I’d enjoy him more if he was grittier. Like Clint Eastwood in The Man With No Name series. Gritty, unknown, dark
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> Having him die valiantly in the intro to Halo 6 saving some space kittens, then replacing him with Thorne, Buck
Buck replaced Thorne.
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> since the politically correct brigade want more female main characters just use Palmer.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Halo has always had a lot of prominent female characters (Cortana, Foehammer, Miranda Keyes, Anders, Serina, Grant, Halsey, Osman, Kat, Kelly, Linda, Naomi, Alice, Holly, Librarian, Parangosky, Dare … even a lot of the extended lore characters have been in the book “Fall of Reach” which released before Combat Evolved did). Hope this isn’t too upsetting for you.
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Bleach lots and lots of bleach
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> Same way people came to like the Arbiter: time.
You keep comparing Locke to the Arbiter, yet the Arbiter had two things going for him:
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He was part of showing this all-new side of Halo. It was not only interesting to learn about him but also the Covenant.
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He had a pretty fantastic character arc in Halo 2, still the deepest one in any Halo game IMO. He was disgraced due to Chief’s actions in Halo CE, and had his faith shaken to the point of turning his back on the Covenant in the end.
Locke doesn’t really have that, and overall he’s a forgettable addition to the story. Yes, he may have tact, but I hardly consider that an overly-interesting character trait. He has this badass backstory as an ONI assassin that only has importance at the very beginning, and that ends up being terrible because he uses his skill to kill off a good character too early for no reason.
Give him a more interesting arc, THEN he’ll be on par with Arbiter.
They could maybe have a backround game. Halo: Locke or something to the equivalent of that. It would be cool to see what Locke was like before Halo 5.
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> Locke doesn’t really have that, and overall he’s a forgettable addition to the story. Yes, he may have tact, but I hardly consider that an overly-interesting character trait. He has this badass backstory as an ONI assassin that only has importance at the very beginning, and that ends up being terrible because he uses his skill to kill off a good character too early for no reason.
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I’m not comparing the two characters. I’m comparing the reactions they got from the fans upon their inception. The hatred. Very similar.
Arbiter, like you said, “He had a pretty fantastic character arc in Halo 2, still the deepest one in any Halo game IMO” and this is very true. More so than Chief, Johnson (who’s name we didn’t even learn until Halo 2 unless you cracked a book), or anyone else. So again, I’m not comparing the two characters in terms of their substance. They’re only similar in one aspect: they’re playable and they share a title and the screen with the Chief. So how was Arbiter received when he took game time away from Chief verses Locke? Turns out, just about as poorly … I remember.
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I figured as much about Thorne, I don’t think that was the best move but that’s just my opinion.
In regards to your second point you are 100% correct, the Halo franchise definitely has a lot of prominent female characters. But the half -Yoinked!- point I was making was just that lately there’s a vocal minority calling for game designers to make their primary character female to cater to them. I could probably find some links but a simple google search should suffice. Either way I’m a huge fan of most of the female characters in the Halo universe with the exception of Tanaka. I just think Palmer would have been a better fit then Locke.
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> In regards to your second point you are 100% correct, the Halo franchise definitely has a lot of prominent female characters. But the half -Yoinked!- point I was making was just that lately there’s a vocal minority calling for game designers to make their primary character female to cater to them. I could probably find some links but a simple google search should suffice. Either way I’m a huge fan of most of the female characters in the Halo universe with the exception of Tanaka. I just think Palmer would have been a better fit then Locke.
oh, who cares? I don’t want my Fireteam to be a sausage fest. lol
I definitely prefer Locke than Palmer. And not a Palmer hater, either. You know how everyone was up in arms over the whole “thought you’d be taller” line from Halo 4? They thought she was being disrespectful? I don’t think they realized it was meant to be a cheeky little spin on the line the marines used to say in Halo CE when they’d first see you “whoa, he’s taller than I thought … more handsome too”. So when she said “thought you’d be taller”, it’s an inside joke.
I think fireteam Osiris will be more of a “sidekick” to blue team, cause there’s just no replacing Chiefs popularity.
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> I definitely prefer Locke than Palmer. And not a Palmer hater, either. You know how everyone was up in arms over the whole “thought you’d be taller” line from Halo 4? They thought she was being disrespectful? I don’t think they realized it was meant to be a cheeky little spin on the line the marines used to say in Halo CE when they’d first see you “whoa, he’s taller than I thought … more handsome too”. So when she said “thought you’d be taller”, it’s an inside joke.
I’ve seen those threads too, that line doesn’t bother me much either. And I wasn’t promoting a sausage fest as indicated by supporting Palmer. I’m just not a fan of Locke, I think they were trying to make him someone he’s not, and at the expense of having Blue team featured at 1/3rd of the game opposed to Osiris’ game time…it makes me like him less. I loved Spartan Ops, love Blue Team, loved playing as Blue Team with MC at the lead…Locke just left a lot to be desired. At any rate I hope H6 see’s improvement even if stuck with Locke.
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> Same way people came to like the Arbiter: time.
