Evening Spartans,
So as the title suggests are there heavy or vehicle bourne SOIEVs? My question arises from as those of you fans who either actually serve or a keen on military capability know that parachuting vehicles and armour into a battle zone is trailed and proven doctrine for a few major militaries of the world.
The most capable being Russian airborne forces who can parachute infantry fighting vehicles and tanks with their crews embarked straight into combat so that they literally hit the ground shooting and moving. To a lesser extent the US military has this ability( sorry yanks…it’s the truth) by being able to drop wheeled vehicles and light armour in followed by the crew to quickly mount and have the vehicle in the fight. Same can be said for the rest of NATO.
Now fast forward to the halo universe where we have clearly evolved the way we fight, why hasn’t this been seen or read about. Vehicles are typically either already on the ground or brought in via drop ship…excluding Scarabs which are almost exclusively dropped in from orbit. Now imagine especially with the desperate tone halo 6 should take or if not during the war, a small crack division of Scorpion or Grizzly tanks, Warthogs, Cougars and other armoured vehicles being hot dropped on top of an enemy position in support of ODSTS. Or post war a platoon of Mantises being dropped on top the enemy. That is shock and awe coupled with bang you’re dead.
The pods operates similarly to the ODST pod fired from a ship, decends from orbit, a drag chute deploys to slow the vehicle down and at a set distance the chute realeses, the pod breaks apart and the vehicle lands on the deck or a one use, discarding thruster pack for armour, those thruster vents on the Mantis breaks the fall. In a game where we can bend space time and have huge rail cannons this shouldn’t be impossible.
So what do you all think of this idea? Functional or hogwash? Looking forward to it.
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> Evening Spartans,
>
> So as the title suggests are there heavy or vehicle bourne SOIEVs? My question arises from as those of you fans who either actually serve or a keen on military capability know that parachuting vehicles and armour into a battle zone is trailed and proven doctrine for a few major militaries of the world.
>
> The most capable being Russian airborne forces who can parachute infantry fighting vehicles and tanks with their crews embarked straight into combat so that they literally hit the ground shooting and moving. To a lesser extent the US military has this ability( sorry yanks…it’s the truth) by being able to drop wheeled vehicles and light armour in followed by the crew to quickly mount and have the vehicle in the fight. Same can be said for the rest of NATO.
>
> Now fast forward to the halo universe where we have clearly evolved the way we fight, why hasn’t this been seen or read about. Vehicles are typically either already on the ground or brought in via drop ship…excluding Scarabs which are almost exclusively dropped in from orbit. Now imagine especially with the desperate tone halo 6 should take or if not during the war, a small crack division of Scorpion or Grizzly tanks, Warthogs, Cougars and other armoured vehicles being hot dropped on top of an enemy position in support of ODSTS. Or post war a platoon of Mantises being dropped on top the enemy. That is shock and awe coupled with bang you’re dead.
>
> The pods operates similarly to the ODST pod fired from a ship, decends from orbit, a drag chute deploys to slow the vehicle down and at a set distance the chute realeses, the pod breaks apart and the vehicle lands on the deck or a one use, discarding thruster pack for armour, those thruster vents on the Mantis breaks the fall. In a game where we can bend space time and have huge rail cannons this shouldn’t be impossible.
>
> So what do you all think of this idea? Functional or hogwash? Looking forward to it.
I misunderstood your use of vehicle-borne. Vehicle bearing SOIEV’s would be pretty cool. I mean, you’re already dropping ODSTs in there, might as well equip them well.
I would say the only limitation is that ODST pods are standard size, where vehicle bearing pods would be of differing sizes, though you could load those and keep them in ready reserve, rather than load them up right before a mission.
I could definitely see this being something that would be useful, depending on operational considerations.
It’s a cool idea, but until the HC war there was no real need for them (an elite force of ODSTs would cause less outrage and potential insurrectionist recruits than a couple of tanks being dropped from orbit).
