Help me understand the Insurrection Movement?

So, this is the base line of the Halo universe it seems, Spartans were made to fight these guys, we learned naval warfare in space because of them, all of which helped us fight the Covenant.

But so far, I personally don’t know much about them aside from that they seem justified to want independence from the military branches knowing the histories.

So… Is there some info out there which I haven’t read? I would like to know the specifics that sparked the fire which caused all of this; as I stand now it seems similar to how America wanted independence from England, which I also know little about unfortunately.

I find this all very interesting and wish we could have a novel revolving around all this to give a fresh and new perspective on it all.

My understanding of part of the problems which spawned the insurrectionist movement are:

Over taxed - (I have no idea how much or how bad they were being taxed)

Wanting to be independent by moving to remote regions - (I don’t really see their justification in this though, from my understanding, the government (UEG/UNSC) established the colonies of which allowed people to move and live there, which sounds like it would be hella costly, so it would be kind of ridiculous to move to a colony which cost the government probably hundreds of billions of dollars or the equivalent of credits to establish, then to want independence; if it was privately done I could see justification though.)

That’s all I can surmise, I know know the governing practices they had back then, I can recall the UEG (Unified Earth Government) being corrupt in various ways, I just don’t remember how bad aside from just selling arms off without permission. It could be a lot worse though.

Well, if you aren’t living on a Core World you’re just some poor colonist on an obscure planet located millions of light years from the governing body that doesn’t even care about you, if they think of you at all.

I can definitely understand the desire for self-government. It’s not like the UEG is going to be looking out for your interests.

> Well, if you aren’t living on a Core World you’re just some poor colonist on an obscure planet located millions of light years from the governing body that doesn’t even care about you, if they think of you at all.
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> I can definitely understand the desire for self-government. It’s not like the UEG is going to be looking out for your interests.

It’s not quite as black and white as that.

> Well, if you aren’t living on a Core World you’re just some poor colonist on an obscure planet located millions of light years from the governing body that doesn’t even care about you, if they think of you at all.
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> I can definitely understand the desire for self-government. It’s not like the UEG is going to be looking out for your interests.

That doesn’t justify terrorism and war. Certainly not continuing to attack the UNSC while it is the only thing protecting Humanity from the Covenant.

> > Well, if you aren’t living on a Core World you’re just some poor colonist on an obscure planet located millions of light years from the governing body that doesn’t even care about you, if they think of you at all.
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> > I can definitely understand the desire for self-government. It’s not like the UEG is going to be looking out for your interests.
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> That doesn’t justify terrorism and war. Certainly not continuing to attack the UNSC while it is the only thing protecting Humanity from the Covenant.

Exactly this. With the way the outer colonies have been treated, they deserve and are justified in the right of civil disobedience or protesting, but they are certainly not justified in physical violence on a lethal scale.

> That doesn’t justify terrorism and war. Certainly not continuing to attack the UNSC while it is the only thing protecting Humanity from the Covenant.

I never said it did?

The actual war probably happened because of an escalating cycle of hatred and violence caused by poor communication and even poorer decision making by a minority of both sides.

It basically comes down to the fact that the Outer Colonies were considered a haven from the strict control of the UEG and UNSC. As a result, strong, nationalist sentiment found hold and the UEG became seen as an outside force.

A huge uprising occured in 2492 on Far Isle. To put it down, the UNSC nuked the colony. This is one incident cited by Insurrectionist as reason to fight the UNSC.

In 2494, there was the Callisto Incident, seen by historians to be the spark that started the Insurrection proper. Basically, the colony Levosia was suspected of diverting supplies for FTL drives to the black market. The UEG initiated a blockade on the 26 Draconis System to search ships. During a standard board and search, shots were fired, though which side, the UNSC or the merchants, was at fault is unclear. The next time the Callisto stopped a ship, the Callisto was hijacked, and her crew killed.

With the capture of the Callisto, 3 ships were sent to retrieve or destroy the renegade ship. Long story short, the Callisto was prepared and the UNSC’s response ships were untested. 1 ship was destroyed, the other 2 severely damaged. Then 2nd Lt. Preston Cole signaled the Callisto, saying he wanted to surrender. In truth, he had loaded his ship’s last missile in the docking bay. When the Callisto went to dock, the missile was fired, destroying the renegade ship.

After that, the insurrection got fired up, and started bombing the -Yoink- of UNSC controlled anythings, and the rest is history.

Halopedia’s Article on the Insurrection

According to Halopedia, the Outer Colonists were upset with the “overbearing” bureaucracy of the CAA. Peaceful protests began, and the UEG attempted to negotiate with the upset colonists, but after years of not a whole lot of progress, the more frustrated radical protesters turned to more violent means.

Of course, Halopedia words it pretty strangely. It says that the protesters adopted terrorist tactics after the years of negligible negotiations, but then, states that they only became terrorists as the UNSC counter-insurgent operations increased.