I remember when everyone hated the Arbiter…
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> > As much as i hope not but theres always a possibility that spartan locke will come back. Lets give 343i some tips on how to make locke a better character. He is one of the worst characters in Halo, so how can he be improved?
I don’t remember that being a problem with Sgt. Johnson.
First off they should have actually told the story that they set up with the pre-release stuff they put out. The ads, along with the Hunt The Truth podcast set up a potentially amazing campaign that would have naturally made Locke a better character, and would have provided him a big opportunity to show a struggle between looking at Master Chief as the Hero we’ve always known him to be vs having to do his job and hunt him down.
Looking at the games only, it seems as though Locke was tasked with chasing down the chief because he disobeyed an order and stole a pelican (lol). But if you paid attention to the pre-release stuff like the hunt the truth podcast, Chief was a wanted man for being accused of some pretty bad stuff. I don’t want to spoil it but essentially he was being accused of working with the covenant and killing some humans high profile govt. people (I definitely reccommend listening to the podcast, it’s great).
If they would have actually included this backstory in the game, I think it would have naturally made Locke a better character and made it easier for them to develop him in the actual Campaign.
But, 343 left this out, along with a ranked 2v2 playlist and Team Snipers.
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> I actually like him more than John tbh. He actually has a personality and is a badass. If I wanted a protagonist that doesn’t do anything but kill people I’d play Doom with Doomguy.
heresy
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> First off they should have actually told the story that they set up with the pre-release stuff they put out. The ads, along with the Hunt The Truth podcast set up a potentially amazing campaign that would have naturally made Locke a better character, and would have provided him a big opportunity to show a struggle between looking at Master Chief as the Hero we’ve always known him to be vs having to do his job and hunt him down.
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> Looking at the games only, it seems as though Locke was tasked with chasing down the chief because he disobeyed an order and stole a pelican (lol). But if you paid attention to the pre-release stuff like the hunt the truth podcast, Chief was a wanted man for being accused of some pretty bad stuff. I don’t want to spoil it but essentially he was being accused of working with the covenant and killing some humans high profile govt. people (I definitely reccommend listening to the podcast, it’s great).
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While I agree that Halo 5’s story is incredibly disappointing in comparison to Hunt the Truth, the two go side by side. One was ONI propaganda and the attempt of a journalist to expose it–what the public heard while Chief and Blue Team were AWOL–and the other (Halo 5) is what actually happened. Basically, aside from the confusion of Chief’s failed rescue of the diplomat (what first looked like he and some Remnant faction committed a terror act, when in fact he was rescuing the diplomat from said terrorists. But that was just before the events of Halo 5).
When he and Blue Team went after Cortana, ONI flipped out and faked his death. Hunt the Truth is the lie, Halo 5 is the Truth. Which … unfortunately, like most conspiracies, Hunt the Truth was much more enjoyable and interesting than Halo 5 itself.
I never hated the Arbiter, knowing from jump that he was voiced by Keith David makes it impossible for me to hate him lol, but I didn’t like the fact he split time evenly with Chief in H2. I like it even less that Locke has MORE face time than the Chief, and I don’t like that 343i is trying to make him a new ‘main’ character. He should be in the storyline though, without a doubt. He has ties to both Chief AND Arbiter. I will agree, though, that 343i has injected more personality (and dialogue) into the Chief in two full games than over a decade of games and books sanctioned by Bungie, and despite my issues with H4’s campaign and story (and there are several) I did like where the story was going…And then H5 took a left turn at bat -Yoink- crazy and here we are.
Locke will grow on people. I like his character, but would prefer he stay a second (or third) fiddle to the Chief.
Arbiter Spinoff series plz!
There’s nothing wrong with Locke. In fact, I like him and liked playing him in the campaign. I really don’t get what’s people big deal with H5 campaign or Locke.
Sarah Palmer, on the other hand is a totally different topic. God, I hate her with a passion.
kill him off
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> There’s nothing wrong with Locke. In fact, I like him and liked playing him in the campaign. I really don’t get what’s people big deal with H5 campaign or Locke.
> Sarah Palmer, on the other hand is a totally different topic. God, I hate her with a passion.
“He’s boring” (cuz chief was so entertaining?), "he takes spotlight from chief (arbiter didn’t? And even the arbiter took hear because of it), “he did nothing important in h5” (hmm, well he did save chief, he helped arbiter end civil war, and he saves buck twice whom so many fans like). People hate just to hate without looking into it.
fyi I actually like Palmer since she’s a -Yoink- to everyone but she installs discipline and maintains order among the Spartan 4s. Plus she’s voiced by Jennifer hale which is a big bonus.
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More story for him in the cutscenes. I think he has the potential to become a really awesome character, but 343 just hasn’t done that yet. Or maybe ever.
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We also need more Master Chief action, which is a little ironic, but the reason people are so mad about Locke is because he replaced Master Chief in Halo 5.
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We need Master Chief to like Locke and we need to see them working together. Master Chief and Locke weren’t exactly on friendly terms in Halo 5.
I think these changes could make Locke better.