Heavies, griefing and betrayal boots

I’d suggest Heavies is a mode meant for fun. It’s not about domination or massive “skillz” as much as just trying out the various vehicles and weapons and just, well, blowing stuff up. Should be fun.

Can someone please shut off the team damage in Heavies playlist so it’s fun again? How idiotic is it to give every large vehicle and heavy weapon in a game mode, then make it impossible to use them without a constant risk of getting booted?

Examples:
Exile game, jump in the wraith at the game’s start. Teammate decides either that he wants it, or he’s going to be an idiot and continue grenading and shooting until I’m either near death, jump out or die. I decide to just drive off, he literally runs to get in front and I wind up running him over by accident (Wraiths don’t stop well).
Booted.

Ragnarok game, again a Wraith. From the base, I see a group of enemies in the middle high ground hiding in the rocks. Fire a long shot (hang time roughly 8 seconds), dead on target. Half way there, the enemies vacate, and a teammate runs in. Naturally, it lands right on him, he dies.
Booted.

Ragnarok game, this time a Scorpion. From behind, a Ghost starts shooting at me. I turn (slowly, as they do) and see him, fire a shot. It flips the Ghost instead of destroying it, and as it rolls it hits a teammate, killing him.
Booted.

Vortex game, starting with a Warthog gunner and no driver. Teammate grenaded me. I die, no boot (not a guest). Spawn, jump in a Mantis; Spartan laser, same guy, no boot option. Spawn, jump in a nearby Ghost; grenaded by the same player, no boot option. Spawn, jump in a Wraith; grenaded, nearly wrecked the vehicle, turn, see it’s the same guy (who apparently has nothing better to do than kill me). Mad now, I fire at him and he dies.
Instantly booted. Can’t say I didn’t earn that one, but felt it was justified.

Exile game (and this is my favorite), again a wraith. I’m in the Blue spawn area, just got in. I move sideways into the corner, not one teammate nearby. I inexplicably explode (no visible shot, no enemies in sight, radar clear…and the announcer says I betrayed someone. By exploding without reason, and no one anywhere near (unless they’d just spawned. I hadn’t shot, I’d stopped moving so didn’t run anyone over. That one, I have no clue about. Cheat? Broken server response?

These are not intentional (except that Vortex one). They’re not even me being careless, it’s either someone deliberately griefing or just in the wrong place and so on.

How about it, 343, you’ve already made many of these rounds incredibly silly with flags and KOTH (not everyone loves that sort of game mode, and it’s often 3/3 in a round)…how about shutting off team damage and make them playable?

I think it’s fine how it is. Even without friendly fire some of those betrayals would have happened anyway, splatters are not affected by turning friendly fire off. In my experience 95% of the time a single betrayal doesn’t get me booted.

If you’re really having problems with teammates destroying your vehicles just get a team together. You can always create a makeshift team from the people you meet in matchmaking. If you get a teammate who does well and is a good sport, send him an invite. If you’re a good team player people will want to join you.

Halo is a lot more fun when you have a team that works as a team.

The announcer says “betrayal” if you betray someone or if they betray you, so you probably were betrayed a team mate on exile.

It is hardly a big deal. It works fine as it is. People accidently betray me all the time, and I forgive them rather than boot. You just had a run of bad luck. This stuff doesn’t happen that often.

> It is hardly a big deal. It works fine as it is. People accidently betray me all the time, and I forgive them rather than boot. You just had a run of bad luck. This stuff doesn’t happen that often.

I always boot if i get the option, regardless if it was accidentally betrayal or intended betrayal.
Many betrayals may not be intended, but caused by the unawareness of your teammate (shooting enemies with scorpion, regardless if u are nearby or not etc.) which pisses me of even more.

While I have accidentally betrayed people a few times, having friendly fire on makes you more strategic and aware of your team. This, I think, makes the gametype more team oriented, and therefore I think they should leave FF on.

> > It is hardly a big deal. It works fine as it is. People accidently betray me all the time, and I forgive them rather than boot. You just had a run of bad luck. This stuff doesn’t happen that often.
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> I always boot if i get the option, regardless if it was accidentally betrayal or intended betrayal.
> Many betrayals may not be intended, but caused by the unawareness of your teammate (shooting enemies with scorpion, regardless if u are nearby or not etc.) which pisses me of even more.

