities like thrusting, sliding, and clambering, have so many options to get from one point to another. Be creative.
>
> Radar/Promethean vision
> While the radar has been 25m in past Halo games, Halo 4 introduced Promethean vision which gave players even more reason to play defensively in addition to the 25m radar. At this radar range, it was possible to play a majority of the game by just watching your radar and reacting to it. On top of that, with Promethean vision, you can spam the ability to allow you to see even further than your radar which encouraged even more camping and defensive play. Other spartan abilities such as hard light shield, camouflage, hologram, and regen field to an extent also encouraged defensive play.
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> In Halo 5, the radar has been reduced to 18m, which makes sense. You should only look at your radar in anticipating close range fights. You should be looking and hearing what is going on in your surroundings in mid range fights. Reducing the radar encourages movement, pushing the pace, and being on the offensive. Even though Halo 5’s radar has been decreased, 343i has given tools to make players more aware of their surroundings. Spartan abilities such as spartan charge and ground pound make very distinct noises which can be anticipated. Grenade hit markers and Spartan chatter give players valuable information where the other team is. The carnage report above your radar lets you know who has what weapons and who is spawning. When you get hit, a marker appears on around your reticle shows the direction the shot was fired from. All these new features make up for the decreased radar, it lets the player be more aware of what is going on without having to rely on radar.
>
> Camouflage
> This spartan ability was a loadout instead of a powerup in Halo Reach and Halo 4. Since multiple people can use this ability, it become more of a nuisance than a game changer in past Halo games. In earlier Halo games, getting the camo could have the potential to change the entire momentum of the game. Bringing it back in Halo 5 means that power ups are just as important as power weapons.
>
> In short, Halo 4 was about defensive, slower paced game play where one person could carry an entire team, especially if he got a lucky ordinance drop since there is less reliance on map control and therefore less teamwork. In Halo 5, map control and team work is more important again. It’s harder for one player to carry a team and with the reduced radar, offensive and mobility is encouraged. I welcome all the changes in Halo 5, THANK YOU 343i.

Agreed with all of this man, I thought all those Halo 4 abilities and what not were fine in campaign but not in multiplayer.

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> Agreed with all of this man, I thought all those Halo 4 abilities and what not were fine in campaign but not in multiplayer.

Yeah, strictly speaking about multiplayer. As for campaign, it’s whatever. :smiley:

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> > > > > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > > > >
> > > > > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > > > > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> > > >
> > > > You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.
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> > > Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created
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> > It’s not classic halo. There’s sprint, clamber, ground pound, pretty much it’s all gimmicks is what you’ll see him say. It’s not a “proper” halo game. Can’t remember if it was him or not but people say it’d be a good game without halo in its name, but with halo as the name, it’s not a good halo game to them. I disagree but each has their view of what halo is.
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> I don’t like how the word gimmick is thrown around, it’s like anything different from a previous game is gimmick:
> Halo CE → Halo 2: dual wielding, health recharge, play as an Elite
> Halo 2 → Halo 3: equipment (bubble shield, proximity mines, etc), customize-able armor, veto system
> Halo 3 → Halo Reach: HUD system, armor abilties, 3D motion senor, assassinations, spartan gender, armor permutations (grunt birthday party, etc
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> These are all gimmicks at the time. If you really want Halo, then stay in Halo CE. If you can’t accept the fact that things change over time, then of course Halo 5 would seem gimmicky, but in reality, every game since Halo CE had gimmicks.

Except those gimmicks, with the exceptions of dual wielding and armor abilities, didn’t negatively impact Halo’s gameplay. Who wouldn’t want to customize their own armor? 3D motion sensor enhanced the game without negatively changing the game, unlike Spartan Abilities, which take control away from the player, all in the name of lore. Using lore to make bad changes to the gameplay doesn’t justify those bad changes.

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> > > > > > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > > > > > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.
> > > >
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> > > > Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created
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> > > It’s not classic halo. There’s sprint, clamber, ground pound, pretty much it’s all gimmicks is what you’ll see him say. It’s not a “proper” halo game. Can’t remember if it was him or not but people say it’d be a good game without halo in its name, but with halo as the name, it’s not a good halo game to them. I disagree but each has their view of what halo is.
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> > I don’t like how the word gimmick is thrown around, it’s like anything different from a previous game is gimmick:
> > Halo CE → Halo 2: dual wielding, health recharge, play as an Elite
> > Halo 2 → Halo 3: equipment (bubble shield, proximity mines, etc), customize-able armor, veto system
> > Halo 3 → Halo Reach: HUD system, armor abilties, 3D motion senor, assassinations, spartan gender, armor permutations (grunt birthday party, etc
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> > These are all gimmicks at the time. If you really want Halo, then stay in Halo CE. If you can’t accept the fact that things change over time, then of course Halo 5 would seem gimmicky, but in reality, every game since Halo CE had gimmicks.
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> Except those gimmicks, with the exceptions of dual wielding and armor abilities, didn’t negatively impact Halo’s gameplay. Who wouldn’t want to customize their own armor? 3D motion sensor enhanced the game without negatively changing the game, unlike Spartan Abilities, which take control away from the player, all in the name of lore. Using lore to make bad changes to the gameplay doesn’t justify those bad changes.

to each their own. what I’m mainly focusing on anyway is going from Halo 4 to Halo 5

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> People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.

Sprint not being removed… Maybe an oversight?

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> Sprint not being removed… Maybe an oversight?

Some see it as a mistake and some don’t. If they take it out, one half of the community will complain. If they leave it in, the other half will complain.

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> > > > > People need to read this when they say how much halo 5 sucks. Well said, OP. 343 corrected a ton of their mistakes.
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> > > >
> > > > They corrected a ton of mistakes that went against the community were entirely their fault… and then created a slew of new ones.
> > > > 343 hasn’t learned -Yoink-.
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> > > You should watch BDobbinsFTW’s review of Halo 5. I think he explains pretty well why it’s a vast improvement over Halo 4 and a strong entree into the franchise.
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> > Didn’t watch, but I’m interested in hearing Erik L’s explanation of the new mistakes 343i has created
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> It’s not classic halo. There’s sprint, clamber, ground pound, pretty much it’s all gimmicks is what you’ll see him say. It’s not a “proper” halo game. Can’t remember if it was him or not but people say it’d be a good game without halo in its name, but with halo as the name, it’s not a good halo game to them. I disagree but each has their view of what halo is.

Bingo.

I miss the Spartan abilities from Halo 4. Made my Spartan feel unique.