Back in the day in halo 3, the ranking system was permanent. Being ranked in halo 3 was really rewarding. I did the hard work, now i have something to show for it. After a while though it felt like it was hard to improve my rank in halo 3 regardless of how well i played. It just felt stuck. halo 5 has improved this, you can clearly see your progress after each win. My only issue with halo 5’s ranking system are the resets.
Why not just give us the option to reset our rank each month? Surely the main reason they made ranks reset is so we can have a chance at drastically improving our ranks. Ill be honest, one of the many reasons I gave up playing ranked was the idea of my rank being decided over 10 games every month just depressed me. I llke the grind to get my rank higher but whats the point when its just gonna get reset.
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> Back in the day in halo 3, the ranking system was permanent. Being ranked in halo 3 was really rewarding. I did the hard work, now i have something to show for it. After a while though it felt like it was hard to improve my rank in halo 3 regardless of how well i played. It just felt stuck. halo 5 has improved this, you can clearly see your progress after each win. My only issue with halo 5’s ranking system are the resets.
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> Why not just give us the option to reset our rank each month? Surely the main reason they made ranks reset is so we can have a chance at drastically improving our ranks. Ill be honest, one of the many reasons I gave up playing ranked was the idea of my rank being decided over 10 games every month just depressed me. I llke the grind to get my rank higher but whats the point when its just gonna get reset.
“Surely the main reason they made ranks reset is so we can have a chance at drastically improving our ranks.”
That’s not the main reason at all. The main reason for resets is to try to disincentivise people from boosting, or from sandbagging, or from buying accounts, or from doing a lot of the other crap that was a mainstay of Halo 3 matchmaking.
And your hard work isn’t thrown away at the end of every season. The very first thing anybody sees when they look at your service record is the highest rank you ever earned in any playlist at any time. And odds are good that if you were high platinum last season then you’ll probably be high platinum next season, so still nothing really lost.
The only way that I can see this argument making any sense is if you believe that, given enough time, anyone can eventually grind their way to champion. And if that’s what you believe then you have my pity. Best of luck either way.
The only people who should really have an issue with rank resets are the people who barely manage to get more than 10 games played (in one playlist) over the course of the (2 month) season. But even then, that just means they have more important things to take care of than Halo, so they don’t really have a (good) reason to be upset either. Now, if you’re logging 50-100 games over the 2-month season, then your argument falls on deaf ears because you already know you’re going to be able to get your placement matches out of the way. What is 10 matches at the beginning of the season when you know you’re about log many more than only 10 games?
Now, like the fine Spartan above me mentioned, your rank never “really” resets. You’re not starting from Bronze every season. Your rank just gets turned invisible. If you want to see it, you’ll earn it back. If not, you don’t get it back. It’s that simple. Just know that not doing your placement matches could hurt you in the following seasons.
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> The only people who should really have an issue with rank resets are the people who barely manage to get more than 10 games played (in one playlist) over the course of the (2 month) season. But even then, that just means they have more important things to take care of than Halo, so they don’t really have a (good) reason to be upset either.
But the fact remains that they do, and these players make up a huge portion of the population.
I can count at least half a dozen people on my friend’s list that I used to play with semi-regularly as they would have streaks of playing or not playing, but now they don’t even bother at all because any time I convince them to try it out again, they just end up disappointed that they can’t continue on from where they left off…
Continuing your progress where you left it is just a foundation of video games & user enjoyment, and even if that’s not “really” the case that the progress is lost, the simple fact is that sometimes, perception is quite literally more important than reality.
Idealism gets thrown out the window when it starts doing more harm than good.
I’ve been saying since Reach that resets are a bad idea.
- Boosters etc. can be dealt with by simply hiring 1 dude to do manual moderation, which should already have been a thing since as far back as Halo 2. Automated systems are a good start, but anyone who’s played an MMO at a high level can attest that nothing can ultimately replace the human element, at least not yet. - As for people who prefer seasons, well most of them are already very dedicated players, so it makes no sense to make the default catered to such a niche, but rather it would be better suited as an opt-in thing for people who have already finished the “basic” ranks, eg. 1-50 as your permanent rank and Bronze-Onyx as your seasonal rank for CSR’s exceeding the approximate equivalent to ~50 (which I believe is the current equivalent of around Diamond 3 or something like that?).