Also, this is quite nitpicky, but they wouldn’t be SOIEVs if they dropped vehicled (excluding the mantis) because they would most likely not be Single Occupant Insertion Exoatmospheric Vehicles (forgive me if I got what it stands for wrong, but that seems about right.)
There was something similar in Cole Protocol, a drop pod with a mongoose inside, but that’s clearly not as large scale as your idea.
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> > Evening Spartans,
> >
> > So as the title suggests are there heavy or vehicle bourne SOIEVs? My question arises from as those of you fans who either actually serve or a keen on military capability know that parachuting vehicles and armour into a battle zone is trailed and proven doctrine for a few major militaries of the world.
> >
> > The most capable being Russian airborne forces who can parachute infantry fighting vehicles and tanks with their crews embarked straight into combat so that they literally hit the ground shooting and moving. To a lesser extent the US military has this ability( sorry yanks…it’s the truth) by being able to drop wheeled vehicles and light armour in followed by the crew to quickly mount and have the vehicle in the fight. Same can be said for the rest of NATO.
> >
> > Now fast forward to the halo universe where we have clearly evolved the way we fight, why hasn’t this been seen or read about. Vehicles are typically either already on the ground or brought in via drop ship…excluding Scarabs which are almost exclusively dropped in from orbit. Now imagine especially with the desperate tone halo 6 should take or if not during the war, a small crack division of Scorpion or Grizzly tanks, Warthogs, Cougars and other armoured vehicles being hot dropped on top of an enemy position in support of ODSTS. Or post war a platoon of Mantises being dropped on top the enemy. That is shock and awe coupled with bang you’re dead.
> >
> > The pods operates similarly to the ODST pod fired from a ship, decends from orbit, a drag chute deploys to slow the vehicle down and at a set distance the chute realeses, the pod breaks apart and the vehicle lands on the deck or a one use, discarding thruster pack for armour, those thruster vents on the Mantis breaks the fall. In a game where we can bend space time and have huge rail cannons this shouldn’t be impossible.
> >
> > So what do you all think of this idea? Functional or hogwash? Looking forward to it.
>
> I misunderstood your use of vehicle-borne. Vehicle bearing SOIEV’s would be pretty cool. I mean, you’re already dropping ODSTs in there, might as well equip them well.
>
> I would say the only limitation is that ODST pods are standard size, where vehicle bearing pods would be of differing sizes, though you could load those and keep them in ready reserve, rather than load them up right before a mission.
>
> I could definitely see this being something that would be useful, depending on operational considerations.
Yeah I mean a pod tailor built to hold vehicles. The outside can be a general design with the securing clasps on the inside tailored for what ever vehicle is being loaded.
As for loading these pods would be kept quite close the vehicle bays for obvious reasons and their launch tubes fitted not far from said bays. I would imagine them to be either craned in to place or a type of conveyer belt system fitted which can retract into the deck when not in use.
I was away on operations and saw light fighting vehicles dropped out the back of a C-17 for us and saw a video of Russians dropping a tank out the same way and as soon as it’s tracks were a few feet above the ground it was firing and ready to move. It would just be cool to see used in future media.
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> It’s a cool idea, but until the HC war there was no real need for them (an elite force of ODSTs would cause less outrage and potential insurrectionist recruits than a couple of tanks being dropped from orbit).
> Also, this is quite nitpicky, but they wouldn’t be SOIEVs if they dropped vehicled (excluding the mantis) because they would most likely not be Single Occupant Insertion Exoatmospheric Vehicles (forgive me if I got what it stands for wrong, but that seems about right.)
> There was something similar in Cole Protocol, a drop pod with a mongoose inside, but that’s clearly not as large scale as your idea.
I can agree to some extent that before the war it may not have always been tactical ideal but people must remember the insurrection weren’t just a bunch of fly by night terrorist. They had strong defences at any substantial base the point could be argued that a the same reason ODST would be pod dropped and not dropship, a VBEIV (Vehicle Bourne Exoatmospheric Insertion Vehicle) would be practical.
