Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype 
+1, why yes i does make snipers less enjoyable, Pro Snipers on The Cage is better than this crap IMO (Except when you get spawn camped)
Yh i agree, that’s the real team snipers, no pistols, no camping, just sniping.
The only reason I could say that I like Hemorrhage Snipers is that it discourages the use of the pistol and grenades.
Although I agree that hemorage is not a great map period. I think it is the best option available on the current sniper line up. If I wanted to play a head shot game on the cage. Hemorage is the only sniper sized sniping map on snipers. I would play swat. The cage promotes pistol/grenade fights and for people to brag about no scopes. We need a better designed long rang sniping map is what we need.
> Although I agree that hemorage is not a great map period. I think it is the best option available on the current sniper line up. If I wanted to play a head shot game on the cage. Hemorage is the only sniper sized sniping map on snipers. I would play swat. The cage promotes pistol/grenade fights and for people to brag about no scopes. We need a better designed long rang sniping map is what we need.
Yeah a long-ranged sniper map would be great aslong as it doesn’t bring all the campers to team snipers. Hemorrhage is just too open. And swat is a great way of practesing headshots, but it’s the sniper i miss, not the DMR 
> Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
> Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype
You are joking right? What you just said is the DEFINITION OF SNIPING! Sniping is not no-scoping or quick-scoping. Sniping is shooting your opponent from long range, finding a good hiding spot and waiting for the right time to strike.
Snipers are usually support for other people, not the main strike force like a lot of you people think it should be. Hemorrhage is perfect for Team Snipers, long range combat = Sniping, close range combat = SWAT.
If you had a Sniper rifle and lots ammunition, would you take that Sniper rifle into building and shoot everyone at close range that might cost you your life? Or would you find a spot that overlooks the whole area, keeps you out of sight, and no one knows you even exist, so you can pick off you targets one by one?
I think you dislike Sniping because it is more strategy and not pure who can no-scope better. Or maybe it’s because it involves being smart, and anticipating your opponents next move, and you just want to kill people with a Sniper rifle at close range because you like to show off.
If you like close range combat with long range weapons that’s fine, but when you say Hemorrhage is bad for team Snipers, and that it takes no teamwork, that is where YOU are wrong. Team Snipers on Hemorrhage takes more teamwork than any other map in team Snipers. You probably don’t like it because it is actually Sniping and being support and not a close range one man army.
I don’t think ANY small scale maps should be in the Team Snipers play-list, that only breeds people like you who all you can play is close range no-scoping. the Team Snipers play-list should only have big maps to encourage real Sniping, and makes people better at giving support to their team in BTB.
> > Although I agree that hemorage is not a great map period. I think it is the best option available on the current sniper line up. If I wanted to play a head shot game on the cage. Hemorage is the only sniper sized sniping map on snipers. I would play swat. The cage promotes pistol/grenade fights and for people to brag about no scopes. We need a better designed long rang sniping map is what we need.
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> Yeah a long-ranged sniper map would be great aslong as it doesn’t bring all the campers to team snipers. Hemorrhage is just too open. And swat is a great way of practesing headshots, but it’s the sniper i miss, not the DMR
Sniping IS what YOU consider “camping”. Being in a concealed position, waiting for a target to present itself is Sniping, weather YOU like it or not, THAT is what it is.
> > Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
> > Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype
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> You are joking right? What you just said is the DEFINITION OF SNIPING! Sniping is not no-scoping or quick-scoping. Sniping is shooting your opponent from long range, finding a good hiding spot and waiting for the right time to strike.
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> Snipers are usually support for other people, not the main strike force like a lot of you people think it should be. Hemorrhage is perfect for Team Snipers, long range combat = Sniping, close range combat = SWAT.
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> If you had a Sniper rifle and lots ammunition, would you take that Sniper rifle into building and shoot everyone at close range that might cost you your life? Or would you find a spot that overlooks the whole area, keeps you out of sight, and no one knows you even exist, so you can pick off you targets one by one?
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> I think you dislike Sniping because it is more strategy and not pure who can no-scope better. Or maybe it’s because it involves being smart, and anticipating your opponents next move, and you just want to kill people with a Sniper rifle at close range because you like to show off.