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> > Back in the day in halo 3, the ranking system was permanent. Being ranked in halo 3 was really rewarding. I did the hard work, now i have something to show for it. After a while though it felt like it was hard to improve my rank in halo 3 regardless of how well i played. It just felt stuck. halo 5 has improved this, you can clearly see your progress after each win. My only issue with halo 5’s ranking system are the resets.
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> > Why not just give us the option to reset our rank each month? Surely the main reason they made ranks reset is so we can have a chance at drastically improving our ranks. Ill be honest, one of the many reasons I gave up playing ranked was the idea of my rank being decided over 10 games every month just depressed me. I llke the grind to get my rank higher but whats the point when its just gonna get reset.
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> “Surely the main reason they made ranks reset is so we can have a chance at drastically improving our ranks.”
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> That’s not the main reason at all. The main reason for resets is to try to disincentivise people from boosting, or from sandbagging, or from buying accounts, or from doing a lot of the other crap that was a mainstay of Halo 3 matchmaking.
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> And your hard work isn’t thrown away at the end of every season. The very first thing anybody sees when they look at your service record is the highest rank you ever earned in any playlist at any time. And odds are good that if you were high platinum last season then you’ll probably be high platinum next season, so still nothing really lost.
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> The only way that I can see this argument making any sense is if you believe that, given enough time, anyone can eventually grind their way to champion. And if that’s what you believe then you have my pity. Best of luck either way.
i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
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> > The only people who should really have an issue with rank resets are the people who barely manage to get more than 10 games played (in one playlist) over the course of the (2 month) season. But even then, that just means they have more important things to take care of than Halo, so they don’t really have a (good) reason to be upset either.
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> But the fact remains that they do, and these players make up a huge portion of the population.
> I can count at least half a dozen people on my friend’s list that I used to play with semi-regularly as they would have streaks of playing or not playing, but now they don’t even bother at all because any time I convince them to try it out again, they just end up disappointed that they can’t continue on from where they left off…
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> Continuing your progress where you left it is just a foundation of video games & user enjoyment, and even if that’s not “really” the case that the progress is lost, the simple fact is that sometimes, perception is quite literally more important than reality.
> Idealism gets thrown out the window when it starts doing more harm than good.
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> I’ve been saying since Reach that resets are a bad idea.
> - Boosters etc. can be dealt with by simply hiring 1 dude to do manual moderation, which should already have been a thing since as far back as Halo 2. Automated systems are a good start, but anyone who’s played an MMO at a high level can attest that nothing can ultimately replace the human element, at least not yet. - As for people who prefer seasons, well most of them are already very dedicated players, so it makes no sense to make the default catered to such a niche, but rather it would be better suited as an opt-in thing for people who have already finished the “basic” ranks, eg. 1-50 as your permanent rank and Bronze-Onyx as your seasonal rank for CSR’s exceeding the approximate equivalent to ~50 (which I believe is the current equivalent of around Diamond 3 or something like that?).
Thats the truth man. I havent played ranked in over a year, but if I knew I could continue were I left off, I would have thought about coming back. Im only back now for the weapon tuning test and I must say halo is getting better but this rank system continues to urk me
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> i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
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> Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
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> halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
Yes, you could have a bad night while trying to qualify. Then you still have two whole months to fix that situation.
Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
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> > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
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> > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
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> Yes, you could have a bad night while trying to qualify. Then you still have two whole months to fix that situation.
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> Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
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> You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
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> Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
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> I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
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> i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
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> If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
I’m beginning to get the idea that you’re treating rank as if it’s some kind of pat on the back for getting in there and giving it the old college try. Rank isn’t progression unless you happen to be getting better. Rank is a reflection of your skill set in comparison to the skill sets of other players in that playlist. It’s there to identify you (for the purposes of accurate matchmaking) and not to reward you for showing up to play. This is why you don’t keep it - not when the season resets, and not when you take a year off and then come back.
Okay, so let’s say that there’s no reset, but you still take your year off, and you come back and you are seriously rusty. The game looks at your rank (from a year ago) and starts throwing you in matches against other players of that rank. You go on to get demolished in one match after another, which is exactly what would happen for more than a little while, and then you would come on to the forums to complain about how matchmaking is broken because you keep getting demolished. Do you see how that is the inevitable result of a no-reset situation?
