You know the line, during the cutscene where John puts Cortana into his armor on the PoA.
Cortana: “Hmm…your architecture isn’t much different from the Autumn’s…”
John: “Don’t get any funny ideas.”
My question is…why did she say that? Its not the first time she had been in his armor/mind back on Reach when they first met on August 29th 2552 she went into his armor during training when they were preparing for RED FLAG. So Cortana had no real reason to say this. So whats up with that?
The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
> The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
No. The book came out a month before the game.
> > The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
>
> No. The book came out a month before the game.
Yes, but it was written in an extremely short amount of time, something like 2 or 3 months. By that point in a games development, the cutscenes would have been finished long before. All they’d be on the home sprint, getting rid of bugs and applying finishing touches.
> > The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
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> No. The book came out a month before the game.
The Book was released before the game but in order to make the game the script would have been written first. Remember Halo had been in the works since before 1999 and wasn’t released by Microsoft until 2001. Microsoft was also the one who commissioned the book and although Bungie had control over the story it doesn’t mean they would have taken the time to write and record new dialog for a game that was nearly, if not completely, finished. They didn’t even remove Cortana’s British slang even though they abandoned the British accented Cortana idea.
> You know the line, during the cutscene where John puts Cortana into his armor on the PoA.
>
> Cortana: “Hmm…your architecture isn’t much different from the Autumn’s…”
> John: “Don’t get any funny ideas.”
>
> My question is…why did she say that? Its not the first time she had been in his armor/mind back on Reach when they first met on August 29th 2552 she went into his armor during training when they were preparing for RED FLAG. So Cortana had no real reason to say this. So whats up with that?
Considering the previous posts, it would appear Bungie intended for MC to be a cyborg of some sorts, or bionic at the very least, and not just relegate it to a “neural implant”. That’s how I always interpreted it when I played the original back in 2002.
All of the files referencing the Chief in PC and CE seem to imply as much. All of the textures, models, biped files and such are called “cyborg,” not “Master Chief” or “Player” or anything of that nature.
Because she is a “Smart” AI capable of more human and social like bahavior. You enter a unique room, something strikes you, you make an observation. Cortana moves straight from the Autumn (which was new to her) to John’s Mjolnir armor, and she made an observation. That one line actually does a lot to establish her as a character.
> > You know the line, during the cutscene where John puts Cortana into his armor on the PoA.
> >
> > Cortana: “Hmm…your architecture isn’t much different from the Autumn’s…”
> > John: “Don’t get any funny ideas.”
> >
> > My question is…why did she say that? Its not the first time she had been in his armor/mind back on Reach when they first met on August 29th 2552 she went into his armor during training when they were preparing for RED FLAG. So Cortana had no real reason to say this. So whats up with that?
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> Considering the previous posts, it would appear Bungie intended for MC to be a cyborg of some sorts, or bionic at the very least, and not just relegate it to a “neural implant”. That’s how I always interpreted it when I played the original back in 2002.
He is a cyborg. A mix of man and machine, he never fights without the suit.
> > > You know the line, during the cutscene where John puts Cortana into his armor on the PoA.
> > >
> > > Cortana: “Hmm…your architecture isn’t much different from the Autumn’s…”
> > > John: “Don’t get any funny ideas.”
> > >
> > > My question is…why did she say that? Its not the first time she had been in his armor/mind back on Reach when they first met on August 29th 2552 she went into his armor during training when they were preparing for RED FLAG. So Cortana had no real reason to say this. So whats up with that?
> >
> > Considering the previous posts, it would appear Bungie intended for MC to be a cyborg of some sorts, or bionic at the very least, and not just relegate it to a “neural implant”. That’s how I always interpreted it when I played the original back in 2002.
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> He is a cyborg. A mix of man and machine, he never fights without the suit.
Wrong. Cyborgs can not remove part of themselves at will. They are a true mix of man and machine. John is just an augmented super soldier that uses a suit custom tailored to him that would kill just about anyone else that tried to use it.
Maybe it was because it was her first time on the Autumns? (been awhile since I read FoR, so I can’t remember.) So she realized how similar they were?
Well that was the first time Cortana had been in a ship or anything similar to a large scale computer system controlling something on the scale of a warship, and she hadn’t really seen Chief or been inside his head after she was placed in the Autumn until she was placed in his head again at the start of CE, there’s nothing really canonically challenging about the line, not that you were saying there was, but there’s my take on explaining it.
> > > > You know the line, during the cutscene where John puts Cortana into his armor on the PoA.
> > > >
> > > > Cortana: “Hmm…your architecture isn’t much different from the Autumn’s…”
> > > > John: “Don’t get any funny ideas.”
> > > >
> > > > My question is…why did she say that? Its not the first time she had been in his armor/mind back on Reach when they first met on August 29th 2552 she went into his armor during training when they were preparing for RED FLAG. So Cortana had no real reason to say this. So whats up with that?
> > >
> > > Considering the previous posts, it would appear Bungie intended for MC to be a cyborg of some sorts, or bionic at the very least, and not just relegate it to a “neural implant”. That’s how I always interpreted it when I played the original back in 2002.
> >
> > He is a cyborg. A mix of man and machine, he never fights without the suit.
>
> Wrong. Cyborgs can not remove part of themselves at will. They are a true mix of man and machine. John is just an augmented super soldier that uses a suit custom tailored to him that would kill just about anyone else that tried to use it.