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> If you like close range combat with long range weapons that’s fine, but when you say Hemorrhage is bad for team Snipers, and that it takes no teamwork, that is where YOU are wrong. Team Snipers on Hemorrhage takes more teamwork than any other map in team Snipers. You probably don’t like it because it is actually Sniping and being support and not a close range one man army.
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> I don’t think ANY small scale maps should be in the Team Snipers play-list, that only breeds people like you who all you can play is close range no-scoping. the Team Snipers play-list should only have big maps to encourage real Sniping, and makes people better at giving support to their team in BTB.
I see your point and why u think so, but to me it sounds like u should play battlefield, where most of the maps are accually big. Halo is mostely medium sized maps and to be honest the reason why i like closecombat with the sniper is because almoste every map with a sniper on it is closecombat based. all the Forge world maps (except hemorrhage and maybe one more) is more of a 4v4 size. I would agree with u if all the maps were the same size as Hemorrhage, but they aren’t… so i can’t rly see the point of practesing long ranged sniping if u never use it… :S
> > Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
> > Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype
>
> You are joking right? What you just said is the DEFINITION OF SNIPING! Sniping is not no-scoping or quick-scoping. Sniping is shooting your opponent from long range, finding a good hiding spot and waiting for the right time to strike.
>
> Snipers are usually support for other people, not the main strike force like a lot of you people think it should be. Hemorrhage is perfect for Team Snipers, long range combat = Sniping, close range combat = SWAT.
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> If you had a Sniper rifle and lots ammunition, would you take that Sniper rifle into building and shoot everyone at close range that might cost you your life? Or would you find a spot that overlooks the whole area, keeps you out of sight, and no one knows you even exist, so you can pick off you targets one by one?
>
> I think you dislike Sniping because it is more strategy and not pure who can no-scope better. Or maybe it’s because it involves being smart, and anticipating your opponents next move, and you just want to kill people with a Sniper rifle at close range because you like to show off.
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> If you like close range combat with long range weapons that’s fine, but when you say Hemorrhage is bad for team Snipers, and that it takes no teamwork, that is where YOU are wrong. Team Snipers on Hemorrhage takes more teamwork than any other map in team Snipers. You probably don’t like it because it is actually Sniping and being support and not a close range one man army.
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> I don’t think ANY small scale maps should be in the Team Snipers play-list, that only breeds people like you who all you can play is close range no-scoping. the Team Snipers play-list should only have big maps to encourage real Sniping, and makes people better at giving support to their team in BTB.
DID YOU KNOW THAT HALO ISN’T REAL LIFE???
Haha… To me (being a montage kid) I don’t like just sitting back and hiding/camping and trying to shoot at people long range. I think maps like Uncaged take more skill because you have to force spawns and be able to do well in close, mid, and long range battles. Sniping is not always about long range. To please everyone I think there should be a mixture of big, medium, and small maps.
> > > Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
> > > Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype
> >
> > You are joking right? What you just said is the DEFINITION OF SNIPING! Sniping is not no-scoping or quick-scoping. Sniping is shooting your opponent from long range, finding a good hiding spot and waiting for the right time to strike.
> >
> > Snipers are usually support for other people, not the main strike force like a lot of you people think it should be. Hemorrhage is perfect for Team Snipers, long range combat = Sniping, close range combat = SWAT.
> >
> > If you had a Sniper rifle and lots ammunition, would you take that Sniper rifle into building and shoot everyone at close range that might cost you your life? Or would you find a spot that overlooks the whole area, keeps you out of sight, and no one knows you even exist, so you can pick off you targets one by one?
> >
> > I think you dislike Sniping because it is more strategy and not pure who can no-scope better. Or maybe it’s because it involves being smart, and anticipating your opponents next move, and you just want to kill people with a Sniper rifle at close range because you like to show off.
> >
> > If you like close range combat with long range weapons that’s fine, but when you say Hemorrhage is bad for team Snipers, and that it takes no teamwork, that is where YOU are wrong. Team Snipers on Hemorrhage takes more teamwork than any other map in team Snipers. You probably don’t like it because it is actually Sniping and being support and not a close range one man army.
