So many people have been asking how Halo 5: Guardians can claim the throne of top FPS. Many people have said it has to do with keeping classic Halo mechanics and Arena gameplay. That would NOT work. Arena Slayer is one of my favorites and it’s still fun, but to non-Halo players it is a normal FPS game. So what is Halo? A sci-fi shooter with aliens and a giant war. Notice how I said “giant”. This is the key for Halo’s future success.
We need large-scale battles.
Halo CE featured small-team maps for competitive combat, but there are only so many competitive “pros” in the community. The other half of CE was large maps with vehicles. Vehicles! FPS’s with vehicles was virtually unheard of in 2001. Now in 2015, the only major console FPS with vehicles is Battlefield, and that is a modern shooter. If Halo embraced this sci-fi with large-scale battles in the campaign and multiplayer, it could gain a lot of followers, who would then get better and join the small-team competitive playlists.
Obviously the campaign will feature large-scale battles thanks to the Xbox One and the Cloud. This is pretty much guaranteed. But if Halo implemented a 32v32 social playlist with join-in-progress and lots of huge vehicles, millions of people would buy the game. There are already so many vehicles in the Halo universe, with the existing games and Halo Wars, and new vehicles being added to the lineup. But this is why Promethean vehicles should be added.
Promethean vehicles could work in a way unique to any other vehicles. Rather than being a mount, the Promethean vehicles should be body-extensions. This would make the vehicles work in the lore and campaign. If Promethean Knights wore the vehicles like an armor upgrade, this could severely help Halo 5. For example, a Forerunner “light bike”, that when worn by a Knight, allows him to mutate into a Ghost-looking hover bike. This bike would have a gun somewhat like a LightRifle mounted on the front. Note that this is still a vehicle, and you can shoot the Knight’s head at a weak spot at the side of the bike, killing him and allowing you to ride the vehicle, which wraps around your body.
This would open up entire new vehicle designs, and 343i could use this to attract a new crowd to Halo, as well as make Prometheans more dynamic and fun to fight. Allowing big-team battles with large UNSC, Covenant, and Promethean vehicles would make Halo 5 have a chance to retake the throne that Halo 3 once had.
It would need much more then that, You can’t assume Halo 5 can be successful soley on BTB
Prometheans are basically living vehicles. Why would they need vehicles?
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That’s why I said “body additions”. These would allow Prometheans to merge with upgrades to fight on unique landscapes, say they need to fight in space or on water, or in an open field.
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> It would need much more then that, You can’t assume Halo 5 can be successful soley on BTB
While Halo 5 can’t ride on BTB alone, it has no competition to large-scale sci-fi battles with aliens. This would help bring people to Halo 5 and buy the game.
I like the idea. I’m a fan of Battlefield for it’s large, open battles and focus on teamwork - I’d love to see something similar in Halo. The maps would have to be HUGE though, as Spartans can run fast already
OP, just you dont like Halo.
I agree, the large scale battles would be very fun and help get more people interested, seeing as halo would have a completely different feel compared to battlefield it would help new guys get used to combat and than that mode would most likely attract the new guys, leaving the more experienced to battle it out in smaller matches. Because really, it is not as much fun being a new guy non stop getting killed and not fun for the experienced guy because he does not have a challenge.
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> OP, just you dont like Halo.
Im afraid i have to “agree” with this post.
You seem to enjoy everything in Halo that “isnt” Halo.
You kinda remind me of someone else coughSammycough
I don’t know about about you guys but I think we’ll be surprised.
We had a taste on Arena, but Mutliplayer will be more than the Arena part I think.
In my opinion, 343i is cooking something big in Multiplayer, like an entirely new mode wich mix Invasion, multi races, Titanfall like AI, and probably a bit of Battlefield too.
We’ll see, but I’m feeling something like that. Something huge.
BTB is fun, but I do not solely play that every time I get on. I prefer competitive 4v4 Hardcore style playlists. I don’t like how Battlefield maps are huge with massive amounts of players.
