Look at this star map. It seems pretty accurate(Except I thought Sigma Octanus was closer to the Inner Colonies) As you can see all of human space is in a tiny tiny fraction of the galaxy. However as you know the Halo rings are spread evenly through the galaxy as to leave no blind spots.
So how exactly did the In Amber Clad get from Human space all the way to the Halo ring? It should have taken them centuries to do so. You can say “But the UNSC got to Installation 04 fine” Yes you can argue thats the ring thats closest to human space but remember the rings are spread through-out the ENTIRE galaxy so the nearest one would be very VERY far away. So wtf? You can also argue they used the Covenant’s “Slipstream wake” to boost their speed but even then the distance is VAST. Hell even the Covenant should have taken forever to get there. So what the hell?
Also if all these species live in this tiny fraction then the galaxy should have thousands of species among the galaxy judging from its size. Where are they? They should be all mixed in aswell.
Another thing if this is such a tiny fraction of the Galaxy then why is everything the Forerunner had important to the Halo Array only in the tiny fraction? One of the rings, the portal to the Ark, the species they saved, countless labs and codes leading to the rings, the Shield Worlds etc. all of it in this tiny TINY fraction. Why? The Forerunners 100,000 years ago had the whole galaxy to work with why is everything important here and not spread across the galaxy like the rings themsleves?
> > It took a month, I believe. It’s not as instant as Halo 2 makes it look. I’m also not seeing Installation 05 on that map.
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> You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
Well, the jump was actually about 13 days, but anyway.
Covenant ships travel through slipspace significantly faster than human ships. In Amber Clad was able to ride the slipspace wake from Regret’s ship, allowing for the shorter-than-normal jump.
> > > It took a month, I believe. It’s not as instant as Halo 2 makes it look. I’m also not seeing Installation 05 on that map.
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> > You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
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> Well, the jump was actually about 13 days, but anyway.
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> Covenant ships travel through slipspace significantly faster than human ships. In Amber Clad was able to ride the slipspace wake from Regret’s ship, allowing for the shorter-than-normal jump.
Even then that seems too fast. If Covenant travel is that fast then how did the war even last 30 years?
> You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
Yes, I did read your post. Please, do not freak out here.
And how can we be certain that Installation 05 is way off the map? Do we know exactly where it is? Having an accurate layout would be very helpful.
And the Covies still had to find the UNSC worlds. There was hundreds of UNSC planets. The Covenant Fleet can only glass so much at a time And yeah, the In Amber Clad traveled on the Carrier’s slipspace wake.
> > > > It took a month, I believe. It’s not as instant as Halo 2 makes it look. I’m also not seeing Installation 05 on that map.
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> > > You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
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> > Well, the jump was actually about 13 days, but anyway.
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> > Covenant ships travel through slipspace significantly faster than human ships. In Amber Clad was able to ride the slipspace wake from Regret’s ship, allowing for the shorter-than-normal jump.
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> Even then that seems too fast. If Covenant travel is that fast then how did the war even last 30 years?
Even if you can get to your destination pretty much in the blink of an eye you still have to find your destination first. And that’s what the Covenant had to do to find UNSC colonies. They didn’t know where any were and had to find them first, and the Cole Protocol greatly thwarted their efforts in searching out human colonies. That’s why the war lasted 30 years, things always take longer if you have to find them first.
> > > > It took a month, I believe. It’s not as instant as Halo 2 makes it look. I’m also not seeing Installation 05 on that map.
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> > > You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
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> > Well, the jump was actually about 13 days, but anyway.
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> > Covenant ships travel through slipspace significantly faster than human ships. In Amber Clad was able to ride the slipspace wake from Regret’s ship, allowing for the shorter-than-normal jump.
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> Even then that seems too fast. If Covenant travel is that fast then how did the war even last 30 years?
Simply because the Covenant mainly found Human worlds by accident. Think of Sigma Octanus IV. The Covenant went there to find a Forerunner Artifact, but once it was found to be a human world, they called in reinforcements.
Ok so even if Covenant can travel that fast then Covenant controlled space must be massive compared to Human controlled space. Yet all their homeworlds seem close together. What are the chances of that?
And my other questions in the OP still have no answers.
> Ok so even if Covenant can travel that fast then Covenant controlled space must be massive compared to Human controlled space. Yet all their homeworlds seem close together. What are the chances of that?
