Listen up competitive players because this one is for you. Here is a vid by Goldenboy in it, if you skip to 8:30, he speaks about all of the new drama that has risen in our community and how we are basically destroying ourselves and preventing our own growth.
We needed to ban together, even if Halo 4 wasn’t the “perfect” game people were hoping for, and lay the foundations from within our community for the scene to grow with Halo 5. But no the constant in fighting, people leaving for either Halo 3 or CoD (primarily CoD cause no one plays H3), and bashing the Dev its too much. It doesn’t help any one and our scene won’t grow as a result and will instead be stunted or regress. We are going to be a mess as far as the scene goes even if Halo 5 turns out great because our community is in such a state.
343i has shown that they want the competitive and professional scene to grow with the updates they have done, working with Ghost on Throwdown, and giving us a huge tournament with the Global Championship. They have done so much more than Bungie ever did for the scene. It was our turn to do our part and come together, but we failed epically. So we can blame 343i for Halo 4 not being everything we were hoping for but we can’t blame them for not trying to improve and not being supportive. And we have no one to blame but ourselves for letting the state of the community go to hell.
In many ways the community is its own worst enemy.
You’re right. It seems to be out of our control, but it’s not. We have to learn how to politely criticize while staying positive and highlighting the positive things.
Competitive Halo will see a resurgence when it is the same game as default Halo. Which means the developers need to make a game acceptable to the competitive scene or the competitive scene needs to accept the game made by the developers.
Having a different game for competitive play then for the game that most play is a sure fire way to ensure a low population.
It is really that simple.
It would have been a lot better if 343 had released updates more quickly. By the time they finally implemented requested changes the much of the population had left, so there is really no way to know if they were truly successful in tweaking the gameplay for the majority.
Maybe next time they will have better communication with the customers to ensure they get repeat sales.
> Competitive Halo will see a resurgence when it is the same game as default Halo. Which means the developers need to make a game acceptable to the competitive scene or the competitive scene needs to accept the game made by the developers.
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> Having a different game for competitive play then for the game that most play is a sure fire way to ensure a low population.
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> It is really that simple.
That’s true but I’m saying what we could have done in the mean time is say this: “Hey Halo 4 isn’t the best but it is what it is. We’ll take it, support it, and work with 343i and let them know what we want in terms of feasible updates. But more importantly let them know what we want and need in Halo 5.”
That way the foundations in our community as far as support and dialog would have been there that we could take Halo 5 in stride and have a quicker resurgence. But with how fractured this community is now that’s going to be a much slower process.
> It would have been a lot better if 343 had released updates more quickly. By the time they finally implemented requested changes the much of the population had left, so there is really no way to know if they were truly successful in tweaking the gameplay for the majority.
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> Maybe next time they will have better communication with the customers to ensure they get repeat sales.
I agree the “Turbo” update should have been quicker but that’s not the issue here. The issue is the people we have now, the people that could be the corner stone of Halo 5 are so fractured and so bent on fighting and doing stupid stuff that we are going to have a ruff time growing from within. We could have had those growing pains now and could have been ready for Halo 5, but we didn’t and we won’t.
I see Halo rising up in the years to come. 343i knows what’s up by now and how to be innovative AND deliver successfully.
Plus there’s Spielberg.
Halo is FAR from over, I’m calling it now.
> > It would have been a lot better if 343 had released updates more quickly. By the time they finally implemented requested changes the much of the population had left, so there is really no way to know if they were truly successful in tweaking the gameplay for the majority.
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> > Maybe next time they will have better communication with the customers to ensure they get repeat sales.
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> I agree the “Turbo” update should have been quicker but that’s not the issue here. The issue is the people we have now, the people that could be the corner stone of Halo 5 are so fractured and so bent on fighting and doing stupid stuff that we are going to have a ruff time growing from within. We could have had those growing pains now and could have been ready for Halo 5, but we didn’t and we won’t.
I’ve been supporting 343 and Halo 4 for almost an entire year.
But I’ve simply had enough.
“Our patience is not infinite.”
So my theory of the community killing the Halo franchise is true?
This community tried to support 343i but when it takes them so long to adjust, implement or fix things people loose their patients and many players did give their opinions but 343i never got involved till it was to late.
