How far has the UNSC fleet advanced?

This may seem like an obvious question, but I’m going to ask it anyway- Exactly how far has the UNSC fleet advanced since the events of Halo 3 in 2553?

During Halo 3, Lord Hood states that he has only a handful of ships left; these are later shown to be a few frigates and Longsword fighters. At this time, the Infinity is half-built and lacks its Forerunner tech (a feature later added thanks to Dr. Halsey), and a few ships are presumably left in systems away from Earth. Aside from this, though, the UNSC essentially has no Navy.

Fast forward to 2557 onward; the Infinity is now complete and in action, and is being hyped as an invincible force and humanity’s ultimate power. However, it really isn’t enough to ensure human dominance by itself. It’s only one ship, and not even the biggest out there.
343 has over-focused on Infinity in its media (games, books, comics, etc.), and as a result we’ve learned very little about the UNSC’s reconstruction efforts elsewhere. Presumably the Navy is rebuilt and improved, aided by Huragok and Forerunner technology; does anyone else know exactly what assets and ships the UNSC has available now?

I did notice a small clue in Spartan Ops; when Infinity arrives at Requiem and engages the Storm Covenant there, it deploys a number of frigates as escorts. When one of these frigates is hit by Covenant fire, energy shields can be seen flaring along its length.
Does this mean the UNSC has added shields and similarly improved technology to all of its ships? How large of a fleet does the Navy have aside from Infinity and its battlegroup?

If anyone can help me out with this, thanks…

> This may seem like an obvious question, but I’m going to ask it anyway- Exactly how far has the UNSC fleet advanced since the events of Halo 3 in 2553?
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> During Halo 3, Lord Hood states that he has only a handful of ships left; these are later shown to be a few frigates and Longsword fighters. At this time, the Infinity is half-built and lacks its Forerunner tech (a feature later added thanks to Dr. Halsey), and a few ships are presumably left in systems away from Earth. Aside from this, though, the UNSC essentially has no Navy.
>
> Fast forward to 2557 onward; the Infinity is now complete and in action, and is being hyped as an invincible force and humanity’s ultimate power. However, it really isn’t enough to ensure human dominance by itself. It’s only one ship, and not even the biggest out there.
> 343 has over-focused on Infinity in its media (games, books, comics, etc.), and as a result we’ve learned very little about the UNSC’s reconstruction efforts elsewhere. Presumably the Navy is rebuilt and improved, aided by Huragok and Forerunner technology; does anyone else know exactly what assets and ships the UNSC has available now?
>
> I did notice a small clue in Spartan Ops; when Infinity arrives at Requiem and engages the Storm Covenant there, it deploys a number of frigates as escorts. When one of these frigates is hit by Covenant fire, energy shields can be seen flaring along its length.
> Does this mean the UNSC has added shields and similarly improved technology to all of its ships? How large of a fleet does the Navy have aside from Infinity and its battlegroup?
>
> If anyone can help me out with this, thanks…

It is possible that the UNSC had hundreds of ships left during the events of halo 3. Some might have been months away protecting some of the serving inner colonies or in petrol or were still in slipspace in route to earth. The UNSC didn’t have the fastest FTL and it took a long time to get any where.

About post war, they upgraded big time.

Strident class heavy Frigate, the one you see being deployed from the Infinity. Its equipped with a heavy MAC and not a light MAC like the charons and tge biggest of all the other frigate classes.

Autumn Class Heavy cruiser, essentially the pillar of autumn but 300 meters bigger and probably wity energy shields as stridents are equipped with shields. And the Infinity is escorted by 13 of this things (Battlegroup Dakota).

Sahara class heavy prowler. 281 meters long, 155 meters wide and 62 meters high. It has Pulse lasers, shivas and Hornet mines. And the Infinity has a hanger large enough to fit one in with allot of left over space, allot.

We also see a few unknown cruisers in requem deploying spartans after halsey got kidnapped. So either they managed to get to requem in under a day like the Infinity or were in route for a while. If they did get to requem in under a day or a few, the UNSC is now have way better FTL drives.

