I think we all believe that The Ur-Didact survived the fall into the slipspace portal at the end of Halo 4 (especially since he heard talk to in the epilogue off screen). My question is how do you think he’ll come back, and where do you think he went?
I agree. I feel he will comeback, 343i kind of built him up afterall. One game is silly. How? I have not a clue.
You’d be surprised how many people adamantly fight that his prologue speech happened in the forerunner saga.
That said, it’d make the most sense for him to have been dropped off on requiem, seeing as that is where the data would logically be sent. That said, its odd there’s no mention of him surviving in Spartan Ops, especially from the Librarian AI.
Odds are he’s off looking for another composer or something else to ruin humanity’s day.
Having him only in one game would be pretty silly, considering how much work they put in to explaining why there are 2 didacts.
> You’d be surprised how many people adamantly fight that his prologue speech happened in the forerunner saga.
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> That said, it’d make the most sense for him to have been dropped off on requiem, seeing as that is where the data would logically be sent. That said, its odd there’s no mention of him surviving in Spartan Ops, especially from the Librarian AI.
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> Odds are he’s off looking for another composer or something else to ruin humanity’s day.
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> Having him only in one game would be pretty silly, considering how much work they put in to explaining why there are 2 didacts.
Well keep in mind that explanation of the 2 Didacts were in the BOOKS. We don’t know how 343 is going to integrate the stuff from the books with the games yet (unless something happened in Spartan OPs).
Actually I rescind my previous comments about him out looking for another composer. The Epilogue seems to suggest he’s been tried by forerunners, or at least AI’s.
If the Ur-Didact is imprisoned by other Forerunner, I can see Jul 'Mdama attempting to break him out. Obviously we have no idea where these Forerunner are but perhaps that’s the point of the Janus Key. It will not only show us all their technology, but where they actually are as well. Jul could use any Promethean Knights he still has to gain access to any Installation he might be in.
He’ll walk out in a robe and slippers with a cup of coffee in his hand and a newspaper in the other, sip and say, “Humans, bloody typical”.
> If the Ur-Didact is imprisoned by other Forerunner, I can see Jul 'Mdama attempting to break him out. Obviously we have no idea where these Forerunner are but perhaps that’s the point of the Janus Key. It will not only show us all their technology, but where they actually are as well. Jul could use any Promethean Knights he still has to gain access to any Installation he might be in.
The Janus key could explain where the composed humans went as well as the Didact I would assume.
Wow. I just kind of necro-posted.
My fault.
Recovered by Jul or maybe by remaining Forerunners
I had a crazy idea that the giant robot from the Halo 5 Teaser was a War-Sphinx, but not for guarding Mendicant Bias, but the Ur-Didact’s cell (IF he is indeed still alive).
> Wow. I just kind of necro-posted.
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> My fault.
That wasn’t really a Necropost though.
OT:
I have a feeling that the Ur-Didact is manipulating Jul 'Mdama to achieve his own ends and/or free him from the remaining Forerunners who obviously have him on trial. This is where the Janus Key come’s to play. Since the Librarian said to Halsey that “it was intended for my Husband to help your people when his meditation was complete”, we can assume that the Ur-Didact informed Jul of this artifact and the power that was concealed in it. Knowing that he will be able to free a God, and also gain an unimaginable power, Jul now follows the Didact’s orders without question.
So, with that being said, we can expect Jul to gain the other half of the Janus Key if we ever want the Ur-Didact to return. However, if Jul did gain the complete Janus Key, that would put a giant black screen on the survival of the protagonist.
This may be when a greater power emerges and forces everyone to stand together against one common enemy: The Flood…
> In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat. I ask ‘Why?’. We are Forerunners, guardians of all the exists. The roots of the galaxy have grown deep under out careful tending. Where there is life, the wisdom of our countless generations have saturated the soil. Our strength is a luminous sun towards which all intelligence blossoms and the impervious shelter beneath which it has prospered. I stand before you, accused of the sin of assuring Forerunner ascendancy. Of attempting to save us from this fate while we are forced to… recede. Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy. Refusing to eradicate them is a fool’s gambit. We squander eons in the darkness while they seize our triumphs for their own. The Mantle of Responsibility for all things belong to Forerunners alone. Think of my acts as you will, but do not doubt the reality. The Reclamation has already begun… and we are hopeless to stop it.
When the Didact voiced this dialogue is easily up in the air. He could have made this speech to the Forerunner Council after the defeat of the Humans and their following Composer-ization and de-evolution. I tend to believe this train of thought to be more accurate than speaking to his Prometheans. They do not have free will. They do not judge. And I doubt there’s enough Forerunners remaining during 2552 and onward to constitute as community or society of the last remaining Forerunners in existence.
As far as we know, the last remaining Forerunner forces gathered at the Greater Ark and perished when the Flood swarmed them and the Installation and Halo were destroyed. The Didact’s Shield World plans fell through and wasn’t supported by the council in favor of the Master Builder’s Halo Array. There was the “IsoDidact”/Bornstellar-Didact and a few Lifeworkers on the Lesser Ark, but also as far as we know, they all perished when Bornstellar activated the Halo Array.