> Well, if you aren’t living on a Core World you’re just some poor colonist on an obscure planet located millions of light years from the governing body that doesn’t even care about you, if they think of you at all.
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> I can definitely understand the desire for self-government. It’s not like the UEG is going to be looking out for your interests.

Looking at the novel Contact: Harvest, seems like the outer colonies weren’t that beaten down. I’m assuming Harvest was fairly far off in the outer colonies.

> It basically comes down to the fact that the Outer Colonies were considered a haven from the strict control of the UEG and UNSC. As a result, strong, nationalist sentiment found hold and the UEG became seen as an outside force.
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> A huge uprising occured in 2492 on Far Isle. To put it down, the UNSC nuked the colony. This is one incident cited by Insurrectionist as reason to fight the UNSC.
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> In 2494, there was the Callisto Incident, seen by historians to be the spark that started the Insurrection proper. Basically, the colony Levosia was suspected of diverting supplies for FTL drives to the black market. The UEG initiated a blockade on the 26 Draconis System to search ships. During a standard board and search, shots were fired, though which side, the UNSC or the merchants, was at fault is unclear. The next time the Callisto stopped a ship, the Callisto was hijacked, and her crew killed.
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> With the capture of the Callisto, 3 ships were sent to retrieve or destroy the renegade ship. Long story short, the Callisto was prepared and the UNSC’s response ships were untested. 1 ship was destroyed, the other 2 severely damaged. Then 2nd Lt. Preston Cole signaled the Callisto, saying he wanted to surrender. In truth, he had loaded his ship’s last missile in the docking bay. When the Callisto went to dock, the missile was fired, destroying the renegade ship.
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> After that, the insurrection got fired up, and started bombing the Yoink! of UNSC controlled anythings, and the rest is history.
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> Halopedia’s Article on the Insurrection

Perfect explanation. Could you tell me when the insurrectionists used a nuke on a city? I’m curious who nuked who first. If I recall correctly the insurrectionists used a nuke that is.

> Perfect explanation. Could you tell me when the insurrectionists used a nuke on a city? I’m curious who nuked who first. If I recall correctly the insurrectionists used a nuke that is.

The UNSC used nukes first at Far Isle (2492). Only one incident of Insurrectionist using nukes is known, the suicide bombing of Haven arcology(2511). Still, Insurrectionist movements used suicide bombings on a few occasions, often killing innocent bystanders.

> Looking at the novel Contact: Harvest, seems like the outer colonies weren’t that beaten down. I’m assuming Harvest was fairly far off in the outer colonies.

I’m just thinking that when you’re on a mere one planet of hundreds, you might not get the attention you feel you deserve.

You’re being governed by people who have likely never even visited your planet. How are they going to be able to do what’s best for you?

There were a few factors that led to the war.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 43

During colonial expansion, Humankind made some [Forerunner] discoveries that were kept as closely guarded secrets by the UNSC’s Officer of Naval Intelligence.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 43 (continued)

The complete power that ONI exercised over the control of research and information flow from these various discoveries showed their growing power within the UNSC and the Government’s desire to maintain control over the colonies. As Humanity expanded, the UNSC took every step necessary to keep its grip on the Outer Colonies. The Inner Colonies depended on the resources the Outer Colonies provided and the Outer Colonies depended on UNSC-maintained supply lines. By the 2400s, Outer and even many Inner Colonies soon began to question the often draconian interference of the UNSC in what was supposed to be a confederation of independently governed worlds.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 44

As the UNSC increasingly countermanded and complicated the functioning governments of the Inner and Outer colony worlds, unrest began to foment. Complaints were generally ignored by the UNSC until finally rebellion began. Minor uprising were common throughout the settling of the UNSC colonies but the superior forces of the UNSC had been able to put them down easily.

Halo Evolutions Page 428 - 429

It was the end of the Golden Age of human colonization. As of 2494 CE it was still a time of peace and prosperity, but Earth had begun to overreach its logistical ability to control her colonies. Several factors led to the destabilization of the more distant, or as later called, ‘Outer’ Colonies.
1. There were widely varying standards for recruitment to the Outer Colonies. ‘Colonization contractors’ were more interested in staking claims to valuable resource rights than providing the most-skilled personnel. Some people were illegally conscripted and others were law-breakers granted pardons if they agreed to go-all of which led to these colonists being less than absolutely loyal to Earth.
2. Some colonies struck out on their own, procuring by legal or illegal means of transport to farther-flung worlds, partially or wholly outside Earth’s control.
3. Continued taxes, levies and restricted trade practices by the CMA increased friction as the Outer Colonies received only a fraction of the benefits they were taxed for.
The situation was a problem of physical as well as psychological dimensions. Mathematically the volume of the sphere increases as its radius cubed and so the number of Outer Colonies grew. Given such a numerical advantage and the fact that they encapsulated the Inner Core worlds, there was the belief that Earth and her close colonies were literally surrounded by increasingly hostile forces.
Many now think this was a skewed perception and that given diplomacy and enough time, Earth and her Inner Colonies could have established more harmonious relationships with her farther-flung cousins. Others point out, however, that had there been no military action, the Outer Colonies might have risen to power and threatened the core worlds at the worst possible moment in human history.
All theoretical analysis aside, the United Earth Government and her colonies developed new policies and an increased military presence that would provoke further unfortunate responses from the Outer Colonies… and lead to an undeclared Civil War.