> >
> > I don’t think ANY small scale maps should be in the Team Snipers play-list, that only breeds people like you who all you can play is close range no-scoping. the Team Snipers play-list should only have big maps to encourage real Sniping, and makes people better at giving support to their team in BTB.
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> I see your point and why u think so, but to me it sounds like u should play battlefield, where most of the maps are accually big. Halo is mostely medium sized maps and to be honest the reason why i like closecombat with the sniper is because almoste every map with a sniper on it is closecombat based. all the Forge world maps (except hemorrhage and maybe one more) is more of a 4v4 size. I would agree with u if all the maps were the same size as Hemorrhage, but they aren’t… so i can’t rly see the point of practesing long ranged sniping if u never use it… :S
Big Team Battle, that is where you use it. Or if the Team Snipers play=list was the way it should be, you would use it there to.
I can see where you are coming from to. You like to use the Sniper rifle on 4v4 slayer maps, am I right? If so do you hang back and take them out out of there weapons range? That is how it should be done, using a long range weapon for its intended purpose. But what I don’t get is why you don’t think maps like Hemorrhage should be in Team Snipers.
> Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps[/color]
I’m against this sentence so much sniper is a long range weapon and should be used in long range situations like on hemorrhage.(personally sick of snipers on small maps)
It’s like saying team snipers should be teaching people how to “quick scope” and quick scoping is just a novelty tactic that shouldn’t be taught and be the primary tactic.
So hemorrhage is a large map and snipers are long range so they go hand in hand.
> > > > Am i the only one that hates Hemorrhage??? seriously that map is just so -Yoink!- boring… There is no teamwork, no excitement and just a whole lot of camping -.-
> > > > Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps and how to use it in other gametypes… not about where the best spot to camp at is… i love snipers but not on that map, it ruins the whole gametype
> > >
> > > You are joking right? What you just said is the DEFINITION OF SNIPING! Sniping is not no-scoping or quick-scoping. Sniping is shooting your opponent from long range, finding a good hiding spot and waiting for the right time to strike.
> > >
> > > Snipers are usually support for other people, not the main strike force like a lot of you people think it should be. Hemorrhage is perfect for Team Snipers, long range combat = Sniping, close range combat = SWAT.
> > >
> > > If you had a Sniper rifle and lots ammunition, would you take that Sniper rifle into building and shoot everyone at close range that might cost you your life? Or would you find a spot that overlooks the whole area, keeps you out of sight, and no one knows you even exist, so you can pick off you targets one by one?
> > >
> > > I think you dislike Sniping because it is more strategy and not pure who can no-scope better. Or maybe it’s because it involves being smart, and anticipating your opponents next move, and you just want to kill people with a Sniper rifle at close range because you like to show off.
> > >
> > > If you like close range combat with long range weapons that’s fine, but when you say Hemorrhage is bad for team Snipers, and that it takes no teamwork, that is where YOU are wrong. Team Snipers on Hemorrhage takes more teamwork than any other map in team Snipers. You probably don’t like it because it is actually Sniping and being support and not a close range one man army.
> > >
> > > I don’t think ANY small scale maps should be in the Team Snipers play-list, that only breeds people like you who all you can play is close range no-scoping. the Team Snipers play-list should only have big maps to encourage real Sniping, and makes people better at giving support to their team in BTB.
> >
> > I see your point and why u think so, but to me it sounds like u should play battlefield, where most of the maps are accually big. Halo is mostely medium sized maps and to be honest the reason why i like closecombat with the sniper is because almoste every map with a sniper on it is closecombat based. all the Forge world maps (except hemorrhage and maybe one more) is more of a 4v4 size. I would agree with u if all the maps were the same size as Hemorrhage, but they aren’t… so i can’t rly see the point of practesing long ranged sniping if u never use it… :S
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> Big Team Battle, that is where you use it. Or if the Team Snipers play=list was the way it should be, you would use it there to.