And we further see more unknown ships taking fire and being blown up by the didacts ship when you are told to disable the Particle Cannons. As well as a crap ton of Broadswords on the back ground.

In the Thursdays war we have Pelicans upgraded with slipspace drives thanks to some Huragoks.

And about the Huragoks, the UNSC would have every ship in the fleet by 2558 equipped with a compartment of Huragoks. It was in mentioned in the Thursdays war.

The Infinitys MACs are capable of engaging the didact at a range of over 5000 thousand km and hit under a second. So the Infinity either has ship SMAC’s or something close to it.

About Fleet strength, unknown. Could be in the hundreds or even in prewar numbers. It might have seam like the UNSC was on the wrong end of the stick by the of the war. They really weren’t. They had a ton of surviving colonies. And with the war over they can concentrate on rebuilding and not mass producing everything to ship out and to get destroyed by the Covenant. In 5 years they could have fully recovered, in terms of ships numbers, as they are not getting blasted a week after leaving the ship yard.

SpartanDog pretty much summed it up, except…

> And about the Huragoks, the UNSC would have every ship in the fleet by 2558 equipped with a compartment of Huragoks. It was in mentioned in the Thursdays war.

Parangosky later mentioned that this would not happen, as some of the Huragok carried classified intel about the Forerunners.

> It is possible that the UNSC had hundreds of ships left during the events of halo 3. Some might have been months away protecting some of the serving inner colonies or in petrol or were still in slipspace in route to earth. The UNSC didn’t have the fastest FTL and it took a long time to get any where.
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> About post war, they upgraded big time.
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> Strident class heavy Frigate, the one you see being deployed from the Infinity. Its equipped with a heavy MAC and not a light MAC like the charons and tge biggest of all the other frigate classes.
>
> Autumn Class Heavy cruiser, essentially the pillar of autumn but 300 meters bigger and probably wity energy shields as stridents are equipped with shields. And the Infinity is escorted by 13 of this things (Battlegroup Dakota).
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> Sahara class heavy prowler. 281 meters long, 155 meters wide and 62 meters high. It has Pulse lasers, shivas and Hornet mines. And the Infinity has a hanger large enough to fit one in with allot of left over space, allot.
>
> We also see a few unknown cruisers in requem deploying spartans after halsey got kidnapped. So either they managed to get to requem in under a day like the Infinity or were in route for a while. If they did get to requem in under a day or a few, the UNSC is now have way better FTL drives.
>
> And we further see more unknown ships taking fire and being blown up by the didacts ship when you are told to disable the Particle Cannons. As well as a crap ton of Broadswords on the back ground.
>
> In the Thursdays war we have Pelicans upgraded with slipspace drives thanks to some Huragoks.
>
> And about the Huragoks, the UNSC would have every ship in the fleet by 2558 equipped with a compartment of Huragoks. It was in mentioned in the Thursdays war.
>
> The Infinitys MACs are capable of engaging the didact at a range of over 5000 thousand km and hit under a second. So the Infinity either has ship SMAC’s or something close to it.
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> About Fleet strength, unknown. Could be in the hundreds or even in prewar numbers. It might have seam like the UNSC was on the wrong end of the stick by the of the war. They really weren’t. They had a ton of surviving colonies. And with the war over they can concentrate on rebuilding and not mass producing everything to ship out and to get destroyed by the Covenant. In 5 years they could have fully recovered, in terms of ships numbers, as they are not getting blasted a week after leaving the ship yard.

OK, thanks for the explanation! There is one thing, though; in Halo 2, Sgt. Johnson mentions that ships have been arriving constantly just prior to Regret’s arrival at Earth. Surely the UNSC would have regrouped nearly every ship to Earth and not left hundreds of ships out in the colonies.
Anyway, thanks for giving me this information…

> OK, thanks for the explanation! There is one thing, though; in Halo 2, Sgt. Johnson mentions that ships have been arriving constantly just prior to Regret’s arrival at Earth. Surely the UNSC would have regrouped nearly every ship to Earth and not left hundreds of ships out in the colonies.
> Anyway, thanks for giving me this information…

Sorry about the grammar, I typed that up at 4 in the morning.