By the time of the war this should have very well been in practice, as said before dropping troops in with the armour and vehicles to truly blitz an enemy.
Glad I am not the only one that thinks this could be cool.
The UNSC has air-droppable containers for everything up to and including Scorpions Im fairly certain. Hence why the Scorpion’s so small and compact; its designed to be carried by everything from a Pelican to an Elephant to an air-droppable container. Infinity has them in her Mass Depolyment Bays.
For the most part though, its easier just to send in ODSTs or, if there’s heavy ordinance, rip the base off the face of the planet with an Archer barrage.
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> The UNSC has air-droppable containers for everything up to and including Scorpions Im fairly certain. Hence why the Scorpion’s so small and compact; its designed to be carried by everything from a Pelican to an Elephant to an air-droppable container. Infinity has them in her Mass Depolyment Bays.
>
> For the most part though, its easier just to send in ODSTs or, if there’s heavy ordinance, rip the base off the face of the planet with an Archer barrage.
I agree that the Scorpion and most UNSC vehicles are air transportable by dropships and most heavy mobile command platforms like the Elephant or Mammoth, though I don’t know if they are big enough of carry a Scorpion tank though.
However we have never heard about vehicles being proper dropped into a fight. While I would like to think it is possible it would be good to see or read about…343i’s if you are listening make it so.
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> I was away on operations and saw light fighting vehicles dropped out the back of a C-17 for us and saw a video of Russians dropping a tank out the same way and as soon as it’s tracks were a few feet above the ground it was firing and ready to move. It would just be cool to see used in future media.
Depending of the type of tank,hes already able to shoot while still in the air.
But I hope its clear why this never happend.
Also these UNSC containers are most likley airdeployable at some exend.
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> > > Evening Spartans,
> > >
> > > So as the title suggests are there heavy or vehicle bourne SOIEVs? My question arises from as those of you fans who either actually serve or a keen on military capability know that parachuting vehicles and armour into a battle zone is trailed and proven doctrine for a few major militaries of the world.
> > >
> > > The most capable being Russian airborne forces who can parachute infantry fighting vehicles and tanks with their crews embarked straight into combat so that they literally hit the ground shooting and moving. To a lesser extent the US military has this ability( sorry yanks…it’s the truth) by being able to drop wheeled vehicles and light armour in followed by the crew to quickly mount and have the vehicle in the fight. Same can be said for the rest of NATO.
> > >
> > > Now fast forward to the halo universe where we have clearly evolved the way we fight, why hasn’t this been seen or read about. Vehicles are typically either already on the ground or brought in via drop ship…excluding Scarabs which are almost exclusively dropped in from orbit. Now imagine especially with the desperate tone halo 6 should take or if not during the war, a small crack division of Scorpion or Grizzly tanks, Warthogs, Cougars and other armoured vehicles being hot dropped on top of an enemy position in support of ODSTS. Or post war a platoon of Mantises being dropped on top the enemy. That is shock and awe coupled with bang you’re dead.
> > >
> > > The pods operates similarly to the ODST pod fired from a ship, decends from orbit, a drag chute deploys to slow the vehicle down and at a set distance the chute realeses, the pod breaks apart and the vehicle lands on the deck or a one use, discarding thruster pack for armour, those thruster vents on the Mantis breaks the fall. In a game where we can bend space time and have huge rail cannons this shouldn’t be impossible.
> > >
> > > So what do you all think of this idea? Functional or hogwash? Looking forward to it.
> >
> > I misunderstood your use of vehicle-borne. Vehicle bearing SOIEV’s would be pretty cool. I mean, you’re already dropping ODSTs in there, might as well equip them well.
> >
> > I would say the only limitation is that ODST pods are standard size, where vehicle bearing pods would be of differing sizes, though you could load those and keep them in ready reserve, rather than load them up right before a mission.
> >
> > I could definitely see this being something that would be useful, depending on operational considerations.
