somebody HAS to hit first, right??
so why is it almost every melee kill ends in both of us dying? is the net code really THAT bad?
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Clearly never been in or seen a fight irl before. Hell, even DBZ had plenty of fights where Goku and the other guy punched each other at the same time. You could even look up ādouble knockoutā, which is when both fighters in the ring knock each other out at the same time. Melee trades have always existed in Halo. Itās actually surprisingly the only part of the netcode that works, unlike trying to melee trade a sword user or get a from the grave grenade that despawns.
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right but thatās incredibly rare whereas these traded kills happen constantly. Iām aware the net code is busted, itās probably most noticeable in tactical slayer
Both players had the same idea.
Kill the other to cripple the other team for 10s.
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Nah Iād say melee trades were very frequent in Reach, 4 and 5. It just didnāt really happen in CE, 2, and 3, because it was hard to get that close to somebody since you walked as slow as they did. In those games, people were not really expecting to be meleed, so whoever got hit first would usually lose. The later games had tons of people trying to melee and assassinate, which usually resulted in people learning to back away from being meleed, so they would end up conveniently hitting each other at the same time. Itās just faster and easier to trade melees than try to outshoot your opponent, for the same reason itās faster to just blow yourself both up with a rocket at close range, to take them with you.
Itās kinda like how āBulltrueā was usually earned in post Halo 3 titles when the enemy still skewered you despite taking a nasal cavity full of 8ga 00 buckshot.
It really doesnāt make sense, the net code has suffered since Halo 3, and that gameās net code was considered bad at the time.
I get that the possibility exists where it might happen, it does happen every now in again in other titles, but it seems very common here.
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Iāve always been curious about this too. From a development/engineering perspective, why do trades exist? It happens way more often in this game than any other Halo.
I donāt think Iād mind as much if it didnāt happen so often lol. But it is what it is I guessā¦
it is pretty common. Anymore if I think I have enough ammo left, I back peddle at the last moment and bait the other player into a melee animation and keep shooting him for an easy kill.
Thatās probably the smarter way to go about itā¦
Do it enough and itāll become a reflex though when you need to go in for the melee or to back off and hopefully bait theirs out first.
I think it makes complete sense considering a melee can kill you from roughly half shields. Both players will want to melee right at the exact same time, so they often do. Itās not like your arm is going to immediately stop moving the instant you are hit.
Halo 3 had tons of melee trading on Xbox after it got patched. But before melee trading there was an even worse mechanic where youād win if you were the host.
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Thatās basically Infinite now, where the lowest ping wins pretty much any interaction.
I get matched into high ping servers constantly and Iāll melee first very often but trade anyway because of lag/desync.
I can hear my melee hit a second before theirs often and die anyway.
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I believe they added this in either halo 2 or 3 to make it more fair for both players. If they didnt have an extra ātime windowā to get your melee in, the person with the better connection would get the kill every time which would be equally as frustrating if not moreso.
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As is the fate of trash netcode. Iāll swear I hit first, see it, hear it, even with hammer or sword, or throw a grenade, but to the server, the lower ping player registered first, so to the server, your client is ignored, since the server sees you as already dead. Grenades, rockets, bullets, etc, all despawn, since you were ignored by the server. I hate it.
so when my rockets/scanners disappear mid-air is that a bad omen telling me that Iām already dead in the future
Basically ćåćÆććę»ćć§ććć yeah, probably. Any time Iām in a match and see high ping, lag spikes, or general BSery, I already know my K/D is going to be a joke that match, and Iāll have to rely on grenades, melees, and power weapons for my hits to kill. Iāve played many matches out of my 500 matches where I couldnāt kill anything, I was lucky to break shields. I got tons of assists the entire time. Thereās nothing more irritating than emptying your mag on someone, to not even pop their shield, then they slowly turn around to look at you and kill you in 1-3 shots. Thatās why Iām grateful sword and melee almost always guarantees the kill counts, because the hit registration is so bad Iāve seen people shrug off rockets and hammers the whole match.
I say almost always guarantees a kill because some people just have a better gaming chair
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The interesting thing is how trading melee is a thing but somehow grenades and rockets (etc.) disappear after death.
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Thatās because the sword and melee is an instant registered hit, but the grenade and the rocket have not technically registered yet, so they didnāt count