So guys, I wondered how accurate you believe your arena playlist division placements are when you have played your 10 ranking matches? I personally have found them to be woefully inaccurate for me, having repeatedly placed 2 divisions lower in ffa than i have ended a season at (plat 1 to onyx for instance in season 1 and plat 4 to onyx 1663 this season. I believe i should have placed higher every time i have been placed in a division. I wanted to see if this was a widespread opinion or if people were generally impressed with the placememt system.
How well have you guys been placed? Have you been placed accurately in your opinion? Have you ended the season in the division you were placed in? This poll hopes to see whether theranking system is great for most people and only penalises a few others, or is just generally trash, with a few exceptions. Please answer the poll question and leave comments below if you feel like it!
Thanks,
Admiral Crispy
I typically rank somewhere in between Onyx and Plat. My first time getting ranked into Swat I was put into Gold despite winning every game and crushing the opponents.
FFA on the other hand, I only took 1st 3 times, then proceeded to take around 5th place for the other 7 and got placed in Onyx.
Arena and TS were pretty spot on though.
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> I typically rank somewhere in between Onyx and Plat. My first time getting ranked into Swat I was put into Gold despite winning every game and crushing the opponents.
> FFA on the other hand, I only took 1st 3 times, then proceeded to take around 5th place for the other 7 and got placed in Onyx.
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> Arena and TS were pretty spot on though.
Congrats on your onyx ffa! 
Your SWAT experience seems confusing, surely the system should have made you face more challenging opponents throughout qualifying? I do wonder what criteria the system uses to place people.
I don’t think qualifying matters AT ALL. I don’t care what tier your in. When you match against players with CSRs double or even triple your own something is seriously wrong. I think the ranking/season system sucks! If everyone started at bronze and climbed from there Onyx would actually be an accomplishment.
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> I don’t think qualifying matters AT ALL. I don’t care what tier your in. When you match against players with CSRs double or even triple your own something is seriously wrong. I think the ranking/season system sucks! If everyone started at bronze and climbed from there Onyx would actually be an accomplishment.
I think its the hidden mmr causing the problem. Some gold players for example have an mmr that plats or diamonds have but havent played enough games to grind to the rank. Too often i have seen gold players who should have a diamond rank and so on.
MY concern is that if qualifying divisions are wrong some people who should rank higher are discouraged from playing enougg to reach their true rank and tose ranked too highly get demoralised. Plus if ranks are wrong people may believe they should beat a plat player who is really onyx for example. If ranks are accurate to begin with though the problem is solved. Would be interesting to know the criteria for reaching each division is…
I personally prefer the idea of qualifying at higher ranks like the system intends if you get placed in the right division as grinding gets tedious, but i dont think it works in practice. Shame as it would be awesome if it did…
So after day 1 the feeling seems to be that the placement system is at least not completely accurate. There seems to be slightly more negativity or general feeling of randomness in where the system places you than accuracy. If you feel you are placed accurately how accurate has it been? If it isnt, how many divisions out has it been? And what is the cause of this? Of course this is all subject to change, so please keep voting!
On some things, they seem accurate, like for me in Breakout I am a Plat 1. Totally accept that.
Then I go onto ffa, win 2 of my 11 games at a 1.031 k/d, and get Onyx 1533. Too high I think
Then I go to Team Arena, where I am placed Gold 4 with 1.527 k/d and 6 wins out of 11. I think that is more of Gold 6 to Plat 1 standard. Too low I think
Some ranks are just bizarre, I tend to find that the least populated playlists: ffa, breakout, swat I tend to do better in, but the more populated ones, there is lots of problems.
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> On some things, they seem accurate, like for me in Breakout I am a Plat 1. Totally accept that.
> Then I go onto ffa, win 2 of my 11 games at a 1.031 k/d, and get Onyx 1533. Too high I think
> Then I go to Team Arena, where I am placed Gold 4 with 1.527 k/d and 6 wins out of 11. I think that is more of Gold 6 to Plat 1 standard. Too low I think
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> Some ranks are just bizarre, I tend to find that the least populated playlists: ffa, breakout, swat I tend to do better in, but the more populated ones, there is lots of problems.
Nice job dude on your onyx ffa! Wish i got placed in onyx for ffa for once like i should be though! I believe my true ranks to be Onyx 1650-1700 for ffa (it reached onyx 1663 this season), diamond 2 for slayer, plat 2 for team arena and plat 2 for breakout. Oh and diamond 1 for swat. Thats being brutally honest and possibly being conservative, based on how well i do against similar players.The only placement division that i get placed in closely i believe is breakout where i place gold 6 consistently. The rest arent even close. Always get a division too low in slayer and team arena, two too low in ffa and swat.
