Help us save Competitive Halo!

Mythic_Brawl · April 3, 2012, 4:12am

Seeing how Halo:Reach has seemed to of forgotten the competitive spirit of Halo; I would like to hear everyone’s thoughts on what steps we should take gain back Halo’s equilibrium between (Casual) Social, and (Competitive) Ranked playlists, and game play.

Here are the differences in the Social, and Ranked play lists in Halo: Reach vs. Halo 3. I hope you can see the differences.

Halo Reach is comprised of 1 ACTIVE Ranked playlist, and 1 other competitive playlist:

Arena
Doubles Arena
FFA Arena
MLG (Has no actual Ranking System)

Halo Reach is comprised of 30 Social playlists which include, but are not limited to:

Action Sack
Grif ball
Living Dead
Team Slayer
Team Objective
Team Swat
Team Snipers
Team Classic
Noble Map Pack
Defiant Map Pack
Squad Slayer
Super Slayer
Squad DLC
Double Team
Big Team Battle
BTB ALL Stars
Bungie Day
Rumble Pit
Ann. Classic
Ann. Squad
Ann. BTB
Ann. Firefight
FF Arcade
FF Doubles
Score Attack
Invasion
Multi team
TU Beta
Premium Battle
Co-Op Campaign

Halo 3 altogether had 22 Ranked playlists on and off which include:

1.Team Slayer
2. Team Doubles
3. Team Objective
4. Team Control
5. Team Hardcore
6. Team Tactical
7. Team Snipers
8. Team Swat
9. Team Throwback
10. Lone Wolves
11. Ranked BTB
12. Squad Battle
13. Valentines Day Massacre
14. MLG
15. MLG FFA
16. Head to Head
17. Ranked Grif Ball
18. Ranked Living Dead
19. Legendary Brawl
20. Mythic Brawl
21. US Championship
22. INTL Tournament

Halo 3 also consisted of 30 Social playlists which included, but are not limited to:

Social Slayer
Social Skirmish
Social Big team
Big Team Battle
Rocket Race
DEXP Snipers
DEXP Swat
Grif ball
7 on the 7th
Living Dead
Social Doubles
Rumble Pit
DLC Slayer
DLC Objective
DLC FFA
DLC Big Team
Fourth of July
Fiesta
Team Melee
Cinco De Mayo
Team Mythic 1
Team Mythic 2
Turkey Day
Icy treats
Three Ball
Team Flag
FFA Rockets
Maption Sack
Bungie Day
Basic Training

My thoughts personally:

I do not know if any of you noticed in this thread, but the competitive community kind of got screwed in Halo: Reach. and I think it only fair that 343 address this issue.

Halo 4 needs at least these 7 Ranked playlists: Lone Wolves, Team Slayer, Team Doubles, Team Objective, Team Swat, Team Snipers, and MLG (MLG settings to be decided by Major League Gaming and it’s community).

Also these playlists should pertain to the classic competitive environment consisting of: No Bloom, No direct impact in gameplay do to your Armor besides it cosmetic features, Same starting Load Outs for all players, and maintaining fairness/balance for everyone in game to increase competitiveness, and decrease randomness .

So if you all would give your opinions on what competitive halo needs please feel free to help the cause.

SAVE COMPETITIVE HALO!

ankerd · April 3, 2012, 4:15am

Half ranked half social. Done.

Obey_Costa · April 3, 2012, 4:16am

Just give MLG a ranking system and call it a day. Competitive default settings died with Halo 2.

Rhizy27 · April 3, 2012, 4:17am

I really do think that as long as 343 makes a healthy balance of competitive and casual playlists, everyone will get over the anxiety they are feeling about Hallo 4’s multiplayer, and be happy with the game. I mean, you can make arguments all you want about original trilogy gameplay vs Reach gameplay, but what it all comes down to is that Reach was just WAY too geared toward casual gaming, and on top of that, the random matchups further demolished any remaining trace of competitive play that might have survived. I’m sure 343 recognizes this and will work hard to find a suitable balance of playlists.

Gunslinger_Stig · April 3, 2012, 4:18am

ranked living dead? why?

anyway i do agree there should be more ranked play list. or perhaps a server browser.

Ronson · April 3, 2012, 4:21am

Yeah good points. As long as there are some competitive playlists and party matching systems it won’t be too bad. I would like to see more than just 1 or 2 ranked or competitive playlists like you mentioned in the OP. If there isn’t though, I would like the bare minimum of party matching in any playlist, and competitive type starts with AA’s only on map, BR or DMR start etc.