That’s a pretty poor attitude. I always think about whether I want to boot before I make a decision. I’ll take a few moments to decide whether I think it was intentional or an accident and if I believe it’s an accident I’ll usually let them off. Why ruin the fun for others?

Yesterday during a game of heavies I was kicked for an accidental betrayal despite being the best player on the team and it being my team mate’s fault, so that was quite annoying.

Yeah, I really, really, really, REALLY hate when a teammate deliberately runs me over, or kills me for a weapon I picked up. Stupid.

> Yeah, I really, really, really, REALLY hate when a teammate deliberately runs me over, or kills me for a weapon I picked up. Stupid.

your right man. i hat it, especally when i got the sniper on exile or ragnarok. even i got no special weapon or vehicle, I can play with my team and support them.

i hope it will be better in h5.

> > > It is hardly a big deal. It works fine as it is. People accidently betray me all the time, and I forgive them rather than boot. You just had a run of bad luck. This stuff doesn’t happen that often.
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> > I always boot if i get the option, regardless if it was accidentally betrayal or intended betrayal.
> > Many betrayals may not be intended, but caused by the unawareness of your teammate (shooting enemies with scorpion, regardless if u are nearby or not etc.) which pisses me of even more.
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> That’s a pretty poor attitude. I always think about whether I want to boot before I make a decision. I’ll take a few moments to decide whether I think it was intentional or an accident and if I believe it’s an accident I’ll usually let them off. Why ruin the fun for others?
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> Yesterday during a game of heavies I was kicked for an accidental betrayal despite being the best player on the team and it being my team mate’s fault, so that was quite annoying.

yeah u know in the moment of rage, i don’t really think about anything at all…however when i see that someone is really doing well and it was an obvious accident, i let them off, but most of the time it’s always the -Yoink- on ur team who betrays you, so…
we’re talking about a chaotic playlist u know, i don’t boot in other playlists so quickly where your teammates are more necessary in order to win

> > It is hardly a big deal. It works fine as it is. People accidently betray me all the time, and I forgive them rather than boot. You just had a run of bad luck. This stuff doesn’t happen that often.
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> I always boot if i get the option, regardless if it was accidentally betrayal or intended betrayal.
> Many betrayals may not be intended, but caused by the unawareness of your teammate (shooting enemies with scorpion, regardless if u are nearby or not etc.) which pisses me of even more.

So even if you run IN FRONT OF ME while I have the little blinking laser because my Splaser is charging up and end up getting toasted when your body suddenly fills my screen right as it fires . . . you’ll boot?

I’ve played Heavies exclusively since it came out and accumulated a couple hundred matches in it. I’ve been booted a total of 4 times. Once was because the same guy betrayed me for the sniper twice in the same match (and the match was already way out of hand . . . and he had “MLG” in his GT and service tag . . . and he was awful), so I just tried to kill him as many times as I could before time expired. Once was because our team had a moron who was constantly EMPing our vehicles while we were engaged with the other team. My third rocket kill of said moron got me booted. Once was because I plasma naded a Wraith that blew up and killed a teammate who was inexplicably trying to board it after I stuck it. Once was because I Splasered a hog driven by a teammate, but with an enemy gunner who was pretty good.

I’ve betrayed a lot more people than that. Sometimes it’s deliberate because it’s a strategically good move . . . like when there’s 3 enemies hiding behind the crates on the hill during KoTH on Ragnarok, me in a Wraith, and a lone teammate crouch-walking toward the hill. Yep, I’m going to lob a plasma ball to kill all three of them and my teammate because the net benefit is positive. Sometimes it’s accidental . . . like when someone spawns in front of the hog, or when someone walks right in front of the Splaser (twice . . . same match).

But I rarely get booted for those, just as I rarely boot when given the option. The attitude of auto-boot is not one in which I see much merit. There are often reasons to deliberately betray because it increases the chance of winning. Only if someone is being a complete yoink - betraying for weapons or playing for the other team or deliberately trying to see how long it will take to get booted - do I boot. Everything else, I forgive . . . even intentional betrayals if there is any possible way the guy who betrayed me was doing it because he thought it was a good move for the team.

