How strong or deadly can ONI be.???
Well they pretty much run Humanity right now.
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Yes, someday if humanity keeps it up ONI will turn into the Party from 1984 
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Sometime its hard to tell if ONI is the good guys or the bad guys.
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We’re just morally gray.
Think of them as an advanced space -Yoink!-/KGB. Except that they’re so feared by everyone that they essentially control the government. I think that effectively describes their power.
they’re like the Illuminati, but in space and sanctioned by the government.
They’re about as strong as 2 million elites pushing a building at once, or 6 million grunts. Clearly humans> all covenant.
Well very strong, they control UEG (civilian government), have much influence on all UNSC branches and control the best resources (like Infinity, the best spartans…).
They probably have bombs that can nearly destroy planets, called NOVA, even if it’s not clear if it’s HIGHCOM that deploys them (when cortana asked them to, they didn’t).
They also have control of forerunner facilities, and temporarily or permanently had control of halo installations (at least 03) and the activation index.
If it has anything to do with Human Controlled Space or war it has something to do with ONI.
So basically us Aussies own the Halo universe and this makes me extremely happy.
ONI was run by the psychopathic Margaret Parangosky, and is now headed by the equally hypocritical, emotionally unstable Serin Osman. Yep… Oh, and let’s not forget that they deploy people like “old lady killer” Vaz.
Yep, ONI is up there with the Prophet of Truth, Gravemind and Sarah Palmer on my “people/factions from Halo I really dislike” list. In fact, I genuinely hate ONI, especially since unlike most other factions, ONI has modern-day parallels in the NSA, CIA, FBI and other shady intelligence agencies.
To put it simply, Agent Locke is going to have a very hard job convincing me that there’s anything good in ONI.
Well, besides the numerous prowlers they have, in the cinematic that plays when you enter multiplayer mode in Halo 4 for the first time; one of the cruisers has the ONI symbol on the hull. That means they have their own combat vessels. Also they have ONI Security, which recruits from the army and marine corps. So, yeah, they appear to be very resourceful and capable.
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> ONI was run by the psychopathic Margaret Parangosky, and is now headed by the equally hypocritical, emotionally unstable Serin Osman.
I’m just curious. What leads you to believe that Admiral Osman is “emotionally unstable?” Serin may be hypocritical and morally ambivalent, but emotionally unstable? I don’t think so. She’s definitely the type to find an objective rationale where she has seemingly only personal aims to achieve. Referring to a woman as “emotionally unstable” is usually associated with men not being able to comprehend that expressing emotions openly is good regardless if they are positive, negative, or anywhere in between.
ONI is more powerful than any other military or even possibly non-military organization in the halo universe and at some points in the lore, its questionable if ONI are actually “good guys”.
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For me, I said that not because Osman is a woman, but because of her compete inability to get over the events of her childhood and move on. Forty years after the fact, she still harbors hatred for Halsey and intense trauma over the events of the S-II program in a way that no other Spartan-II candidate- aside from Naomi- ever displayed. Heck, not even Soren-066, another washout who was deformed and crippled for life, was as emotionally disturbed as Osman. In fact, as far as I know, he held no anger towards Halsey, despite being given far worse treatment by life than Osman. Osman was rebuilt and cured by ONI and groomed for admiralty, in fact control of ONI, yet she’s angered by her fate and the loss of her life as an orphan? She acts insecure and frequently makes tactical decisions based on emotion and illogic. Her order to Lasky for Halsey’s execution was based entirely on both her resentment for the good doctor and Parangosky’s brainwashing, not on sound tactical judgement. Instead of attempting to secure a potential turncoat genius scientist to determine what she knows or has given away to the enemy, just send Palmer in to shoot her! Sure, that makes sense- Only if your goal is to fulfill your lifelong hatred of said scientist.
That’s what I meant by unstable. Not exactly grade-A material for command of a huge intelligence agency.