At this point in time, we do not know the exact number of Forerunners that remain in their natural form (non-Composer-ized). The Ur-Didact could very well be the last Forerunner.
The Ur-Didact was “touched” by a Flood Gravemind, twisting him into what and who we know. On top of his hatred towards Humanity for their atrocities in combating the Flood and killing all of his children. He is bound to have more Shield Worlds like Requiem. If he is not on one, he could be on a Halo, or any other Forerunner construct that litters the galaxy. I believe he somehow teleported before Mantle’s Approach and the Composer were destroyed. He could have also been somehow recovered by Jul 'Mdama, but I don’t think that would go well with either The Didact and Dr. Halsey.
> As far as we know, the last remaining Forerunner forces gathered at the Greater Ark and perished when the Flood swarmed them and the Installation and Halo were destroyed. The Didact’s Shield World plans fell through and wasn’t supported by the council in favor of the Master Builder’s Halo Array. There was the “IsoDidact”/Bornstellar-Didact and a few Lifeworkers on the Lesser Ark, but also as far as we know, they all perished when Bornstellar activated the Halo Array.
> At this point in time, we do not know the exact number of Forerunners that remain in their natural form (non-Composer-ized). The Ur-Didact could very well be the last Forerunner.
Forerunner did survive the Halo Ring and left the Galaxy. It is unknown where they went but in the Silentium Epilogue it was hopeful that,
“Perhaps one day your children will make their way back, and I hope meet our children.”
I wouldn’t assume the Forerunner are all dead just yet. There are also certain things within the Ur-Didact’s speech that implies he is in modern times.
“In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat. I ask ‘Why?’”
The Ur-Didact was imprisoned in his Cryptum before the Halo Rings fired and therefore he could not reference their victory as he did not see it at the time. However, now that he is awake he can see that they did indeed win, but they are not currently masters of the Galaxy like they were before. Hence he sees it as defeat.
“I stand before you, accused of the sin of assuring Forerunner ascendancy. Of attempting to save us from this fate while we are forced to… recede.”
He was never arrested or brought to any kind of trial in Halo Silentium. After his taking of the Humans he left, only to be confronted by his wife alone.
“We squander eons in the darkness while they seize our triumphs for their own.”
Humans were in no position to seize Forerunner triumphs for their own 100,000 years ago. Humans in the 26th Century on the other hand are rapidly seizing any Forerunner tech they can get their hands on. Eon’s in the Darkness also implies a great passage of time, say 100,000 years post Forerunner-Flood War.
I would bet that the Halo 4 Epilogue is definitely set in the present time.
I believe The Ur Didact is somewhere on trial. Other Forerunners are questioning him. I can’t begin to guess where they are. I would have thought the lesser Ark, but we didn’t see them there the first time we visited it. Perhapse they are in some kind of ship.
I could see the start of Halo 5 being similar to Halo 2’s opening cutscene. We witness the trial of the Didact cutting back and forth between the trial and something else UNSC related.
> I believe The Ur Didact is somewhere on trial. Other Forerunners are questioning him. I can’t begin to guess where they are. I would have thought the lesser Ark, but we didn’t see them there the first time we visited it. Perhapse they are in some kind of ship.
> I could see the start of Halo 5 being similar to Halo 2’s opening cutscene. We witness the trial of the Didact cutting back and forth between the trial and something else UNSC related.
I agree with this completely.
I recall reading somewhere them (Frankie?) saying that his character would be developed over the Saga (then trilogy, I think.)
So yeah he’s gonna come back, but I don’t care much to speculate how. I could a little but it’d be rather pointless because there’s little in terms of clues…
> I believe The Ur Didact is somewhere on trial. Other Forerunners are questioning him. I can’t begin to guess where they are. I would have thought the lesser Ark, but we didn’t see them there the first time we visited it. Perhapse they are in some kind of ship.
> <mark>I could see the start of Halo 5 being similar to Halo 2’s opening cutscene. We witness the trial of the Didact cutting back and forth between the trial and something else UNSC related.</mark>
I’d rather it only focused in the Didact, I really don’t care about the UNSC
I figure Ur-Didact will be on trial. Sounds like that at the end of Halo 4.
It seems to me that you all are missing a big point. Chief wasn’t on Requiem for a long time. I am pretty sure that wasn’t enough time for Jul to get all this info on Requiem. Namely how to destory it. Also Fireteam Crimson recovered an Promethean AI core, inside it was human memories from when the Didact attacked earth. Clearly the portal went to Requiem. I won’t deny that the Didact in the Epilogue is standing trail after the events in Halo 4. Everything he says supports this. However I believe it took place sometime after that. My reasons for this is because that pulse grenade that Chief placed on him clearly did damge to the Didact and it would have taken time for him to recover from it.