What the? I commented on this earlier and my entire post vanished. Was it a glitch or is it just me?
Anyway… A Cyborg as defined by Dictionary.com is as follows: A person whose physiological functioning is aided by or dependent upon a mechanical or electronic device. In science fiction a living being whose powers are enhanced by computer implants or mechanical body parts.
The Master Chief as well as the rest of the Spartans have neural implants embedded into their brains which connect their armor to their motor cortex. This is how the armor increases speed, stamina, etc. John-117 as well as Naomi-010 have upgrades which allow for an A.I. to directly enter their brains via the neural implants and this intern allows for the A.I. to increase their speed, stamina and the like even more.
By definition this makes them Cyborgs as they are enhanced by computer implants, those of which they can’t simply take off without the aid of surgery.
> What the? I commented on this earlier and my entire post vanished. Was it a glitch or is it just me?
> > What the? I commented on this earlier and my entire post vanished. Was it a glitch or is it just me?
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I think what threw me off is that I scrolled down to see the newest comment and immediately recognized his response from earlier. My first thought was “Didn’t I respond to that already?” not realizing it was a copy and paste job from the other thread.
I thought it was fairly obvious. It was poor writing on behalf of Bungie. I’m not trolling here, just making an observation that they are only human and make mistakes.
The game was written years before FoR was conceived. In fact, it was originally a Mac App. If you look there is a video of Steve Jobs himself launching the game.
So they made the game, and then the book. The problem is that the story wasn’t translated well between the two. There are other instances of this as well. In the original FoR quite a big deal was made about the Spartan II’s not encountering Elites before. They had to retcon in that they have fought before.
A word that none of us should forget: Retcon. It’s common in a lot of media that establishes canon as it goes. There are always going to be hiccups along the way- Halo has a number of them, as does Star Wars, Star Trek, and a million comics, movies, and graphic novels.
> > > The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
> >
> > No. The book came out a month before the game.
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> Yes, but it was written in an extremely short amount of time, something like 2 or 3 months. By that point in a games development, the cutscenes would have been finished long before. All they’d be on the home sprint, getting rid of bugs and applying finishing touches.
No, Bungie said in one of their Vidoc’s that they asked Nyland when they were starting Halo “Hey, we are making a game and we want you to write a book on it”. They were made during the same time period and FoR wasn’t made in 2-3 months. No cutscenes would have been finished or final during those early stages. Even if they managed that, the dialogue would not have been recorded. Steve Downes started recording Master chief less than a year before the game was released.
> > > > The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
> > >
> > > No. The book came out a month before the game.
> >
> > Yes, but it was written in an extremely short amount of time, something like 2 or 3 months. By that point in a games development, the cutscenes would have been finished long before. All they’d be on the home sprint, getting rid of bugs and applying finishing touches.
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> No, Bungie said in one of their Vidoc’s that they asked Nyland when they were starting Halo “Hey, we are making a game and we want you to write a book on it”. They were made during the same time period and FoR wasn’t made in 2-3 months. No cutscenes would have been finished or final during those early stages. Even if they managed that, the dialogue would not have been recorded. Steve Downes started recording Master chief less than a year before the game was released.
Very, very wrong. Microsoft is the one who asked Nylund to do the tie in novel, they’ve said time and time again that the novel was written in record time. That was the reason for so many errors, he had a short time to write it, it had an even shorter time for editing, then it had to go to publication.
> > > > The game was made first, when they put the cutscenes together, the book didn’t exist. Simple as that.
> > >
> > > No. The book came out a month before the game.
> >
> > Yes, but it was written in an extremely short amount of time, something like 2 or 3 months. By that point in a games development, the cutscenes would have been finished long before. All they’d be on the home sprint, getting rid of bugs and applying finishing touches.
>
> No, Bungie said in one of their Vidoc’s that they asked Nyland when they were starting Halo “Hey, we are making a game and we want you to write a book on it”. They were made during the same time period and FoR wasn’t made in 2-3 months. No cutscenes would have been finished or final during those early stages. Even if they managed that, the dialogue would not have been recorded. Steve Downes started recording Master chief less than a year before the game was released.
“Eric Nylund had discussed the possibility of a Halo related novel with Eric Trautmann, a member of Microsoft’s Franchise Development Group, before Halo: Combat Evolved was developed but it was postponed due to legal technicalities.[4] Nylund thought positively of the delay as it “gave [him] a chance to see the game in almost every stage of development before [he] started writing.”[4] He wrote the book based on an outline approved by Bungie and the “Halo Story Bible”, a book containing all information on the characters and universe in which Halo takes place,[5] so that his story would not conflict with other Halo publications. Nylund found it easier to write with the “Bible” available as the details of the universe he was writing in were already established,[6] only minor alterations were made to fit the novel into the universe.[4] A seven week deadline was established for Nylund to write the book.[7]”
Source: Wikipedia
“Halo: The Fall of Reach is the prequel to Halo: Combat Evolved, and is also the first Halo novel to be published. It was written by Eric Nylund, and published on October 30, 2001.[1]
The novel was reportedly finished in seven weeks,[1] eventually becoming a Publisher’s Weekly bestseller with nearly 200,000 copies sold in the United States and United Kingdom.[2]”
Source: Halopedia
