So the Banished are the one who destroyed the Guardian on Zeta Halo, but how is that even possible ? And how the Banished could have resist on Doisac so well that Cortana was forced to destroyed the planet ?
I am very interesting to understand how could anyone fight a Guardian, an immense ship able to desactivate any ship or weapon, and how a war is even possible against the Created
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These are all great questions. They really sort of just brushed the Created right off the board and moved on
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There are ways of defeating the Guardians in the books. Obviously the Infinity was able to avoid one. Also in a book an Engineer was able to deactivate a Guardian.
However, neither of those examples should apply to Doisac. The planet can’t exactly run away. It’s precisely the sort of set piece battle that should be an easy win for Cortana.
Whilst the Guardian being potentially vulnerable to engineers shouldn’t have been a factor because, they were able to use their lethal weaponry to destroy the planet. So why would the EMP not have that effect?
My guess is that the rationalisation will be that the Banished developed some sort of counter measure which prevented their fleets and armies being immediately destroyed by the EMP. In Halo 5 you saw all of Earths fleet and Mac guns go down; why would this not cripple the Brutes?
Alternatively it could be that, yeah the Banished lost thousands of ships and millions of soldiers to the Guardians EMP but Atriox went full Stalin and demanded not one step backwards. Now, this poses problems. Per the Encyclopedia Earth wasn’t able to get an effective resistance. Why do we have a different outcome on Earth? How could any organised defence work with advanced technology crippled by the Guardians? Wouldn’t any fight like that quickly turn into a massacre when you’re fighting, oh I don’t know, hyper advanced Forerunner contracts, with teleport technology and led by an advanced AI? Yes, 343 could insist that the Brutes are that dangerous and that Cortana doesn’t have that many soldiers. But you’re stretching believability. Why do the Banished, a small pirate faction nobody noticed, able to have the mass to fight that kind of apocalyptic war?
To be fair we don’t know why the Guardian on Zeta was destroyed. That could have been the ring detonation or it simply deactivated once Cortana was (presumably) cut off from the Domain or died.
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Well I hope they will give a good explanation one day because it’s really weird (in one or five years lol). The only logic explanation I can see is that Atriox is helped by a secret forerunner AI, otherwise 343 take us for idiots
Even for the scenario, the facts that Cortana destroyed Doisac was useless (especially annonced in hologram lol). First, it’s not like it’s going to change their behavior, they were cruel pirates before and they’re still cruel pirates after. Atriox would have attack the Halo without Doisac destruction. Then, this act only demonizes Cortana : she was suppose to bring peace, even if this wasn’t a good way to do it. Now, she only bring madness and genocide, her name is cursed for ever in the Halo universe
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Doisac was destroyed simply because of Atriox’s defiance of submission to Cortana. She pretty much used the planet as an extreme show of force.
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On the Guardian, Cortana’s destruction caused all Guardians to be deactivated. The Banished never destroyed it. The reason why Atriox was able to get to Cortana was because, at first, he was there because Cortana tried to bring him over to her side. After the ambush of the Infinity though, Cortana was locked down and presumably unable to activate the Guardian over Zeta Halo.
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I wouldn’t call the Created conflict a war. All we’ve seen so far is the UNSC running away from and avoiding the Created. The only time there’s fighting between the two is when the UNSC has to fight the Prometheans and even then they’re only doing so to be able to run away before a Guardian shows up. This isn’t like the Covenant War where the UNSC is trying to defend their colonies from being glassed. They’ve already lost.
Thanks for your answer but it still doesn’t seems logical to me :
1 So Doisac would have been totally under Created controlled, but like Atriox was still on the run, she destroy Doisac to punish him ? Hopefully she didn’t do the same with Infinity and Earth. But I heard that the new encyclopedia said that the brutes on Doisac were actually resist to the Created.
2 So if the commander of the Guardian die, the Guardians fall appart ? That don’t seem really logic, a ship just don’t explode because the AI who command it is destroy. In the book “Halo Legacy of Onyx”, a Guardian is disconnected from the Domain and Cortana and he is turn off, but he isn’t destroyed by the lack of connection
3 Totally agree, everybody have lost or was on the run. But Doisac wasn’t running away, a genocide was very too much for someone who is trying to bring universal peace
I really couldn’t tell you why all the Guardians went offline due to her death. I’d assume it was because she didn’t trust the Warden Eternal all that much and shutting them down was her fail safe. I have no doubt that the Brutes were fighting back against the Created, but I think Cortana’s main reasoning behind it was because she wanted to show Atriox that doing anything but serving her wasn’t a good idea and, if you think about it, it was also a strategic move by killing literally millions of potential recruits for the Banished. And yes, she was trying to bring about universal peace, but she also said to any who oppose her there would be great wrath. She wanted there to be peace, but you apparently gotta blow up a couple of planets for that to happen lol
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Indeed a programmed destruction of the Guardians would have been the best way to prevent any betray from the Warden Eternal or the other AI.