So similar to you, i find the ranks to not be very accurate for me 
I guess the problem is that no matter what i only get matched with golds and plats in placement games. Maybe it is a regional problem.
So guys at the end of 2 days around 20 people have voted by my Maths. So far only 20 per cent of people are placed mostly correctly or better vs 50 per cent who feel they are placed mostly wrongly or worse. With 30 per cent sayig it is arpund 50:50 it seems so far at least that most people are saying the system us inaccurate for them. So far it does seem to indicate dissatisfaction with a system supposed to get your skill right after 10 games-it seems more people than not think this doesnt happen.
Please keep voting as results could change with more voters and leave any comments below. It will also make results more accurate. Hopefully 343 will look at this and use this as feedback, good or bad, to make the system work well for everybody.
I can win 9/10 Usually always going to get platinum 6 then as diamond 1 since winning I only play onyx and champions all the way up diamond. To be honest halos matchmaking system is bogged at the moment. It makes no sense seems the only way for champion in my playlist is no life, but I have a life. So its not who is the best, its who has no life. lol sad to say but thats true if you can grind you can be #1 even if I can beat #1 won’t matter I don’t play all day and night.
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> I can win 9/10 Usually always going to get platinum 6 then as diamond 1 since winning I only play onyx and champions all the way up diamond. To be honest halos matchmaking system is bogged at the moment. It makes no sense seems the only way for champion in my playlist is no life, but I have a life. So its not who is the best, its who has no life. lol sad to say but thats true if you can grind you can be #1 even if I can beat #1 won’t matter I don’t play all day and night.
Agreed. The whole point of the placement system was to prevent a grind for the majority who cant play tens of matches a season, but instead it is so inaccurate people have no choice. I dont want to play 80 plus matches a month in just one playlist to get somewhere near my true rank. Seeing as i get awful placements continually that would mean 400 plus matches in a season to get all my playlist ranks nearly accurate. That is absolutely bonkers. Who has a job and family etc and can do that? The whole point of the qualifying system was to substantially reduce that. But it doesnt cos it is wrong, i believe on purpose to encourage grinding to ranks. That and not matching you against a range of skill levels
If people could place in champion it would mean everyone can get placed properly. The rank cap at onyx 1700 has caused a lot of the grinding probs. Oh and match us against the full range of skills in placement. Its just not happening.
So i agree, 343 please lift the placement cap of onyx 1700. The people who got champ in the one season without a cap at all were the ones who deserved it anyway. Just cos snipedown got champ 1 after 10 games in breakout isnt a bad thing like everyone complained about-he is probably the worlds best so he was just placed correctly.
And the trickle down effect would mean that people wont be placed too low because the guys at the top arent placed too low. It helps everybody.
So its day 3 and the number of people happy about ranks have plummeted, whilst most are now ecpressing dissatisfaction by a big majority. The fact that 13 per cent (only about 1 in 8) believe most of their ranks are accurate is pretty damning. Only a third say their ranks are proverbially hit or miss whilst over half say they are inaccurate. In fact more people say that the ranks are completely wrong than those who are mostly or perfectly ranked combined.
Surely 343 should look at this in more detail and find out why people feel like this?
As ever, please vote and leave comments below. In particular what you believe is or is not causing the system to behave like it is.
The system should consider how well on average you perform against a tier, maybe even to see the highest rank you kept a 1 k/d against, then place you in that tier.
For example, if you average a 1.0 k/d against onyx ~1600 players, but a 1.2 or higher against diamonds, it should place you in the onyx .
If you average a 2.5 k/d against platinum, but a 1.1 k/d against diamond, you shouldnt be placed in platinum.
Also, a pro player, named Vetoed, is currently champ 5 for FFA. In his placements, Vetoed won ALL games, half of which were against high diamomd players, and the other half consisted of onyx and champion players. His resulting k/d was around 1.8
He is rewarded diamond 6.
He was also champ in FFA last season
Just makes 0 sence. I dont see the reason for ranks if theres no general idea on what rank is considered good, or bad.
I agree the system is bad. The Vetoed situation should never ever happen. I would change your example to kda as i frequently support play in team games so get less kills. But thats personal preference.
However i never get to play anyone but golds and plats at all in placement games. Not sure if its a regional problem-i know many onyx ffa players in europe place plat. How are you supposed to place accurately if the system doesnt match you against the entire skill range? Im locked into plat before i even start playing which is highly unfair. I would love to know what rankd im really at!