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> For me, I said that not because Osman is a woman, but because of her compete inability to get over the events of her childhood and move on. Forty years after the fact, she still harbors hatred for Halsey and intense trauma over the events of the S-II program in a way that no other Spartan-II candidate- aside from Naomi- ever displayed. Heck, not even Soren-066, another washout who was deformed and crippled for life, was as emotionally disturbed as Osman. She acts insecure and frequently makes tactical decisions based on emotion and illogic. Her order to Lasky for Halsey’s execution was based entirely on both her resentment for the good doctor and Parangosky’s brainwashing, not on sound tactical judgement. Instead of attempting to secure a potential turncoat genius scientist to determine what she knows or has given away to the enemy, just send Palmer jn to shoot her! Sure, that makes sense- Only if your goal is to fulfill your lifelong hatred of said scientist.
You may not have intended to call Osman out for her being a woman, but “emotionally unstable” is nonetheless typically used as a very simple method to dismiss a woman’s being. Catherine Halsey’s actions endangered the lives of 17,000 Sailors, Marines, Spartans, and civilian personnel aboard Infinity. Admiral Osman’s mistrust of Halsey, and her reluctance to ever release her to the charge of Captain Tom Lasky, was confirmed many times during the expedition to Requiem. Despite whatever feelings she might of had, Osman had to do what she was supposed to do, and Halsey’s life needed to be taken to ensure that happened. Luckily for her, those objectives just happened to coincide with her feelings.
Also, concerning “[making] tactical decisions based on emotion,” you’ll find very few decisions made throughout the course of humanity that don’t have some semblance of this trait. Otherwise, we’d have pointy ears and eyebrows, and be overly concerned with purging all emotion.
> Not exactly grade-A material for command of a huge intelligence agency.
I’m fairly sure that it’s a prerequisite for someone to have done some shady stuff in their life or have some political, religious, or some other emotional alignment to be considered to become the director of an intelligence agency, be it fictional or otherwise.
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I’ve seen people call John emotionally unstable aswell. Trying to neutralize a persons argument by attributing it to gender isn’t fair play.
> Catherine Halsey’s actions endangered the lives of 17,000 Sailors, Marines, Spartans, and civilian personnel aboard Infinity
Which were? Provide full context if possible,please.
> Admiral Osman’s mistrust of Halsey, and her reluctance to ever release her to the charge of Captain Tom Lasky, was confirmed many times during the expedition to Requiem
Osman and ONI are weary of letting Halsey out for fear of her exposing them as the true criminals. She could have spilled the beans to Thorne but decided no to because Halsey is a true hero,bearing the weight of personal sins without creating a scapegoat. Her only concern is/was that of Humanity and knowledge. Everything in Spartan Ops showed such with ONI’s “confirmation” only coming into play when they sought to assassinate her. If they didn’t unnecessarily treat Halsey so harshly she wouldn’t have been communicating with Jul in secret-who she didn’t know was the enemy and gave no intel to.
You can only take advantage of someone for so long until they won’t stand for it.
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She wasn’t required to do an assassination in that position.
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Not at all, that foolishness is exactly why she is working with Jul now.
> I’m fairly sure that it’s a prerequisite for someone to have done some shady stuff in their life or have some political, religious, or some other emotional alignment to be considered to become the director of an intelligence agency, be it fictional or otherwise.
I’d figure the most relevant prerequisites would be intelligence,foresight, and seeing the larger picture.
Traits Osman seems to lack.
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> I’ve seen people call John emotionally unstable aswell. Trying to neutralize a persons argument by attributing it to gender isn’t fair play.
“You may not have intended to call Osman out for her being a woman, but ‘emotionally unstable’ is nonetheless typically used as a very simple method to dismiss a woman’s being.”