About the ships.

Like I said they could have been from near by petrols and near by colonies. They wouldn’t leave them self in a vulnerable situation by abandoning their colonise to defend a single planet (granted one of their most important planet). Their could also still have been ships still in slipspace trying to get to earth but being weeks to even months away do to how slow their FTL is. So I guess you can say that what saved humanity from having hundreds of ships left to having nothing left was do to how slow it takes to get anywhere and that some were a little late to the party.

But other than that they recovered fast. A single fleet worth of over a dozen 1400 meter cruisers a few dozen frigates and 10 additional frigates and an unknown number of prowlers to escort a single ship. A little over kill.

Who knows what earth defense fleet is composed off and what other ships they have that we haven’t seen yet.

> SpartanDog pretty much summed it up, except…
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> > And about the Huragoks, the UNSC would have every ship in the fleet by 2558 equipped with a compartment of Huragoks. It was in mentioned in the Thursdays war.
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> Parangosky later mentioned that this would not happen, as some of the Huragok carried classified intel about the Forerunners.

Well lucky for the UNSC that she’s no longer in charge than (she was only in charge of ONI tho). Also, didn’t she want to put collar bombs on them incase they got to the wrong hands? If so, glad she is out off the picture than. Those poor little guys.

Well anyway, really want to know who said that “by 2558 every ship would have a compartment of Huragoks”. Well anyway, I have the book so I’ll be looking it up and I’ll try to find the quote.

This guy wanted http://erickyboo.tumblr.com/image/76074345537 on ships.

I like huragoks, can you tell?

> This may seem like an obvious question, but I’m going to ask it anyway- Exactly how far has the UNSC fleet advanced since the events of Halo 3 in 2553?

There’s no reason to believe that it has progressed much on a global scale. The Infinity is a technology demonstrator, and as such it is probable that it and its fleet are just field tests.

> 343 has over-focused on Infinity in its media (games, books, comics, etc.), and as a result we’ve learned very little about the UNSC’s reconstruction efforts elsewhere. Presumably the Navy is rebuilt and improved, aided by Huragok and Forerunner technology; does anyone else know exactly what assets and ships the UNSC has available now?

The UNSC won’t have the manpower, money or resources to rebuild or improve its whole fleet within 5 years. What that is essentially saying is that decades worth of pre-war ship construction using the pre-war industry and economy of mankind can somehow be replicated many times over by a devastated post war human civilization with more than 85% of the species wiped out, most of its colonies gone and with them the vast majority of its economic-industrial power.

It would make a lot more sense for the Infinity and its fleet to be almost all that humanity has, especially given that the Infinity sucked up so much funding during the last years of the war.

Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?

Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.

They could have a decent sized number of ships - Huragok seem able to build anything out of anything and we know the Forerunners tapped into other dimensions for power and could re-purpose things like nobodies business. I know there are fears about letting the Huragok run away with the technology, but when you are in a jam with various Covie groups out there - asking your new found tech-lord squid friends to help you knock out a few, what is to them, simple Human ships might be prudent.

> It is possible that the UNSC had hundreds of ships left during the events of halo 3. Some might have been months away protecting some of the serving inner colonies or in petrol or were still in slipspace in route to earth. The UNSC didn’t have the fastest FTL and it took a long time to get any where.

Not without things getting even more contrived.

In Halo:Reach, it was stated that sixty percent of the UNSC Navy was en-route to Reach. The first battle group was slated to arrive on August 16th. The rest had two weeks to arrive before Reach fell.

Then came the Battle of Earth. On October 20th, the Covenant stumbled onto Earth. This was nearly two months after Reach fell, and Sergeant Johnson stated that ships had been arriving all morning. So, parts of the UNSC Navy were already withdrawing to Earth.

Even then, staying away from Earth is no guarantee of survival. Patterson’s Battle Group was destroyed over Onyx save for their Prowler.

Halsey predicted that the UNSC had only a few months left. This was prior to the Battle of Reach, when everybody thought that the Covenant would work their way to Reach instead of skipping the intervening colonies.