>
> Yeah I mean a pod tailor built to hold vehicles. The outside can be a general design with the securing clasps on the inside tailored for what ever vehicle is being loaded.
>
> As for loading these pods would be kept quite close the vehicle bays for obvious reasons and their launch tubes fitted not far from said bays. I would imagine them to be either craned in to place or a type of conveyer belt system fitted which can retract into the deck when not in use.
>
> I was away on operations and saw light fighting vehicles dropped out the back of a C-17 for us and saw a video of Russians dropping a tank out the same way and as soon as it’s tracks were a few feet above the ground it was firing and ready to move. It would just be cool to see used in future media.
I remember seeing our boys drop some pretty heavy stuff, and it was cool.
It would be cool to see.
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> > The UNSC has air-droppable containers for everything up to and including Scorpions Im fairly certain. Hence why the Scorpion’s so small and compact; its designed to be carried by everything from a Pelican to an Elephant to an air-droppable container. Infinity has them in her Mass Depolyment Bays.
> >
> > For the most part though, its easier just to send in ODSTs or, if there’s heavy ordinance, rip the base off the face of the planet with an Archer barrage.
>
> I agree that the Scorpion and most UNSC vehicles are air transportable by dropships and most heavy mobile command platforms like the Elephant or Mammoth, though I don’t know if they are big enough of carry a Scorpion tank though.
>
> However we have never heard about vehicles being proper dropped into a fight. While I would like to think it is possible it would be good to see or read about…343i’s if you are listening make it so.
Well there’s the spawn points for the vehicles on Halo 3’s Vahalla, which look like air-drop pallets, at least to me. And there’s concept art for Halo 2 that shows a Warthog getting dropped out the back of a Pelican with a bunch of ODSTs following it down. Probably the SOIEV drop over Delta Halo before they had them riding pods.
For those of you that haven’t played Halo Wars 2, Vehicles can be dropped in similarly to ODST’s. Due to the nature of how it displays the method of dropping in you can’t see if it is in a container or some sort of drop pallet, but like with the Russian vehicles you mentioned, they are ready for action as they touch down.
Cutter:
ODST drop - X3 ODST’s squads In normal SOIEVs
Cyclops drop - X1 Cyclops in oversized SOIEV?
ODST Assault Group drop - X2 ODST teams
X1 Cyclops
X1 Wolverine on Drop Pallet
X1 Scorpion on Drop Pallet
Kinsano:
Hell drop - X3 Hellbringer flamethrower squads in incendiary SOIEVS (set up to the ground on landing for added shock and awe)
Flamehog drop - X3 Flamethrower warthogs on drop pallets
Firestorm Battle group - X2 Hellbringers in SOIEVS
X2 Hornets
X1 Scorpion on drop pallet
I don’t know how the Hornets would drop, perhaps land and then immediately take off, or fly down from the Spirit of Fire to coincide with the rest of the group landing. Either way, I agree it would make for some incredible gameplay in Halo 6, being slowly pushed back and the Infinity drops ODST’s and scorpions on top of your position, crushing a lot of enemies as they land and then getting to work on mopping up on stragglers. It would be like the opening to Silent Cartographer combined with the opening of Delta Halo mixed with the section on the Ark with the scorpion tanks.
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> For those of you that haven’t played Halo Wars 2, Vehicles can be dropped in similarly to ODST’s. Due to the nature of how it displays the method of dropping in you can’t see if it is in a container or some sort of drop pallet, but like with the Russian vehicles you mentioned, they are ready for action as they touch down.
>
> Cutter:
> ODST drop - X3 ODST’s squads In normal SOIEVs
> Cyclops drop - X1 Cyclops in oversized SOIEV?