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You two should be ashamed of yourselves for further increasing the toxicity in this community.
Obviously he does like halo, otherwise he wouldn’t be here on the Halo 5 forum nearly a year before release suggesting ideas to make the game better.
He may have a different vision of what halo should be then you two, but these are called opinions. I could just as easily say you guys don’t like halo because you seem to be unsupportive of vehicles, a staple in Halo since CE
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I agree with Onyx this is the reason why the community is so split on everything. People in the mindset of “if it’s not the Halo that’s in my head your wrong”, its sad really.
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> He may have a different vision of what halo should be then you two, but these are called opinions. I could just as easily say you guys don’t like halo because you seem to be unsupportive of vehicles, a staple in Halo since CE
‘I disagree with you!’
‘STOP BEING TOXIC! PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUIN THIS COMMUNITY’
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There’s nothing to disagree with. You two just came in here and claimed the OP does mot like halo because he doesn’t have the same vision for it as you do.
No constructive criticism, and no polite feedback. That is toxicity in a nutshell.
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If there is nothing to disagree with, then this whole thread is either about OP being completely right or completely wrong. Even then you can disagree with something.
I dont doubt OP’s love for Halo. But i do doubt his love for the series. He is almost obsessed at this point about defending 343I and Halo 5. Most of his ideas are really far fetched and downright weird in Halo’s standards. I mentioned Sammy previously. He was just like OP. Obsessed with proving that 343I is alright and Halo 4 is the greatest game ever made.
This idea could work, as long as they make 4v4 super competitive, no sprint, no smart scope etc. just classic halo. Then innovate the BTB experience to draw in the casual audience, bigger teams, more vehicles etc. Then everyone is happy.
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There’s nothing for me to disagree with because you have yet to provide an argument beyond “OP does not like halo”.
I for one think he has some excellent ideas, though 32vs32 may be overally optimistic. I’d say 16vs16 would be a more reasonable goal.
I mean when you look at the halo 5 arena beta, sure its great to have old style arena combat back, but nothing in it really stands out as next-Gen.
Imagine playing a btb game with multiple tanks and aircraft on each team, with a huge map to traverse. Now those kind of huge battles would stand out as next-Gen things worthy of buying a new console for.
And you have to remember, btb is a large part of Halo now as a whole. In halo 4 the btb population outnumbered those in regular team slayer, and the same could possibly be said of Reach if you combined the populations of btb and invasion at any given time.
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> This idea could work, as long as they make 4v4 super competitive, no sprint, no smart scope etc. just classic halo. Then innovate the BTB experience to draw in the casual audience, bigger teams, more vehicles etc. Then everyone is happy.
I think if they had a mode (classic Halo, no sprint, only the original style scope, thrusters gone, etc.) that was just that, alongside the slayer they showed in the beta, the community might not be AS hostile about the game. But I think at this point, most of this community has made up their minds about the way Halo 5 is going.
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They without a doubt will. Every newer halo has gotten a stripped down classic playlist at some point in its life cycle.
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> Obviously he does like halo, otherwise he wouldn’t be here on the Halo 5 forum nearly a year before release suggesting ideas to make the game better.
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> He may have a different vision of what halo should be then you two, but these are called opinions. I could just as easily say you guys don’t like halo because you seem to be unsupportive of vehicles, a staple in Halo since CE
I love basketball but I want 11 players per team a big field with green grass and two goals… Is a opinion? Or maybe I dont like basketball?
For massive battles Battlefield, for tons of weapons Borderlands, for fastkill times CoD, etc…
I like different shooters, and OP want all in one shooter.
Well, put the -Yoinking!- massive battles in CoD (the king of casuals FPS) and dont ruin (for people like me) the -Yoinking!- FPS market making clonic games with different skins.
His opinion ruin games for people like me, my opinion dont ruin games just offer more variety.