i disagree, but please explain it to me.
When a guy can camp with the boltshot or plasma grenades WIHOUT being able to be seen then yeah I think its pretty OP, It was better in Halo 3 when it was a timed invisibility cloak ya had to pick up…
Active Camo is overpowered because it can be used at will and multiple times. The advantages it gives the user is balanced neither with disadvantages nor difficulty of use.
If went back to being a powerup like Overshield, it would no longer be overpowered.
Close range, nothing. When working correctly, I learned to get away and wait for them to re-appear.
However, there is an issue where the dots do NOT appear on the radar, allowing one to be completely invisible on the radar until they shoot or move too quickly. I won’t go into details, but it does make it overpowered thanks to that glitch.
> When a guy can camp with the boltshot or plasma grenades WIHOUT being able to be seen then yeah I think its pretty OP, It was better in Halo 3 when it was a timed invisibility cloak ya had to pick up…
Yeah, except his radarjammer is a huge giveaway, plus he can boltshot camp without AC, that isn’t a good example. I’m not saying it can’t be frustrating in some cases, but it is not OP.
> Active Camo is overpowered because it can be used at will and multiple times. The advantages it gives the user is balanced neither with disadvantages nor difficulty of use.
“at will and multiple times.” that sounds like an anti-AA arguement, it isn’t specfic to AC. and as for " balanced neither with disadvantages nor difficulty of use." it shows on your radar,takes 2 to 3 seconds to fully cloak you, severely limites you’re movements, and PV renders it useless.
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people r just being jelly cuz they get killed with it… so saaaaad
- The no dots glitch takes any kind of balance it had away.
- On large or fairly open maps camo snipers and dmr/lr users aren’t able to be seen why move when you can pick off anyone who walks in your line of sight. Then hide and wait for your camo to recharge. Rinse and repeat.
- Its own attempt at balancing itself slows down gameplay. You have to be moving either very slow or not at all for it to work. Thus slowing you down and keeping me away until it runs oit
Because of it we have Camo Snipers, that’s reason enough.
There are times it works for you and times it doesn’t. It’s my main loadout but I only use it for splazing, which I’m trying to master. I can’t use the boltshot for the life of me so AC does nothing for me that way. I prefer a stand up fight anyways.
Camo sniping.
> Yeah, except his radarjammer is a huge giveaway, plus he can boltshot camp without AC, that isn’t a good example. I’m not saying it can’t be frustrating in some cases, but it is not OP.
The radar jammer is an advantage, not a disadvantage. The guy with the AC could be anywhere above or below me within a 15 meter radius. If he still appeared on the motion tracker like with the Active Camo powerup in previous Halo games, it wouldn’t be so much of a problem.
> “at will and multiple times.” that sounds like an anti-AA arguement, it isn’t specfic to AC. and as for " balanced neither with disadvantages nor difficulty of use." it shows on your radar,takes 2 to 3 seconds to fully cloak you, severely limites you’re movements, and PV renders it useless.
It is an anti-AA argument. Active Camo is an AA, isn’t it? Imagine if Overshield was made into an AA, meaning someone could use it multiple times in one life and whenever they felt like. That would definitely be OP. Same with Active Camo.
The Active Camo’s disadvantages do not balance the advantages well enough. An example of a balanced AA is the Regen Field: it regenerates your shields, but it also blurs your vision, doesn’t work when taking damage, and makes you vulnerable while you’re deploying it.
> When a guy can camp with the boltshot or plasma grenades WIHOUT being able to be seen then yeah I think its pretty OP, It was better in Halo 3 when it was a timed invisibility cloak ya had to pick up…
Those rarely happen to me. Camping in this game is happening on an equal measure compared to previous titles it seems. No big deal, not overpowered.
> 1. The no dots glitch takes any kind of balance it had away.
You can’t site a glitch that( 1. rarely happens,in me and my control group/dozen freinds experience, it’s been weeks since any of us have ran into it and 2. by definition of being a glitch isn’t supposed to happen to begin with) as evidence of it being OP. Exploiting a glitch is a players prerogative, and while it should be fixed it is at best a flimsy excuse.
> 2. On large or fairly open maps camo snipers and dmr/lr users aren’t able to be seen why move when you can pick off anyone who walks in your line of sight. Then hide and wait for your camo to recharge. Rinse and repeat.
Once again players prerogative, plus you risk get ganked anytime you run out into the open. That’s why people who know what their doing run from cover to cover.