I agree. Except in canon, at least, John, as a Spartan, was noted as possessing a “lack of basic humanity,” exhibiting “mildly sociopathic tendencies,” and having “difficulty with socialization.” Not “emotionally unstable.” Now, if you’d like to suggest Serin Osman had the first two traits that many Spartans exhibit, then absolutely, go right ahead because there probably is a medical basis for it. However, seeing Admiral Osman put emotions in front of objectivity and noting her as emotionally unstable? That’s ridiculous. Nobody called out Thel 'Vadam as being emotionally unstable for the Prophet of Truth starting the Great Schism, or Lord Hood when he brazenly suggested that Rtas 'Vadum was more than happy to glass all of Africa, and openly voiced his mistrust and even disdain. I’m saying that, as a woman with experience in this matter, women are all too quickly labeled as “emotionally unstable” for the simplest of emotions, whether they’re valid or misplaced, and I was simply raising concern.
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> Which were? Provide full context if possible,please.
Conversing with a known enemy agent who so happened to be the commander of the Covenant forces on Requiem. No matter if she knew their identity or not, she should have brought this to the attention of the appropriate authority aboard. Someone or something talking to you from the surface of an incredibly alien world is not something that should be taken lightly. Instead, she held these dealings dear to herself in a selfish manner.
Corrupting the nature of Roland, Infinity’s primary artificial construct and likely the core which anti-aircraft, anti-ship, and anti-boarding measures are formed around, all the while a Promethean-Covenant boarding party was well underway. Sure, she couldn’t have any idea that that’s what happened. But it happened and it was her bringing down a critical asset that may have allowed them to sneak through their defenses.
It may seem like both of these points are merely by chance, but it seems like a great deal of what Halsey has done is substantiated by what comes to be and not necessarily what is at the moment.
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> Osman and ONI are weary of letting Halsey out for fear of her exposing them as the true criminals. She could have spilled the beans to Thorne but decided no to because Halsey is a true hero,bearing the weight of personal sins without creating a scapegoat. Her only concern is/was that of Humanity and knowledge. Everything in Spartan Ops showed such with ONI’s “confirmation” only coming into play when they sought to assassinate her. If they didn’t unnecessarily treat Halsey so harshly she wouldn’t have been communicating with Jul in secret-who she didn’t know was the enemy and gave no intel to.
Halsey is just as complicit in those crimes as she is. As for hero, of course, I don’t see how heroic kidnapping children from their parents is. But luckily we have the gift of foresight that allows us to forget the Spartans were originally charged to kill Humans in an imperialist effort and forgive her for being oh so lucky that the Covenant came. Halsey conversing with anyone down on Requiem and not notifying her superiors, Admiral Osman or Captain Lasky, was a grave error that didn’t earn her any favor. She’s in it for herself at this point. She made that abundantly clear.
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A few Spartans in 2525 had the same idea but guess who brought them back into the fold. Imposing yourself as a maternal figure after you’ve kidnapped and brainwashed someone might not leave them with the best impression of you down the road.
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> She wasn’t required to do an assassination in that position.
She had knowledge of all of Infinity’s systems, a ship that was so happened to be moored to Requiem via slipspace, and possessed a fairly treasonous reputation even before Traviss managed to get her hands on her. No matter what their personal feelings about her were, she was a threat to everyone on that expedition to Requiem.
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> Not at all, that foolishness is exactly why she is working with Jul now.
Where she is right now is solely a result of her own nefarious doing. She schemes in a way that would make Jim Moriarty blush. Except she’s doing this on a cosmic scale with the existence of the whole of humanity and its civilization, regardless of how fragmented or wayward it is.
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Being the commander-in-chief of an organization with tremendous political, military, and likely economical power of the whole of human civilization requires exactly those things. However, like any person, she is subject to emotion. However, she, as any intelligent person can do, can find an objective purpose for emotional needs. That’s what she found in assassinating Catherine Halsey once and for all as a part of the larger picture to rid Naval Intelligence of the Spartan stigma. She’s kept ONI in play for some four or five years after the retirement of her predecessor who put these plans in motion. I wouldn’t underestimate anyone with an agenda. But most of all, do not underestimate her.