> ODST Assault Group drop - X2 ODST teams
> X1 Cyclops
> X1 Wolverine on Drop Pallet
> X1 Scorpion on Drop Pallet
>
> Kinsano:
> Hell drop - X3 Hellbringer flamethrower squads in incendiary SOIEVS (set up to the ground on landing for added shock and awe)
> Flamehog drop - X3 Flamethrower warthogs on drop pallets
> Firestorm Battle group - X2 Hellbringers in SOIEVS
> X2 Hornets
> X1 Scorpion on drop pallet
>
> I don’t know how the Hornets would drop, perhaps land and then immediately take off, or fly down from the Spirit of Fire to coincide with the rest of the group landing. Either way, I agree it would make for some incredible gameplay in Halo 6, being slowly pushed back and the Infinity drops ODST’s and scorpions on top of your position, crushing a lot of enemies as they land and then getting to work on mopping up on stragglers. It would be like the opening to Silent Cartographer combined with the opening of Delta Halo mixed with the section on the Ark with the scorpion tanks.
In reference to the VTOL fleet they maybe dropped from low orbit, near the edge of the stratosphere maybe, use their jet engines and control surfaces for a rapid but controlled decent and once the air density was suitable enough use their rotors to proceed to target.
That is my guess anyway.
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> > For those of you that haven’t played Halo Wars 2, Vehicles can be dropped in similarly to ODST’s. Due to the nature of how it displays the method of dropping in you can’t see if it is in a container or some sort of drop pallet, but like with the Russian vehicles you mentioned, they are ready for action as they touch down.
> >
> > Cutter:
> > ODST drop - X3 ODST’s squads In normal SOIEVs
> > Cyclops drop - X1 Cyclops in oversized SOIEV?
> > ODST Assault Group drop - X2 ODST teams
> > X1 Cyclops
> > X1 Wolverine on Drop Pallet
> > X1 Scorpion on Drop Pallet
> >
> > Kinsano:
> > Hell drop - X3 Hellbringer flamethrower squads in incendiary SOIEVS (set up to the ground on landing for added shock and awe)
> > Flamehog drop - X3 Flamethrower warthogs on drop pallets
> > Firestorm Battle group - X2 Hellbringers in SOIEVS
> > X2 Hornets
> > X1 Scorpion on drop pallet
> >
> > I don’t know how the Hornets would drop, perhaps land and then immediately take off, or fly down from the Spirit of Fire to coincide with the rest of the group landing. Either way, I agree it would make for some incredible gameplay in Halo 6, being slowly pushed back and the Infinity drops ODST’s and scorpions on top of your position, crushing a lot of enemies as they land and then getting to work on mopping up on stragglers. It would be like the opening to Silent Cartographer combined with the opening of Delta Halo mixed with the section on the Ark with the scorpion tanks.
>
> In reference to the VTOL fleet they maybe dropped from low orbit, near the edge of the stratosphere maybe, use their jet engines and control surfaces for a rapid but controlled decent and once the air density was suitable enough use their rotors to proceed to target.
>
> That is my guess anyway.
Maybe fold up the landing skids and drop that way?
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> The UNSC has air-droppable containers for everything up to and including Scorpions Im fairly certain. Hence why the Scorpion’s so small and compact; its designed to be carried by everything from a Pelican to an Elephant to an air-droppable container. Infinity has them in her Mass Depolyment Bays.
>
> For the most part though, its easier just to send in ODSTs or, if there’s heavy ordinance, rip the base off the face of the planet with an Archer barrage.
lol
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> > The UNSC has air-droppable containers for everything up to and including Scorpions Im fairly certain. Hence why the Scorpion’s so small and compact; its designed to be carried by everything from a Pelican to an Elephant to an air-droppable container. Infinity has them in her Mass Depolyment Bays.
> >
> > For the most part though, its easier just to send in ODSTs or, if there’s heavy ordinance, rip the base off the face of the planet with an Archer barrage.
>
> lol
I mean compaired to the Grizzly, and theoretically whatever other heavy tank the UNSC has.
Seriously, the Scorpion was (until recently anyway) armed with a 90mm gun. Most MBTs of the current era have a 120mm at least. By most accounts it would be a medium or air-drop tank, like the Sheradin.
Course now the M820 has a 150mm I think, yet for some reason it does about the same damage…