As for Doisac, a simple Guardian would have paralysed every brutes and prevent the Banished to recruit new soldiers.
Killing everyone in one time only give Atriox more reason to fight her, but if she had destroyed city after city, Atriox would have more reason to give up for the good of his people. But Cortana wasn’t so logic after all, the problem came more from her rampancy
It was destroyed because Atriox took control of the planet and made it the capital of his empire. His plan was to use its armies to take Zeta Halo and secure the secrets of the Xalanyn; with which he could conquer galaxy.
Apparently, for reasons that will remain lost to the sands of time, the EMP and army of teleporting Prometheans couldn’t deal with the Brutes. Because to 343 Atriox is such a badass.
So Cortana tried to kill Atriox and the Brutes to stop them destroying the Galaxy with Halo. Saves us the trouble of shooting them all on Zeta. I mean that would be at least season 4 of Halo Infinite to get 12.5 billion of them.
In the Encyclopedia it’s mentioned that only Cortana could control Guardians. But, it’s not at all clear that they deactivate if she’s not the one controlling them. They could just be acting automatically as each one has its own aloof and independent AI; they aren’t drones.
Yeah it’s a war of resistance. The Created occupied Earth and most human worlds. The Encyclopedia does mention resistance cells on Earth and presumably other worlds. The vagueness and lack of detail on the “Created Rebellion” is because of all the politics around Halo 5 and this clear desire to start over with the story.
I think it’s going to be a long time before any of this is clarified TBH and they haven’t given us much to work with.
I am not sure why people give Cortana such a hard time over Doisac but the Banished get a pass for conquering the Galaxy. Is Atriox going to have to destroy Earth before people think he might be a bit of a mean guy? We already had his two lackeys torture a sympathetic character and had him butcher civilians on the Ark for no reason; you’d think this would clue people in.
Rubicon better have a really really really good explanation haha.
This brush aside main plot points approach is bad enough with answers being in aux material but when its also a bad conclusion it really makes the franchise less appealing.
Sadly 343i think characters who play a role in the halo universe like halsey, john and atiox are actuallywhat the universe revolves around. They are determined to make the universe feel small and the conflicts it holds trivial in the face of its uber cool super hero an/protagonists who are mostly just cool in books and not even center stage in the games…
I am not holding my breath for Rubicon or the Vale book. Even in Halo Bad Blood which is ostensibly a direct follow on to Halo 5 that’s meant to deal with the Created takeover it barely goes into how the war is being fought or how the Created occupation goes. It’s one of those stories where the characters don’t ask or think the questions I am asking.
Like in Shadows of Reach the Banished don’t give a dam about Cortana being a thing owning the Galaxy. Much less, “oh no evil machine taking over our homeworld.” It’s sort of a non issue and they hold no strong opinions on it.
The novels basically talk around the Created war and become about other things. Rubicon will be about the Bansihed and we will probably get dropped straight in it; oh there’s just no time. The Arbiter/Vale book even says in the synopsis they’re going to the middle of nowhere to get away from the Created problem. You’re certainly not going to have the Arbiter dwelling on the war and state of the Galaxy.
They’ll mention the Created in passing; that’s about it.
Plus for some reason the writers (when they’re forced to actually discuss them) go out of their way to demonise the Created/Cortana. Like there’s a bit where Bucke goes on a tirade about how it’s all 1984 etc etc. But Banished show up in Shadows of Reach and everybody doesn’t address that the Banished are occupying a human world and killing civilians. Suddenly it’s all business. I don’t see why the flesh eating barbarians who need to get nuked get a pass but the malfunctioning AI gets all this drama. So I can just see in Rubicon them taking a similar approach that’s sympathetic towards the Banished. Cortana shouldn’t have poked the bear in the eye. That sort of thing.
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Ya war, 343i really like to neuter the amazing talant they get for eu as to not step on toes of the less so talanted mainline writting staff only to abiut turn and drop the plots wholesale meaning the books could have covered them comprehensively with out issue anyways. It sucks
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