Ninjacide · April 3, 2012, 4:21am

WE WANT RANKS!

Windamier · April 3, 2012, 4:22am

Good thread. Here, here.

Mythic_Brawl · April 3, 2012, 4:30am

> Yeah good points. As long as there are some competitive playlists and party matching systems it won’t be too bad. I would like to see more than just 1 or 2 ranked or competitive playlists like you mentioned in the OP. If there isn’t though, I would like the bare minimum of party matching in any playlist, and competitive type starts with AA’s only on map, BR or DMR start etc.

I agree, but we have to create an amount of leniency in order to find games as far as party match making goes other wise it could be worse than trying to find games in Arena.

Also I just want those 7 play lists at the very least.

Avernus · April 3, 2012, 4:45am

just needs 1-50, ranks that dont reset like arena does after a certain time period
good, FAIR, competitive settings. jetpack, armor lock, camo, etc. are NOT fair. AAs are overall bad, get rid of them.
multiple playlists where decent competition can be found. If I want competition in reach I have to go to gamebattles.
a ranking system that shows both the skill and exp of the player (like H3) that way those who hate ranked can still progress to a point and be a staffy or whatever.

also

BR > DMR

Avernus out!

PS: congrats on posting like a big boy fluffy

F_U_N_Z_B_O_B · April 3, 2012, 4:47am

In halo Reach at the moment there’s only 1 Ranked playlist Arena
In halo 3 - a game that’s slowly losing its population its has 6 atm .

A 3/4 year old game has a better Ranking system and more Ranked Playlist then a game that’s be out for maybe half as long…

Broken

Op has my supreme support .

Mythic_Brawl · April 3, 2012, 5:07am

> just needs 1-50, ranks that dont reset like arena does after a certain time period
> good, FAIR, competitive settings. jetpack, armor lock, camo, etc. are NOT fair. AAs are overall bad, get rid of them.
> multiple playlists where decent competition can be found. If I want competition in reach I have to go to gamebattles.
> a ranking system that shows both the skill and exp of the player (like H3) that way those who hate ranked can still progress to a point and be a staffy or whatever.
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> also
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> BR > DMR
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> Avernus out!
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> PS: congrats on posting like a big boy fluffy

I am all for AA’s if they are stationed around each map like how equipment used to be, if we all have perks and built in armor abilities off start then yeah Halo 4 will be worse than Reach.

Valto_AG · April 3, 2012, 5:13am

Halo has always been a game where everyone started equal. To gain an advantage over your team you needed to push up and out of you rbase and control certain parts of the map.

If everyone starts equal it reduces the randomness that we have had to grow accustomed to in Reach.

I agree with the OP. We need more comp playlists. nuff said.

Shere_Khan · April 3, 2012, 5:22am

> Halo has always been a game where everyone started equal. To gain an advantage over your team you needed to push up and out of you rbase and control certain parts of the map.
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> If everyone starts equal it reduces the randomness that we have had to grow accustomed to in Reach.
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> I agree with the OP. We need more comp playlists. nuff said.

We need to maintain the balance of Ranked, and Social Playlists. The equilibrium involved between Casual gaming, and Competitive gaming.

I am glad to see you agree.

F_U_N_Z_B_O_B · April 3, 2012, 5:31am

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Its the ghost of lion king …

I miss playing Ranked and winning 52% of my Team Slayer games because I only played wih kids with the downs

O the good old days

Bring it back 343i - the downs kids need me

Shere_Khan · April 3, 2012, 5:48am

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> Its the ghost of lion king …
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> I miss playing Ranked and winning 52% of my Team Slayer games because I only played wih kids with the downs
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> Bring it back 343i - the downs kids need me

LOL I made someone upset, and have to use this account for a day.

Trolling aside I hope someone with a brain see this thread.

II_Naku_II · April 3, 2012, 6:34am

Additionally, I would like to see at least the ranked playlist record games won/lost per playlist. This would promote competitive play particularly in objective lists.

Shere_Khan · April 3, 2012, 6:39am

> Additionally, I would like to see at least the ranked playlist record games won/lost per playlist. This would promote competitive play particularly in objective lists.

There is a separate thread made bout that here is the link → http://halo.xbox.com/Forums/yaf_postst69891_Halo-4-ranking-system---Ranks-AND-GAMEPLAY.aspx

F_U_N_Z_B_O_B · April 3, 2012, 11:17am

> Additionally, I would like to see at least the ranked playlist record games won/lost per playlist. This would promote competitive play .

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KILLIMANJAROX07 · April 3, 2012, 10:27pm

I agree with the OP. We need competition in Halo!!!