Your rank must reflect your actual skill and not your ego. Rank isn’t a commodity you can save for when you want it. It is literally who and what you are - at least as far as the game is concerned - and moreover it’s who and what you are at any given moment in time. Yes, that means that it can change for the better (if you work really hard and improve) or for the worse (bad teammates, an off night, whatever). The reason your rank goes up or down is beside the point. The point is that if you believe in the integrity of Trueskill then you have to accept the rank it gives you no matter what. Random teammates and off nights aren’t keeping you from your true rank. They are a part of your gaming experience and that will be reflected in your rank, unless you start playing with full teams and stop playing qualifiers until you’re properly warmed up. And even then, my friend, you are what you are. Don’t fight it. Embrace it. The reset is not your enemy.
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> > > > i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
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> > > > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
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> > > > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
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> > > Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
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> > > You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
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> > > Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
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> > > I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
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> > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
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> > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
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You are punished the same in qualifying as if you would be if you were already ranked. Lose 10 games in a row as a Plat 3, you’ll likely be between Gold 5 and Plat 1 depending on your competition (assuming an average of 10-15 CSR is lost per match). And considering you wound up a Gold 1 after qualifying, you definitely would have been a Silver after losing 10 matches since the system probably thought you were a High Silver/Low Gold player to begin with. So you can pretend like you’re being punished more for losing games in qualifying, but it’s simply not true.
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> > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
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> > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
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> I’m beginning to get the idea that you’re treating rank as if it’s some kind of pat on the back for getting in there and giving it the old college try. Rank isn’t progression unless you happen to be getting better. Rank is a reflection of your skill set in comparison to the skill sets of other players in that playlist. It’s there to identify you (for the purposes of accurate matchmaking) and not to reward you for showing up to play. This is why you don’t keep it - not when the season resets, and not when you take a year off and then come back.
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> Okay, so let’s say that there’s no reset, but you still take your year off, and you come back and you are seriously rusty. The game looks at your rank (from a year ago) and starts throwing you in matches against other players of that rank. You go on to get demolished in one match after another, which is exactly what would happen for more than a little while, and then you would come on to the forums to complain about how matchmaking is broken because you keep getting demolished. Do you see how that is the inevitable result of a no-reset situation?
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> Your rank must reflect your actual skill and not your ego. Rank isn’t a commodity you can save for when you want it. It is literally who and what you are - at least as far as the game is concerned - and moreover it’s who and what you are at any given moment in time. Yes, that means that it can change for the better (if you work really hard and improve) or for the worse (bad teammates, an off night, whatever). The reason your rank goes up or down is beside the point. The point is that if you believe in the integrity of Trueskill then you have to accept the rank it gives you no matter what. Random teammates and off nights aren’t keeping you from your true rank. They are a part of your gaming experience and that will be reflected in your rank, unless you start playing with full teams and stop playing qualifiers until you’re properly warmed up. And even then, my friend, you are what you are. Don’t fight it. Embrace it. The reset is not your enemy.
No. I think I would be fine with losing matches after taking a break as long as i keep my rank ive been working hard towards. I think people are far more upset about rank resets rather than they would playing a few tough matches which they would understand. Also now that you mentioned that problem, there would be a better solution for that rather than just having rank resets. If a player has been away for a period of time, you can give him a normal game. if he does poorly then give him a temporary invisible rank that matches him against similar skill that increases with each game to his original rank for a number of games that can be determined by the length of time a player has been away. If he manages to get to his original skill level quicker than expected then immediatly place him back to his old rank.
This way players can be eased back in while halo still remains balanced for everyone. Earning rank is part of what makes the game fun, Its a mechanic in the game for you to keep playing it. Resets hurt that fact. If its entirly what you say then what is the point in even making our ranks visible. Its there, we want to improve it, we like to set ourselves goals. oh no my ranks been reset, I stopped playing for a month. I gotted ranked again but its lower than before. f this. player leaves because a game mechanic has left him frustrated among the many other problems halo has.