> 3. Its own attempt at balancing itself slows down gameplay. You have to be moving either very slow or not at all for it to work. Thus slowing you down and keeping me away until it runs out
Yes, you’re trading speed for stealth,it would be OP with both and god forbid you don’t get instant gratification. Would you like then to stand in the open and remain still while you shoot them?
> > Yeah, except his radarjammer is a huge giveaway, plus he can boltshot camp without AC, that isn’t a good example. I’m not saying it can’t be frustrating in some cases, but it is not OP.
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> The radar jammer is an advantage, not a disadvantage. The guy with the AC could be anywhere above or below me within a 15 meter radius. If he still appeared on the motion tracker like with the Active Camo powerup in previous Halo games, it wouldn’t be so much of a problem.
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> > “at will and multiple times.” that sounds like an anti-AA arguement, it isn’t specfic to AC. and as for " balanced neither with disadvantages nor difficulty of use." it shows on your radar,takes 2 to 3 seconds to fully cloak you, severely limites you’re movements, and PV renders it useless.
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> It is an anti-AA argument. Active Camo is an AA, isn’t it? Imagine if Overshield was made into an AA, meaning someone could use it multiple times in one life and whenever they felt like. That would definitely be OP. Same with Active Camo.
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> The Active Camo’s disadvantages do not balance the advantages well enough. An example of a balanced AA is the Regen Field: it regenerates your shields, but it also blurs your vision, doesn’t work when taking damage, and makes you vulnerable while you’re deploying it.
Ok, 1. it doesn’t matter if he’s is above or bellow you, you are still alerted to his general location, as opposed to him just crouching with out active camo, thus disadvantage.
and 2. this “<mark>Imagine if Overshield was made into an AA, meaning someone could use it multiple times in one life and whenever they felt like. That would definitely be OP. Same with Active Camo.</mark>” Is an Association fallacy and not a valid form of arguement, Think before you post stupid crap like that.
Active Camo is both good and bad.
Stealth and AC means you are invisible to PV.
The dot glitch is easy to use.
The ability to go invisible at will is over powered, it often allows you to get the first 1-2 shots on someone, giving you a big advantage, when on large maps it makes DMR/LR and snipers way OP.
It was a power up for a reason, and it should remain that way. The argument that it’s an AA issue and not the ability itself an issue is moot, it’s an OP AA and should not be in the game along with a list of other AA’s…
All things being equal, the camo user has 1st shot, because he can’t be seen as easily.
Is it overpowered? It depends on who is talking. I don’t think anything is overpowered if EVERYONE can use it. That being said…
In any individual situation, you can justify it not being OP or being OP, depending on your personal bias.
A non-camo user could say it is overpowered because he mad that he is getting killed by camo.
A camo user will say it is not overpowered because he needs to justify its use and feel that he is just as good as a person who does not use camo.
I used to use camo and big team, and it objectively made me a “better” player, as my K/D and W/L were higher. Since I have stopped using camo, my K/D and W/L have decreased, but I just stopped using it because I honestly felt it took the competitive spirit out of the game. I felt cheap using it, but that is just my opinion.
Also, to the OP, it seems as though you want people to explain things to you and for you to attempt to pick apart their logic to justify your own opinions. It is coming across as aggressive, and calling people stupid when you can’t correctly use the term “ad hominem” is pretty ironic, not to mention uncalled for.
Fact is, you have your opinions and they have theirs. No one is stupid. They are just opinions.
> Ok, 1. it doesn’t matter if he’s is above or bellow you, you are still alerted to his general location, as opposed to him just crouching with out active camo, thus disadvantage.
With Active Camo as an AA, who needs to seek out other players? I can just sit here and wait for them to come to me. Since they can’t see me, I can always get the first shot. I never have to make the first move to win.
> and 2. this “<mark>Imagine if Overshield was made into an AA, meaning someone could use it multiple times in one life and whenever they felt like. That would definitely be OP. Same with Active Camo.</mark>” Is an ad hominem and not a valid form of arguement, Think before you post stupid crap like that.
That’s not what ad hominem means. I made a valid argument against your argument and didn’t attack or insult you in any way. “Think before you post stupid crap like that” is an example of an ad hominem.
To put it simple for you, when using Active Camo you become invisible to the enemy. Is that not overpowered? There was a reason it has been a pickup in past Halo games.