ok so they made’em more useful in modern times, you don’t think the classic shoty is more useful 500 years in the future? i’d say the fact it can kill a spartan in a single shot is really all you can ask for with a weapon like that, and thats all people want is their super deadly shotgun back.
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I think the complain is the following, there is a lack of variety
I like both weapons, and definitely feel a grasp for the old shotgun to return, but not to replace the Bulldog in any way.
As in balance terms…well having the sword/gravity hammer and the old shot gun in a map I don’t see a problem in social matches. If you want balance you could switch to ranked, Halo had always the old shotgun right there along the sword and we all dealt with it, the same as now, we got to adapt to the Bulldog. Aiming with a shotgun is not the same as aiming with the sword…specially in social games where you have many casual and new players.
I like both, but definitely the Bulldog can’t make the cut if they were to bring back Infection…
Along with the old shot-gun, I think there are many missing weapons that made Halo more casual and more fun to play socially, not competitively.
I really like the Bulldog, it looks good and it feels great when I don’t have internet issues, but I also miss my old shotty gun back because of the feel of being a powerful shotgun that can 1 shot kill. Either way they should just add the remaining Halo weapons in forge, god how I miss the fuel rod.
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The bulldog being as it is makes room for an Atier shotty imo.
The bulldog is closer to a mauler than a shotty.
Anyone assuming thats a skill issue or im using it wrong hold your tongue for a sec.
functionally far closer to dual maulers on offset triggers than anything in any prior halos.
And as such it should not be considered a power weapon at all.
Its a utility pick up.
It does its job but it isnt intended to dominate and it has great utility in the niche in mp and sp.
A cqc commando rather than a sword or sniper.
The heatwave is a more basic shotty with a nice twist.
Yes it is clearly a scatter shot replacement.
However in function it is more shotty than the BD.
The scattershot being a shotty anyways
Classic CE shoty for infection please.
Long range large resevoir.
Also sword doesn’t need a counter.
The shotty is only another op thing that people will request be nerfed and need a counter without the bulldog the best shotty we could have is a halo 3. But the bulldog as is means a full on power shotty as a mid map pick up could fit well into the sandbox.
Ultimately the only real counter to the sword is positioning and team shotting.
Yeah… Because it’s not a power weapon. It’s a Tier 2 pickup. We do know this, collectively. If you’re treating it like a power weapon that is inaccurate.
Social deserves to have a positive gameplay experience too.
Literally how?
Bingo.
Kara please chill on the condescension girl. The tone is just ick.
Many people continue to talk about the BD as a shotty replacement so you cannot speak for the collective only yourself.
Some still seem to not discuss it in terms of being a power weapon not a tier 2 pick up and you have already regurgitated this to me after my initial expressing of this/that very point.
If you didn’t feel it needed iterating please refrain from replying by reiterating said point.
And just stating the point I made back to me like I’m a moron.
It is closer in utility to the CE shotty than the Bull it just has an additional feature? Not sure how much more of a shotgun the heatwave can be aside from a straightforward dmg buff.
It’s rate of fire is comparable and it has high kill potential with a range not as neutered as the M90(A) and is a middle ground in capacity.
It has a healthy spread and wide retitcle.
But doesnt handle as braindead as the h4 and h5 free kill shotty.
How isn’t it?
And I agree the social playlists need a healthy map balance also and overloading power items into maps purely cause it is social is antithetical to good chaos accommodating design that halo excells in. Imo.
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It seems no one on here wants the Halo Shotgun back to its former glory I hope this post gets locked soon screw balance besides the thing that got me into Halo was the story line not this stupid PVP crap I didn’t play Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, and Halo Reach because PVP I played them because they had a good storyline
Halo shotgun is not a singular static thing pal but if you are specifically referring to the ce iteration, I suggest you pay more attention because there are several who want it…
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Well, you used my name and that’s really nice so the least I can do is abide by that. Sometimes I get aggy on here. Sorry.
The thing is, it’s not a replacement. It’s just… a new weapon.