So we have colonies that were made up of illegally conscripted workers and criminals the UNSC simply wanted out of their sight. This ends up establishing groups of people who didn’t really have any true loyalty to Earth to begin with. Then as they began to build new homes for themselves, they discover Forerunner structures which then piques the interest of the Office of Naval Intelligence. In order to ensure their dominance over these extraterrestrial discoveries the UNSC tightens its grip over the colonies and when they protest the UNSC simply increases their military presence even further.

The UNSC interferes with the way the colonies are independently governed, The CMA begins to overtax them which diminishes their ability to make a living and when they protest the UNSC ignores them. This ultimately causes outrage and eventually secession, such as the colony world of Far Isle. When the UNSC couldn’t bring the population under control, they nuked the colony. There were no survivors.

It would seem it was all one big gamble. The UNSC could have done more to find a more peaceful solution but not everyone agreed. They knew either way based on the Carver Findings something had to be done and in the end they chose to go with the military option. There is no way of knowing for sure if the peaceful solution was the better option, but I personally think it would have been preferable to nuking your colonies to death.

And war, it’s sometimes bard to pin point the exact points that lead to it. Little things here, little things there. Take our past wars, world wars. Lots of debated and analysis.

I just hope in the future this wont happen. In real life when humanity reaches the stars I mean.

This made me think of real life 500 years in the future. Sadly all the stories we read might actually not be far off from what might happen. Humanity has always fought, even if we get peace, we will always find some way to fight again. And if we manage to get off and colonize, it just becomes a new potential battle ground.

Halo Legends actually has a good episode on this. Called Origins 2.

> I just hope in the future this wont happen. In real life when humanity reaches the stars I mean.
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> This made me think of real life 500 years in the future. Sadly all the stories we read might actually not be far off from what might happen. Humanity has always fought, even if we get peace, we will always find some way to fight again. And if we manage to get off and colonize, it just becomes a new potential battle ground.
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> Halo Legends actually has a good episode on this. Called Origins 2.

Relevent

> I just hope in the future this wont happen. In real life when humanity reaches the stars I mean.
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> This made me think of real life 500 years in the future. Sadly all the stories we read might actually not be far off from what might happen. Humanity has always fought, even if we get peace, we will always find some way to fight again. And if we manage to get off and colonize, it just becomes a new potential battle ground.
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> Halo Legends actually has a good episode on this. Called Origins 2.

I think we’re almost doomed, stuck in the same circle of evolution. Even if we expand beyond our solar system, I doubt governments will change much, dimwits will be in power forever, the rich will have their strings on the dimwits and the people will always be boned.

I mean, looking at things locally here where I live in Canada, we just had a hospital build, and it’s like they don’t plan ahead, they built it based on the demands of health care at that time, not anticipating what is needed 20 years down the road. So they started building it in 2005, finished around 2008, and two years later the hospital was working beyond max capacity.

In an ideal world if we achieved FTL capabilities we would want each colony to be self-sufficient and not have to rely on another newly formed colony for resources like food and raw materials, but I doubt we can do that unless we can achieve some radically different form of government which stops dimwits making the decisions and prevents the ultra rich from ultimately deciding most major progressions. I mean, wasn’t the electric vehicles held back for decades because of various oil companies sitting on the patents so they could keep their practices going? We had a freaking electric vehicle in the late 1800’s which could go like 80km distance and achieve something like 30/kph speeds… That sounds extremely amazing considering the year this is happening in.

The UEG nuked Far Isle to put down an uprising. That’s the turning point for a lot of people really.

> The UEG nuked Far Isle to put down an uprising. That’s the turning point for a lot of people really.

It was at that point that the UNSC declared “At all costs.” and the Insurrection became a unifying cause.

It was at that point the UNSC lost any “right” to mercy from anyone fighting for what they perceive as freedom.

And what is this freedom from? From the resource depleting militaristic government that made it so the luxury of the outer colonies’ efforts was maintained either within the Sol system, or directly within the military units governing an area.

The pilgrims that died terraforming, mining and outright discovering new worlds, the ones that were born into literally a working class with little recourse for an easy way of life that was being built from the very resources they were collecting… Well to them freedom was being able to make a life for their own.

To choose to risk life and limb for the good of others, just the choice, that is what the Insurrectionists, before they were a unified cause, first wanted.

And then the UNSC went and disposed of a nuisance via nuclear annihilation.

thy ReaperMC, after reading this, I would absolutely love to have a novel made with an insurrectionist POV, heck there could even be the POV of the UNSC.

Would anyone else enjoy a book like that?