Bravo is probably the only one that gave this community a breath of fresh air and actually seems to try his best to be a supportive role in this community and actually discusses certain aspects of the game with the community. He may not have the authority to release certain information but at least you see him lurking around the forum and getting involved.
I get a feeling things get addressed with 343. Like forge island and the red x. I enjoy halo 4, not as much as previous halos mind you, but it’s still an ok game. I still support 343, unless halo 5 is bad. I think 343 has too much feedback for that to happen, I hope.
Problem is a lot of fans want to write “drama television series” type rants that personally gear insults towards 343.
> Problem is a lot of fans want to write “drama television series” type rants that personally gear insults towards 343.
While some do get their points across in a rather rude fashion, there are also TONS of fans that gave their opinions about the game since day 1, well constructed and thought out posts about the flaws of the game and such, posts that went ignored by 343I
Patience is not infinite and while 343I did make a Title Update many of the issues adressed since day 1 werent fixed, that is the reason most of us left Halo 4.
It also does not help when 343I has little to no invovlement with the community, and when they do its either vague responses, sarcasm (The comments they did at a pannel when a player asked about a DMR nerf when it was a hot topic, just to get a sarcastic and unprofessional reply in the lines of “Oh, something’s wrong with the DMR? we have “never” heard anything about it!”), lies, or conveniently witheld information (like the fact that they knew the stuff in champions bundle wouldnt work on SPOPS but didnt tell except for a random post by BS Angel on a random thread 1 day prior to release) just to name some.
So when you see all of this it makes sense people are upset, and when peopel ar eupset they normally don’t express them selves inthe most polite manner.
i think we need stop -Yoinking!- about things like sprint and no descope and just come together as a community adapt to the settings that ghost gave us and play i mean 343 has done more support for competitive halo than bungie ever did. I honestly think halo 5 will be much better plus right now not saying back in the day halo 4s online is better than 3s hit detection is better no lag no derankers so like why is everyone playing halo 3 now?
Halo 4 would have more people if it had
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No sprint on throwdown
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In game csr
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- Halo’s community has ALWAYS been very bad, because it’s too huge. Or, was.
- We discussed everything to the last breath and built our opinions as a community, we can’t do more.
- 343 ignored us long time, and that’s what they get. Fair and square.
- I’m a loyalist, but I’m not THAT loyal and patient. If I realize the developers don’t fix the game out of arrogance and it therefore sucks, I move on. 343 want my money, and they should deserve it. They do not right now. Case closed, no H5 for me, Halo can go to hell.
I hadn’t realized there was a “fracture” in the community until checking these forums. I just play the game and enjoy my time doing so. My only issue with Halo 4’s matchmaking is Abandon and Infinity Slayer and the associated ordnance drops.
Also, check yourselves. A while ago I tried playing Halo 3 and the multiplayer and gun play wasn’t nearly as smooth as Halo 4’s. Plus, Halo 3 doesn’t have Ricochet. Anyway, the point is that nostalgia can be blinding.
There is no one to blame but 343. Even though I enjoy Halo 4 more than Reach, it certainly is the most nood-friendly game in the Halo series.
Obviously there is going to be a fracture in the community when 343 is trying to win over another crowd, instead of catering to the many old loyalists.
Until 343 actually caters to the fans, I will be staying on Halo 3 and playing with the 5-10k players left on there.
Even though 343 includes a spectator mode for the competetive future of Halo, It doesn’t mean competetive halo will go smoothly. What is it without a good game? The gameplay needs to be on par and as most of you probably know and if you didn’t know - Basically, everyone of the professionals dislikes Halo 4’s gameplay.
MLG didn’t see potential revenue in Halo 4 and that is why they didn’t pick it up, and now AGL dropped Halo 4 for Halo 3 (The teams almost doubled instantly). Halo 4 doesn’t belong in a competetive environment at all.
I’m sick of people thinking they are so smart by saying “it’s the communities fault” for anything. It’s not the communities fault this game has things like de-scoping that pissed so many people like me off and made us stop playing. No amount of coming together will make bad features like that vanish and make the game worth playing for at least a few years until the next game comes out like with H2 and H3.