Look, there’s a lot of folks on here that just don’t get stuff. So, my apologies.
well we got nothing to talk about then
Balance is the #1 most important thing in any game.
Agreed.
Personal fav is the Halo 2 version. Most balanced iteration of the pump shotty that still feels like - effective. Utterly despise 3, Reach, 4 and 5’s. Well, 5’s is GOOD but it isn’t very well balanced.
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Well according to Hokiebird428 on YouTube the shotgun was nerfed to hell his exact words
If there are several who want it then why are so many people on this post against it someone did make a comment I think it went something like this they said what if one team got both the sword and shotgun then it would be unfair but The thing is that kind of already happens I’ve played a game were the other team has 2 people with swords or 2 people with gravity hammers so their argument there is kind of invalid the people were so bloody worried about the shotgun making it unfair then make game types specifically for the Halo CE shotgun and for the love of God put it back in the campaign
The only reason the shotgun and other stuff is not in the game is because of all the work that still need to be done to the Halo Infinite game engine first. Remember the team working on the game don’t post much on Halo waypont so people here sayings don’t add that aren’t being listened to much either.
@X11_XOMAN so off the bat, several =/ all.
As for the snowball effect.
Any event of a team getting 2 power weapons and an upper hand is on your teams inability im afraid to say.
And the argument the shotty is needed to counter the sword suggest to me at least a lack of awareness, map control and coordination.
Having 2 weapons of that level by your logic would be a negative seeing as it only compounds the issue youve highlighted by doubling the enemy teams ability to horde? So the fallacious logic employed is actually the invalid take from my perspective.
Onto the main topic. Above are 9 instances of community members in this thread supporting your appeal for a return of the CE shot gun.
1 from my own post, outlining why the existence of the bulldog is precisely why the an Atier CE style shotty would fit the sandbox.
So to say this;
And then, continue by hoping the conversation ends because you didnt recieve unanimous support and then meander entirely off topic.
Reads as if you didnt even read responses to your own thread or worst, possibly as childishness.
Opinions will differ but thats not a good reason to lock a thread.
If anything it is thinking counter to the point of a forum.
As stated.
I would love a classic inspired shotty. Admittedly i feel the CE one had some issues but something in the same wheel house would be a great addition. A truly powerful coveted shotty that can lunge stop enemies and that probably has a serious chance of dying to a skilled player with the bulldog of heatwave.
Seeing as both those weapons are higjly effective and powerful if you use them correctly.
I think a shotgun that takes 3 or 4 shot to kill an enemy is a little to much especially with it crappy ammo capacity I would have it only take 2 shots to kill an enemy never thought I see it shotgun with less ammo than what we could carry and Halo 5 guess I was wrong the shotgun just keeps getting worse and worse and worse
Dude bulldog is a 3 shot.
1 shot on no shields you strip and switch to do well with it.
Or a 2 banger on the drop.
And it gets a min of 2 kills per mag so that makes it a generous ammo cap for what is a low tier pick up.
Not sure how this reply continues the above discourse either if im honest.
Youve made it abundantly clear you dislike the BD.
But you made this thread to discuss a classic shotty so perhaps refrain from repeatedly bemoaning the BD and youd have a more focused thread on the merits of a shotty.
As was stated prior the BD isnt a shotty stand in at all.
It holds a different place in the sandbox just shares a utility niche with M90(A) but is closer to maulers.
If you want this thread to be about the M90 then try keep things focused and reply to the content of other’s posts rather than just stating a single sentiment that does little to engage others.
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Why keep it focused on the M90 when apparently no one wants that gun back because they think the Bulldog is the be all and end all if people think the m90s too powerful they would hate the gun I created for killing flood
the plasma pistol use to be good but now it is absolutist trash
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Try playing the game now. It’s actually usable again.
This entire thread is just telling me people have no clue what “counter” means.
Like it’s just, “the shotgun is a counter to the sword cause it’s just better”, which that’s not a counter.
The repulser is a literal counter, the sword needs you to be up close so you use that fact against it by throwing it’s user away from you, make them rethink their plan of attack now.