What does their home worlds being close together have to do the speed of which their ships can move? From what I can gather from the lore of Halo, is that the Covenant’s tech is mostly based around Forerunner tech, or what they under stand from research of Forerunner tech, who’s to say their faster slip space drives are some how build from forerunner based tech, the forerunners most likely had a very massive knowledge when it comes to slip space, and how to control it, so I’m guessing they know how to cut travel time in half.
> And my other questions in the OP still have no answers.
JackofHearts87 and Toa Freak both answered your question on how the UNSC got there. And before you go arguing about how the covenant even got there, I got two questions for you. #1 Do you even think the map you have is layed out right? Maybe the map is side ways? Maybe the map is showing a small part of the Covenant’s controled space? #2 Do you think they Covenant really only has group of ships out of a very large armada of ships, out scouting, looking for forerunner tech? Maybe the Covenant has an old map of where the Halo Rings was first placed?
I also want to ask you something, do you read the books? Or do you just play the campaigns? And have you read, or are you reading the Forerunner saga that Greg Bear?
There are at lest 3 books that are coming out for Halo, 2 of them with in the next 6 months, maybe they’ll explain your questions? Maybe not, to be honest the questions you’re asking are just minor details. I mean, come on, if you know every last bit of info about Halo, the hows, the whys, the who, the when, and the wheres, it makes the story really uninteresting, and boring.
> Ok so even if Covenant can travel that fast then Covenant controlled space must be massive compared to Human controlled space. Yet all their homeworlds seem close together. What are the chances of that?
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> And my other questions in the OP still have no answers.
The only known location of a Covenant Home world is Eayn in the Y’Deio system, and only because it corresponds to a real star in real life. Even then, it’s mere conjecture that such worlds are supposed to correspond to their real-life counterpart locations.
The rest of the Covenant controlled territory, a long with the other home worlds, is pure fantasy, as there’s never been a confirmed real star name for each home world’s stellar system location to compare to real life other than the Kig-Yar. Hence the reason it says Covenant Systems - All speculation. So I’d take it with a grain of salt that they’ve lumped the home worlds so closely together.
Not only that, but the location of Installation 04 is pure fantasy as well. There’s no star correlation/location for the real world as of yet.
I’ve also done a map and this is based on typing known names that corresponded to names in the haloverse and then plotted their stars in Celestia, the real-time astronomy program. Considering space is 3D, even my map can vary just by how much I rotate the camera around Sol (Earth), although I tried to get as flat as perspective view as possible base don the Galactic Picture (Zoomed far out) I have in the lower left hand corner (You can barely see the green dots all lumped together in the upper center/left arm which even then doesn’t show just how small this area of space truly is).
I won’t speculate on the many items of Forerunner tech and the reasons why they’re literally all within a relatively small area. But at least for the Ark Portal, it’d make sense that if the Forerunners intended for Humanity to “reclaim” their lost heritage that the Forerunners took away as well as be the next stewards of the galaxy, they’d put the main portal to their Ark of information (for Alien DNA records/Life Records/Tech Records) on our Home world.
What really sucks is the fact that we ended up destroying it at the end of Halo 3. And there could be more flood out there that could start the whole thing over again and now we have no way to fire the rings as a last ditched effort simultaneously nor do we have a way to replace the destroyed Installation 04 or any other future potentially destroyed Installation.
> > You missed my point. A month is waaaaay too short. Also of course you dont see it on the map. Did you read my post? Its VERY VERY far out of that map.
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> Yes, I did read your post. Please, do not freak out here.
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> And how can we be certain that Installation 05 is way off the map? Do we know exactly where it is? Having an accurate layout would be very helpful.
Sorry I did not mean to sound hostile.
> JackofHearts87 and Toa Freak both answered your question on how the UNSC got there.
I was referring to the other questions as in why everything important to the Halo Array was in this tiny fraction of the Galaxy.
> > Ok so even if Covenant can travel that fast then Covenant controlled space must be massive compared to Human controlled space. Yet all their homeworlds seem close together. What are the chances of that?
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> > And my other questions in the OP still have no answers.
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> The only known location of a Covenant Home world is Eayn in the Y’Deio system, and only because it corresponds to a real star in real life. Even then, it’s mere conjecture that such worlds are supposed to correspond to their real-life counterpart locations.
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> The rest of the Covenant controlled territory, a long with the other home worlds, is pure fantasy, as there’s never been a confirmed real star name for each home world’s stellar system location to compare to real life other than the Kig-Yar. Hence the reason it says Covenant Systems - All speculation. So I’d take it with a grain of salt that they’ve lumped the home worlds so closely together.
And yeah, the In Amber Clad traveled on the Carrier’s slipspace wake.