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> > > > > i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
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> > > > > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
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> > > > > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
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> > > > Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
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> > > > You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
> > > >
> > > > Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
> > > >
> > > > I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
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> > > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
> > >
> > > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
> > >
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> You are punished the same in qualifying as if you would be if you were already ranked. Lose 10 games in a row as a Plat 3, you’ll likely be between Gold 5 and Plat 1 depending on your competition (assuming an average of 10-15 CSR is lost per match). And considering you wound up a Gold 1 after qualifying, you definitely would have been a Silver after losing 10 matches since the system probably thought you were a High Silver/Low Gold player to begin with. So you can pretend like you’re being punished more for losing games in qualifying, but it’s simply not true.
ok im gonna test it. i havent played swat in over a year. I got diamond last time. I will play like a silver player. according to your theory, I should still be atleast gold after 10 games since i shouldnt be able to be deranked that much in 10 games? i mean can one really go from diamond to gold in 10 games anyway? surely i would be low platinum.
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> > > > > > i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, you could have a bad night while trying to qualify. Then you still have two whole months to fix that situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
> > > > >
> > > > > You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
> > > > >
> > > > > Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
> > > >
> > > > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
> > > >
> > > > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
> > > >
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> > You are punished the same in qualifying as if you would be if you were already ranked. Lose 10 games in a row as a Plat 3, you’ll likely be between Gold 5 and Plat 1 depending on your competition (assuming an average of 10-15 CSR is lost per match). And considering you wound up a Gold 1 after qualifying, you definitely would have been a Silver after losing 10 matches since the system probably thought you were a High Silver/Low Gold player to begin with. So you can pretend like you’re being punished more for losing games in qualifying, but it’s simply not true.
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> ok im gonna test it. i havent played swat in over a year. I got diamond last time. I will play like a silver player. according to your theory, I should still be atleast gold after 10 games since i shouldnt be able to be deranked that much in 10 games? i mean can one really go from diamond to gold in 10 games anyway? surely i would be low platinum.
So…you’re going to screw with 7 other people’s games just because?
And then people wonder about ranks.
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> > > > > > > i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you could have a bad night while trying to qualify. Then you still have two whole months to fix that situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
> > > > >
> > > > > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
> > > > >
> > > > > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
> > > > >
> > >
> > > You are punished the same in qualifying as if you would be if you were already ranked. Lose 10 games in a row as a Plat 3, you’ll likely be between Gold 5 and Plat 1 depending on your competition (assuming an average of 10-15 CSR is lost per match). And considering you wound up a Gold 1 after qualifying, you definitely would have been a Silver after losing 10 matches since the system probably thought you were a High Silver/Low Gold player to begin with. So you can pretend like you’re being punished more for losing games in qualifying, but it’s simply not true.
> >
> > ok im gonna test it. i havent played swat in over a year. I got diamond last time. I will play like a silver player. according to your theory, I should still be atleast gold after 10 games since i shouldnt be able to be deranked that much in 10 games? i mean can one really go from diamond to gold in 10 games anyway? surely i would be low platinum.
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> So…you’re going to screw with 7 other people’s games just because?
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> And then people wonder about ranks.
whats wrong with going on swat and taking it easy, im not gonna purposely lose. im just not gonna be a sweat like i was last time
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> No. I think I would be fine with losing matches after taking a break as long as i keep my rank ive been working hard towards. I think people are far more upset about rank resets rather than they would playing a few tough matches which they would understand. Also now that you mentioned that problem, there would be a better solution for that rather than just having rank resets. If a player has been away for a period of time, you can give him a normal game. if he does poorly then give him a temporary invisible rank that matches him against similar skill that increases with each game to his original rank for a number of games that can be determined by the length of time a player has been away. If he manages to get to his original skill level quicker than expected then immediatly place him back to his old rank.
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> This way players can be eased back in while halo still remains balanced for everyone. Earning rank is part of what makes the game fun, Its a mechanic in the game for you to keep playing it. Resets hurt that fact. If its entirly what you say then what is the point in even making our ranks visible. Its there, we want to improve it, we like to set ourselves goals. oh no my ranks been reset, I stopped playing for a month. I gotted ranked again but its lower than before. f this. player leaves because a game mechanic has left him frustrated among the many other problems halo has.
This game already gives you a reward for showing up, a reward you get to keep no matter what. It’s a number between 1 and 152 called your Spartan Rank. Take all the time off you want and that number is still there. Play as badly as you want and it never goes down. That number is the thing you’re talking about. Your CSR, on the other hand, has never, in any Halo game, been something you get to keep no matter what. And this misunderstanding of yours is one of many reasons why ranking systems always fail. People don’t understand their true purpose, want them to be something they’re not, want to find ways to subvert them and bend them to their will. This is why they will never work. I don’t know if any of this is getting through to you, but however it all ends up, I wish you luck.