If Hood only had a handful of ships left on Earth during Halo 3, then I’d guess that the UNSC’s navy totaled in the high double-digits at most.

> About post war, they upgraded big time.

Which is essentially a plothole and a retcon all in one.
Plothole: if the Covenant assault on the Sol system was as bad as Halo 3 (Civilian casualties were… extreme) and Glasslands (Sidney is a wreck, with the implication that it’s like that all over) then the UNSC’s production capacity ought to be crippled.

The retcon is in what the Huragok can do. Prior to the Kilo 5 novels, they were repairers with a hint of gadgeteer genius. Fabricating a slipspace engine from scratch was something they explicitly couldn’t do. They couldn’t build something out of nothing. And, at the risk of stepping into an inescapable recursion, I posit that there’s a plothole opened up by the Huragok retcon: If the original Forerunner Huragok could instantly upgrade a ship to Forerunner lite, why isn’t the 3,500-year-old Covenant Empire closer to the Forerunner’s tech level?

> About Fleet strength, unknown. Could be in the hundreds or even in prewar numbers

With Reach and other industrial centers gone? Impossible.

> Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?

39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.

The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.

343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.

Then it’s just maths from that point on.

> Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.

None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.

> > Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?
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> 39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.
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> The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.
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> 343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.
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> Then it’s just maths from that point on.
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> > Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.
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> None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.

False, Earth’s population is back in the billions due to successful evacuations.
Sauce https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792

> > > Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?
> >
> > 39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.
> >
> > The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.
> >
> > 343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.
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> > Then it’s just maths from that point on.
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> >
> >
> > > Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.
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> > None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.
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> False, Earth’s population is back in the billions due to successful evacuations.
> Sauce https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792

Nope. It’s impossible to evacuate billions in the few months Earth had prior to the invasion. They pulled a Deus Ex Machina on this hard. They didn’t want to accept the fact Bungie brought the human population to 200 million so they decided to make up the notion that Earth was evacuated with imaginary ships that could carry billions in only a few months and get them back. It would take thousands of Phoenix class colony ships to evacuate Earth. Thousands. And I don’t mean something like 2,000(which we didn’t even have a fraction of), i’m talking well into the hundreds of thousands. Hood requisitioned all ships to fight for Home fleet which barely numbered over 100. If we had thousands of Phoenix class ships fighting with us for the battle of Earth we would’ve won it without a sweat. It’s bull, and i’m calling 343 out on it.

> > > Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?
> >
> > 39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.
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> > The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.
> >
> > 343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.
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> > Then it’s just maths from that point on.
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> > > Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.
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> > None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.
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> False, Earth’s population is back in the billions due to successful evacuations.
> Sauce https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792

“…many of these returning evacuees <mark>and refugees from other worlds</mark>.”

That’s the part that I think we should be giving more weight to here. The 6 billion that I said survived on other worlds are likely now populating Earth after the war due to the UNSC’s inability to now support all of these colonies, as many of them had severe dependencies before the war (Such as reliance on worlds like Harvest to supply food. Some of them may also require funding from the UNSC to keep their civil services running smoothly, funding that is no longer available due to the greatly dilapidated economic strength of the UNSC).

Otherwise it’s not possible to evacuate even a tenth of the population as the invasion began. Even assuming that these “billions” have come from other colonies in order to escape famine, unemployment, etc is still pushing it for me.

> > > > Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?
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> > > 39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.
> > >
> > > The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.
> > >
> > > 343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.
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> > > Then it’s just maths from that point on.
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> > >
> > >
> > > > Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.
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> > > None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.
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> > False, Earth’s population is back in the billions due to successful evacuations.
> > Sauce https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792
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> Nope. It’s impossible to evacuate billions in the few months Earth had prior to the invasion. They pulled a Deus Ex Machina on this hard. They didn’t want to accept the fact Bungie brought the human population to 200 million so they decided to make up the notion that Earth was evacuated with imaginary ships that could carry billions in only a few months and get them back. It would take thousands of Phoenix class colony ships to evacuate Earth. Thousands. And I don’t mean something like 2,000(which we didn’t even have a fraction of), i’m talking well into the hundreds of thousands. Hood requisitioned all ships to fight for Home fleet which barely numbered over 100. If we had thousands of Phoenix class ships fighting with us for the battle of Earth we would’ve won it without a sweat. It’s bull, and i’m calling 343 out on it.