Mostly inaccurate for my playlists 
So at the end of day 4 and results seem to be stabilising now. So it appears the vast majority do not get placed more accurately than not - 14 to 86 per cent against. And less than a third say their ranks are mostly 50:50. Thats a majority of over 50 per cent who believe the majority of the time at least that their ranks are wrong. In fact those who say they are entirely wrong is almost the same as those who say their ranks are mostly accurate or better.
The question now becomes will 343 take notice? Will they listen to our concerns? And is the problem largey regional? Remember this is a system designed to place us correctly after 10 games!
I am now considering a poll to see to what extent the placements are wrong i.e. 2 divisions too low, one too high etc…
Any thoughts? And remember, keep voting!
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> I don’t think qualifying matters AT ALL. I don’t care what tier your in. When you match against players with CSRs double or even triple your own something is seriously wrong. I think the ranking/season system sucks! If everyone started at bronze and climbed from there Onyx would actually be an accomplishment.
This would be much better
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> > I don’t think qualifying matters AT ALL. I don’t care what tier your in. When you match against players with CSRs double or even triple your own something is seriously wrong. I think the ranking/season system sucks! If everyone started at bronze and climbed from there Onyx would actually be an accomplishment.
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Agreed to a certain extent. I know that by grinding from plat to middle onyx in ffa twice and once from diamond that i actually am an onyx ffa player cos i had to work hard and prove i deserve to be there. Some people far luckier than I get placed in Onyx and perhaps should be in Diamond. Though i have to day in europe tha seems incredibly unlikely. We tend to place too low from what i have seen
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> > I don’t think qualifying matters AT ALL. I don’t care what tier your in. When you match against players with CSRs double or even triple your own something is seriously wrong. I think the ranking/season system sucks! If everyone started at bronze and climbed from there Onyx would actually be an accomplishment.
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> I think its the hidden mmr causing the problem. Some gold players for example have an mmr that plats or diamonds have but havent played enough games to grind to the rank. Too often i have seen gold players who should have a diamond rank and so on.
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> MY concern is that if qualifying divisions are wrong some people who should rank higher are discouraged from playing enougg to reach their true rank and tose ranked too highly get demoralised. Plus if ranks are wrong people may believe they should beat a plat player who is really onyx for example. If ranks are accurate to begin with though the problem is solved. Would be interesting to know the criteria for reaching each division is…
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> I personally prefer the idea of qualifying at higher ranks like the system intends if you get placed in the right division as grinding gets tedious, but i dont think it works in practice. Shame as it would be awesome if it did…
I can see your concern about getting wrecked every match for placing too high. I feel like I typically get placed too low. I’m all for climbing the ladder to rank up but with only a month to do it, it’s not enough time. At this point being that there are seasons I’d favor a 3 month season so there’s enough time to grind and appreciate ranking high. And everyone starts at bronze 1, no qualifying, and ranks up from there. CSR is weighted most heavily for matching players, not tier. Great players will rank fast, and less skilled players will have a softer learning curve. This way difficulty increases gradually for everyone, and there’s enough time improve at a given tier/level and appreciate hard earned ranks.
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> > MY concern is that if qualifying divisions are wrong some people who should rank higher are discouraged from playing enougg to reach their true rank and tose ranked too highly get demoralised. Plus if ranks are wrong people may believe they should beat a plat player who is really onyx for example. If ranks are accurate to begin with though the problem is solved. Would be interesting to know the criteria for reaching each division is…
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> I can see your concern about getting wrecked every match for placing too high. I feel like I typically get placed too low. I’m all for climbing the ladder to rank up but with only a month to do it, it’s not enough time. At this point being that there are seasons I’d favor a 3 month season so there’s enough time to grind and appreciate ranking high. And everyone starts at bronze 1, no qualifying, and ranks up from there. CSR is weighted most heavily for matching players, not tier. Great players will rank fast, and less skilled players will have a softer learning curve. This way difficulty increases gradually for everyone, and there’s enough time improve at a given tier/level and appreciate hard earned ranks.
I also get typically placed too low. In fact i have never come remotely close to placing too high. In ffa way too low. Its rare that i get wrecked even in teams where my team is going very negative. Now region lock has gone i can see how much my rank has been knocked down cos eu players have been unfairly punished by the system. Watching streams and my own matches i feel that players have to be a higher standard in some regions than others to get the exact same rank.
I agree that season should be longer. But i am also sick and tired of grinding to my true rank when others do not have to. Playing 100 games in each playlist a seaon is getting incredibly annoying. Especially when i am blatantly onyx for ffa placing in plat. It just doesnt feel worth the grind any more. And when you have all the top eu players grinding against each other in plat/diamond in ffa to try to get to onyx it really slows you down. And shows how ridiculously the rank system places you in the EU. I feel that will cause problems if everyone started bronze 1 for example.