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> > No. I think I would be fine with losing matches after taking a break as long as i keep my rank ive been working hard towards. I think people are far more upset about rank resets rather than they would playing a few tough matches which they would understand. Also now that you mentioned that problem, there would be a better solution for that rather than just having rank resets. If a player has been away for a period of time, you can give him a normal game. if he does poorly then give him a temporary invisible rank that matches him against similar skill that increases with each game to his original rank for a number of games that can be determined by the length of time a player has been away. If he manages to get to his original skill level quicker than expected then immediatly place him back to his old rank.
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> > This way players can be eased back in while halo still remains balanced for everyone. Earning rank is part of what makes the game fun, Its a mechanic in the game for you to keep playing it. Resets hurt that fact. If its entirly what you say then what is the point in even making our ranks visible. Its there, we want to improve it, we like to set ourselves goals. oh no my ranks been reset, I stopped playing for a month. I gotted ranked again but its lower than before. f this. player leaves because a game mechanic has left him frustrated among the many other problems halo has.
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> This game already gives you a reward for showing up, a reward you get to keep no matter what. It’s a number between 1 and 152 called your Spartan Rank. Take all the time off you want and that number is still there. Play as badly as you want and it never goes down. That number is the thing you’re talking about. Your CSR, on the other hand, has never, in any Halo game, been something you get to keep no matter what. And this misunderstanding of yours is one of many reasons why ranking systems always fail. People don’t understand their true purpose, want them to be something they’re not, want to find ways to subvert them and bend them to their will. This is why they will never work. I don’t know if any of this is getting through to you, but however it all ends up, I wish you luck.
The ranking does work. The issue has always been halo5’s gameplay. In the past Halo 5 was too much of a teamshooter which makes it hard for any game to balance because the hardest thing to measure is teamwork. The recent updates in ranked arena, the radar and nerfed weapons have made teamwork require actual work making it easier for ranking skill but the issue now with halo 5 matchmaking is the low population. Its not gonna be able to always do its job. everything outside of arena is still pretty poor. mainly warzone and big team battle are atrociously balanced as they dont have the new radar or weapon update. I also find little incentive in achieving a 152 spartan rank. Its ok its there, but all it really does is show how long youve played.
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> > > > > > > i dont expect to ever be champion. thatll never be my skill level. My main problem is when playing those 10 games every 2 months, I could easily not be at my best for various reasons. internet could go out, unlucky in matchmaking, etc. What I dont like is theres a good chance I can find myself back to where I started. Ill be honest, I havent experienced this much because I dont play much ranked. I just know its possible and just that thought makes me not care about my rank that im grinding and gives me one more reason to stop playing…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should I have to try and gain my original rank back with the possibility for whatever reason fail to do so. Its basically saying, youve worked hard. but im gonna reset your rank, better hope you dont mess up in the next 10 games. It doesnt really matter what the main reason 343 added a mandatory reset is. It makes the game less fun imo. It should be an option, or not there at all. I dont like the feeling of having to prove myself every so often with the possibility of messing up, and starting the grind over again. If I feel i want to gamble getting a higher rank than what i have, then let me decide. If we have to have seasons then I could deal with 6 month seasons. 6 months is a nice amount of time to grind for a casual/competitive player.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > halo 5 has a FUN ranking system. they are just shooting themselves in the foot with the resets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you could have a bad night while trying to qualify. Then you still have two whole months to fix that situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course you have to prove yourself every so often. In fact, in every game. When, in ranked gameplay, are you not trying to prove something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are laboring under the misapprehension that the game cannot adequately understand your skill level in ten games. Or in an entire two month long season. I would argue that that’s true, but it has nothing to do with the length of time the game spends watching you play. This game knows what rank you are in way less than ten matches. And has a robust mechanism for changing your rank if it finds that it’s made a mistake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misapprehension #2: With lots of hard work and slog you can significantly change your rank for the better. For the average player this is simply not true. People refuse to believe it and are often offended when I say it out loud, but that doesn’t change the fact. And at any rate, if you really think you’re going to improve over time, then your rank will reflect that no matter how often the season resets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can see that you’re seriously resistant to the idea of short seasons, but I’m still not seeing how they’re working against anything that you’re trying to accomplish. They don’t stop you from trying to improve your game, and they let you keep your highest rank as the front-and-center trophy on your service record. Has it been your experience that you’re getting slightly lower ranks in a given playlist with each passing season?