Well it sounds like you just have to deal with it. Sauce is sauce.

> > > > > Where re you getting 85% of humans wiped out?
> > > >
> > > > 39 billion pre-war; this I get from Halsey’s journal.
> > > >
> > > > The death toll at the beginning of Halo 2 was 23 billion, as revealed by Cortana during the Evolution’s story Palace Hotel.
> > > >
> > > > 343i told us on their twitter feed that Earth had 10 billion before the invasion, and that it is now 200 million. Taking into consideration that it is logistically impossible to evacuate even a few hundred million people given the circumstances and the UNSC’s level of technology, most of them were probably killed by the orbital bombardment that Keyes talked about during halo 3.
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> > > > Then it’s just maths from that point on.
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> > > >
> > > > > Humans have managed to make more breakthroughs thanks to a bunch of factors during the end and post-war.
> > > >
> > > > None of them are going to replace 33 billion people in 5 years. The funding and manpower that the UNSC used to get to its pre-war level of power is almost entirely gone. To make matters worse is the fact that they almost bankrupt the UNSC with the Infinity, so they will have limited funding reserves to dip into should they wish to mass produce upgraded ships in the near future. As far as breakthroughs are concerned in general, I don’t see much to be impressed about either.
> > >
> > > False, Earth’s population is back in the billions due to successful evacuations.
> > > Sauce https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792
> >
> > Nope. It’s impossible to evacuate billions in the few months Earth had prior to the invasion. They pulled a Deus Ex Machina on this hard. They didn’t want to accept the fact Bungie brought the human population to 200 million so they decided to make up the notion that Earth was evacuated with imaginary ships that could carry billions in only a few months and get them back. It would take thousands of Phoenix class colony ships to evacuate Earth. Thousands. And I don’t mean something like 2,000(which we didn’t even have a fraction of), i’m talking well into the hundreds of thousands. Hood requisitioned all ships to fight for Home fleet which barely numbered over 100. If we had thousands of Phoenix class ships fighting with us for the battle of Earth we would’ve won it without a sweat. It’s bull, and i’m calling 343 out on it.
>
> Well it sounds like you just have to deal with it. Sauce is sauce.

It’ll be retconned soon enough. A tweet is hardly a source for something as big as the human population. It’s impossible, and you can see that me along with others realize this. 343 will soon realize, “oh -Yoink-, we made a tweet that is physically impossible!” and say something about it. C’mon Frank, i’m looking at you. Fix this crap.

The tweet is -Yoink!-. There has been a long time to add births too.

I doubt 60% of the UNSC fleet went to Reach.
Like, no nukes.

Operation red flag.

> The tweet is -Yoink!-. There has been a long time to add births too.

No, there hasn’t been a long time to add births.

Let’s be generous and use Liberia’s population growth rate of 4.55%, which is astounding, especially since they’re recovering from a civil war.

P=Poe^RT

Where P is final population, Po is the initial population, R is the rate of growth, and T is the time span under investigation.

P=(200 million)e^(0.04556)=262780049. That’s just over a 25% increase. Hardly billions.

> I doubt 60% of the UNSC fleet went to Reach.

Auntie Dot didn’t say that the UNSC was calling out to 60% of it’s fleet. That 60% was already inbound, with two weeks to arrive.

> Like, no nukes.

That’s why they were inbound.

> Operation red flag.

Required the use of one ship.

> No, there hasn’t been a long time to add births.
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> Let’s be generous and use Liberia’s population growth rate of 4.55%, which is astounding, especially since they’re recovering from a civil war.
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> P=Poe^RT
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> Where P is final population, Po is the initial population, R is the rate of growth, and T is the time span under investigation.
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> P=(200 million)e^(0.04556)=262780049. That’s just over a 25% increase. Hardly billions.

Ok, can you do an estimate population growth over the course of 27 years? Starting from 39 billion.