Been lucky everyday since the beginnig of the year
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Absolutely, but don’t underestimate how much caring can add to a game.
The difference between making any game, and making a game you care about is rather large.
Disagree.
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I stringly agree with you!
But if there are technical problems, you neex field experts! Not harcore fans
Good thing numbers don’t care whether or not you disagree with them, because most of the people I’ve met in the game industry have left because they can earn significantly more money literally anywhere else. Just take a stroll over to glassdoor and check out how the average game dev is compensated.
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Ideally both, right? Fans who happen to be experts/capable.
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I don’t think anyone proves that they can provide quality work until they are on the job. Many have extensive skills and a good interview, then do a bad job once hired. My point was that there are many fans capable if given the access.
I’m not saying they should hire a fan, but could if they wanted.
Prioritizing the work is basically what I said and is part of the “politics”. There are definitely politics associated with development teams in any industry. There is always pressure on developers to work on what management wants rather than what the consumers wants or needs. It’s usually what management believes will be the best return on savings.
I think those work at 343i and are not posting on a “I’ll work for free” thread.
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Oh, working for free is dumb, however…for Halo? Are we talking open source or would I have to go into the office?
I’m a huge fan of Halo, and if they open sourced the code, I’d work on it, as would many others. If I had to go in, you’re paying me cash and benefits.
The only reason I really commented is because some guy was saying that fans couldn’t program which is silly. Many of us got into programming because of the halo franchise, and we wanted to make something as epic. 3/5 of my friends got into programming because of halo 3. That’s no joke; Halo franchise changed lives and inspired many. A lot of us would work on an open source code because we care about Halo.
I mean, you can absolutely prove you’ve done quality work before.
That’s what references and portfolios are for.
Can I see some of your dev/programming works?
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True, but I’m saying that you don’t really prove anything until on the job. You can sell yourself as doing quality work but still do a poor job compared to others who might not sell themselves as well. That’s all I’m saying.
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Even with no experience is there anyway he could do a worse job than half the people they already employ?
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No; but I’m under NDA for some of it as I had to have a security clearance. IBM programs the chip sets for various aircraft is as much as I can say on those topics.
The ones I could have shown you are long gone personal projects, which included a Rock Band clone that used keyboard for buttons, sudoku generator, and a diablo-like dungeon crawler. It was mostly games I wanted to play as I wanted to play them. I hate even mentioning them, because without having proof, like - anybody can say anything.
As for work projects…eh…I’m going to stay away from mentioning those. It’s just not needed and is a risk.
That generally only happens with bad interviewers. There’s so many ways during the interview process that you can test someone’s skills and attributes that I expect a new hire to do good work, unless they suddenly show up to work drunk one day (which isn’t something you can honestly interview for).
Perhaps we have radically different definitions of what “politics” are in the game industry. Triage meetings are absolutely driven by objective facts and information and have nothing to do with what traditionally passes for office politics (“I scratch your back, you scratch mine”).
This isn’t some ubiquitous trait that pervades the game industry; it’s a sign of a crappy manager, not office politics. During live service triages, it’s industry standard to analyze the impact to the consumer when setting priorities, which you can also back up with user metrics/data. I suppose it’s in the realm of possibility that a manager could push some pet project for political reasons while ignoring what’s going on with the player base, but usually community also has a stake and a voice in triage meetings for live service games, so I just don’t buy it that office politics are what prevent devs from fixing issues.
I think 343 could benefit from some classic fans that are able to provide constructive criticism to improve their game. It’s not all about coding, for example, most halo fans want the radar to go back to 25m. Most halo fans want playable elites.
The issue however, even with this feedback, and a team of classic fans guiding them to making a truly jaw dropping halo game, is the fact that 343 is completely overwhelmed. What they need to do is hire on employees, forget about independent contractors and hang on to a team of people that can become familiar with the slip space engine and work from there. The studio needs to take on more programmers, at least double what they have, fix custom games, fix theater, make forge, add co-op, fix big team battle, fix desync, and fix the melee, and then and only then can we see this game start to grow.
We’re a year and a half away from this being a decent game with a solid foundation, from there 343 will have one of the best halo games ever by building what the fans want off that foundation. It is at this point that they’d benefit from the feedback of classic halo fans.
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They actually did have a team of classic fans called the Forerunner team providing feedback, for what from my understanding was for the last 3 or so years. Naded doesn’t play Infinite as much cause he had been playing it for years prior, and can’t compete for atleast a year because of his involvement… for example.
BR starts in competitive was one thing that came from the Forerunner team. But, I’m guessing not everything the fans wanted were considered or maybe weren’t even voiced enough about. Who knows. Also, they likely didn’t see the same flaws as some more casual fans would.
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Maybe it’s because 343i may not want a person that knows how to do it correctly the first time ? humm 
Something to think about at 343i.
Interesting! Thanks for letting me know (^^)b.
Do not tell 343i, or anyone, to “eat my shorts.”
Bro, I’m rolling. 
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At least he can do a better job than 343. That’s how bad Halo Infinite is now.
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