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> I can see where you are coming from to. You like to use the Sniper rifle on 4v4 slayer maps, am I right? If so do you hang back and take them out out of there weapons range? That is how it should be done, using a long range weapon for its intended purpose. But what I don’t get is why you don’t think maps like Hemorrhage should be in Team Snipers.
Yh I’m more of a up close and personal kind of guy 
but i don’t use snipers as a close range weapond in 4v4 matches, usually have a pistol or dmr for that But since most of the gametypes is 4v4 or atleast medium size the long ranged stuff is good, but not rly usefull in most cases
Thx btw for understanding and not hating like that other guy 
> > Team snipers should be about learning how to be good with sniper on small to medium size maps[/color]
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> I’m against this sentence so much sniper is a long range weapon and should be used in long range situations like on hemorrhage.(personally sick of snipers on small maps)
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> It’s like saying team snipers should be teaching people how to “quick scope” and quick scoping is just a novelty tactic that shouldn’t be taught and be the primary tactic.
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> So hemorrhage is a large map and snipers are long range so they go hand in hand.
Like i told the others… Sniping at long range would work if the other maps were big. But most of the maps aren’t so that long range stuff is kind of useless but see ur point (Y)
All I was saying is some people prefer big maps, others prefer small. That’s why there has to be a mixture of all sorts of maps, big, medium, and small! I don’t see how that makes me lost. Btw I won a match on Uncaged the other day 50-2… Our team basically forced spawns so we could spawn trap. How is that not teamwork??? Small to medium sized maps take just as much skill and teamwork as big huge giant (BF3) maps.
> All I was saying is some people prefer big maps, others prefer small. That’s why there has to be a mixture of all sorts of maps, big, medium, and small! I don’t see how that makes me lost. Btw I won a match on Uncaged the other day 50-2… Our team basically forced spawns so we could spawn trap. How is that not teamwork??? Small to medium sized maps take just as much skill and teamwork as big huge giant (BF3) maps.
I never said it doesn’t take teamwork.
I feel that the major problem is not hemorage but the lack of real variety. Reflection and uncaged are poor substitutes for sniping, they are close range, and hemorage is a poor map, but its the only big one ever played.
Ideally for me, the small to medium maps would account for 25% of the choice, and 75% would be better designed maps with a size comparable to hemorage, then it is truly a “sniping” playlist.
Using a sniper at close range is all well and good, and a team slayer game could have a sniper weapon choice, but its not sniping.
The current “team snipers” has very little sniping.
I would like to snipe.
And people who hate on campers. Camping is a legitimate strategy, just like everything else. If its the only strategy you use, like anything else, the game will suffer because of it. But some game types, such as sniping, are more camping friendly, that add variety, not every playlist needs to be run and gun. If there is ONE game type that should center around camping, its sniping.
I can never play Team Snipers on small maps. Very boring when people go around trying to no-scope each other. I think there should be more big maps introduced into Team Snipers, such as Boneyard, or Spire.
> I feel that the major problem is not hemorage but the lack of real variety. Reflection and uncaged are poor substitutes for sniping, they are close range, and hemorage is a poor map, but its the only big one ever played.
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> Ideally for me, the small to medium maps would account for 25% of the choice, and 75% would be better designed maps with a size comparable to hemorage, then it is truly a “sniping” playlist.
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> Using a sniper at close range is all well and good, and a team slayer game could have a sniper weapon choice, but its not sniping.
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> The current “team snipers” has very little sniping.
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> I would like to snipe.
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> And people who hate on campers. Camping is a legitimate strategy, just like everything else. If its the only strategy you use, like anything else, the game will suffer because of it. But some game types, such as sniping, are more camping friendly, that add variety, not every playlist needs to be run and gun. If there is ONE game type that should center around camping, its sniping.
Well yes u have a point. But this thread wasn’t about long range or close range, it’s about hemorrhage, it’s to open and spawnkilling is rly easy. If u should have a big sniping map it should be more like Valhalla. But i get why big maps r good now, thx 
better veriety is what we need
> But i get why big maps r good now, thx better veriety is what we need
feel free to hit “thanks” then lol