> > > > >
> > > > > i played ranked over a year ago. I barely remember how it went. Im back playing the weapon tuning test. i got ranked gold 1, im now platinum 3 setting my goal for diamond. if i play 10 bad games in a row. I will probably still be platinum. If i play 10 bad game in a row qualifying, I would probably get bronze or silver. your punished a lot more for messing up in those 10 qualifying games. you say i have 2 months to grind myself back up. Why the hell would i even do that if i had a higher rank previously just so i can possibly have this alll happen again when the 2 months is over. Id rather just leave it and try again next season or perhaps even forget about halo completely.
> > > > >
> > > > > If i take a break from halo, im going to be rusty and those 10 games arent going to be great. basically anytime you take a break from halo you are punished with a crappier rank that you have to regrind rather than just have 10 bad games on your current rank to get up to speed again. In the end the only people who get the most enjoyment out of halo are the ones who continually play it, while it punishes players who play it less frequently
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> > > You are punished the same in qualifying as if you would be if you were already ranked. Lose 10 games in a row as a Plat 3, you’ll likely be between Gold 5 and Plat 1 depending on your competition (assuming an average of 10-15 CSR is lost per match). And considering you wound up a Gold 1 after qualifying, you definitely would have been a Silver after losing 10 matches since the system probably thought you were a High Silver/Low Gold player to begin with. So you can pretend like you’re being punished more for losing games in qualifying, but it’s simply not true.
> >
> > ok im gonna test it. i havent played swat in over a year. I got diamond last time. I will play like a silver player. according to your theory, I should still be atleast gold after 10 games since i shouldnt be able to be deranked that much in 10 games? i mean can one really go from diamond to gold in 10 games anyway? surely i would be low platinum.
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> So…you’re going to screw with 7 other people’s games just because?
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> And then people wonder about ranks.
Has this thread been buried? its not showing up in the forum posts. im i missing something
FYI - your hidden MMR carries over from season to season. So if you perform poorly in placement matches relative to your previous MMR, you may rank a bit lower but you’re not suddenly going to go from diamond to silver unless you deliberately try to lose games.
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> FYI - your hidden MMR carries over from season to season. So if you perform poorly in placement matches relative to your previous MMR, you may rank a bit lower but you’re not suddenly going to go from diamond to silver unless you deliberately try to lose games.
if i lost 10 games in a row, i cant imagine I would be silver from a diamond but during qualifying, im guessing its probably possible. I will try to play my 10 games of swat. Theres a very fine line between good and bad in that mode. And just by taking my foot of the gas a little, im probably gonna be poor. I will play sweaty in 1 game just so the ranking knows I can be a good player. I think its worth testing. I mean shouldnt this qualifying stage match my skill on a game by game basis and not what my previous rank was? Isnt this the whole point of the qualifying matches?
Ive played 2 games of swat. i got smashed and now im being put against golds. My previous rank only mattered for the first game of the qualifying season, as i suspected.
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> if i lost 10 games in a row, i cant imagine I would be silver from a diamond but during qualifying, im guessing its probably possible. I will try to play my 10 games of swat. Theres a very fine line between good and bad in that mode. And just by taking my foot of the gas a little, im probably gonna be poor. I will play sweaty in 1 game just so the ranking knows I can be a good player. I think its worth testing. I mean shouldnt this qualifying stage match my skill on a game by game basis and not what my previous rank was? Isnt this the whole point of the qualifying matches?
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> Ive played 2 games of swat. i got smashed and now im being put against golds. My previous rank only mattered for the first game of the qualifying season, as i suspected.
If there’s a very fine line between good and bad in that mode, it’s probably not the best ground for testing your theory. Because now by the way you described it, maybe you were playing at a gold level skill just now, by simply taking your foot off the gas a bit. In most other playlists, even if you’re a little rusty you won’t be playing two full ranks below your skill level from last season.
I’m not personally a big fan of the short seasons, but one advantage is that if you’re skill really has changed, for better or worse, your CSR can more easily adjust to reflect that during the new season qualification matches.