By the way, I would definitely NOT want to see FF turned off in Heavies. Knowing that your own team’s weapons can kill you makes it play so much better (IMO). I do wish that so many people weren’t idiots . . . but even if you turned FF off, you’d still have those same idiots blowing up your vehicles. They might not be able to outright kill you, but they’ll still figure out ways to trash your game.

I had one of those random betrayals when I had Binary and was scoping for an enemy on the gauss turret without driver. Then some dude decides to run straight through the binary red light in the exact moment when I shoot, killing both of them. Booted.
I was like “Really? Really? Are you even serious?”
Sometimes it seems that the other players are careless and kick you out even when it is mostly their fault.

I think it’s pretty fair to say that somebody should not be given the option to boot if he was killed by something that killed an enemy at the same time, in this & all future Halo titles. Is that so hard to ask?

I’ve been in games where I’ve been on both sides of the betrayal. I’ve been stepped on my a Mantas piloted by a teammate and I have blown up vehicles out from under teammates (unintentionally of course) It all depends on the group that you get paired up with.

If I’m given the option to boot a player, I usually pass on it unless the player is intentionally causing problems for the team I’m on. Its just the nature of the game.

Makes me remember exactly why I don’t miss Friendly Fire.

When I get booted and I know it was my own fault then fine understood, but when idiotic team mates walk in front of me when i’m in a vehicle, then they die and I get booted it’s -Yoink- but that rarely ever happens, mostly I get betrayed at least once every 2-3 heavies games. It’s been worse in other game types. Like in a game of CTF or Lightning Flag (dont remember which one it was,) I got the flag and had a teammate follow me to our flag pole I figured it was to escort me but no as soon as I approached the flag he betrayed me just to take the flag and score himself -.- players like that piss me off

Luckily I’ve only had to deal with a couple griefers so far, and I wasn’t booted for accidental betrayals. I was betrayed a couple times but not on purpose. I was once killed by my team’s wraith from across the entire Ragnarok map. That was hilarious.

OH I SHOULD MENTION some of these betrayals are by accident. People press X to spawn faster, but that’s also the boot button! More terrible game design by 343. I’ve accidentally done it a few times.

> If you’re really having problems with teammates destroying your vehicles just get a team together.

I’m a fairly casual player, and very selective about the maps I’m willing to play. Though I have a good internet connection here (20/5) many maps don’t play well, with guns not registering, enemies killing me with single shots (that I can see) and horrifying lag/slowdowns. Hard to keep teammates happy if I keep bailing on most maps. Today was a good example of connection fail. Heavies on Rag, I shot a Banshee with Scorpion rounds 4 times with no effect. Saw them hit on my screen, nothing.
See a Wraith shot hit the ground near me (at my base), after traveling over the high ground in the middle of the map (came from that direction), but he wasn’t visible, so likely behind the hill. About (literally) 4 seconds later, the Wraith is right in front of the base, in the water, shooting me. I’m no math wiz, but the distance he covered in those few seconds isn’t possible. I can’t explain that.

> I always boot if i get the option, regardless if it was accidentally betrayal or intended betrayal.

Feel free to find my gamertag and ask not to play me, ever. Thanks.

> I think it’s pretty fair to say that somebody should not be given the option to boot if he was killed by something that killed an enemy at the same time

Or how about if an enemy is within xx distance when it happens? Many times I’ll destroy some vehicle, and as it’s exploding a teammate walks up and dies with it, or I’m fighting a crowd with mixed mates and enemies and plasma someone, only to have him hug a teammate and they both die.

> I got the flag and had a teammate follow me to our flag pole I figured it was to escort me but no as soon as I approached the flag he betrayed me just to take the flag and score himself -.- players like that piss me off

Played a CTF on Rag one day, and had a teammate hanging out at our base, and three separate times as I brought the flag home he killed me and walked it in himself. With no enemies around, the first betrayal should have triggered a ban option. Surely the second one should have…but three and he wins with all flag “carries”? I don’t play flag games any more. Didn’t like them much to start, but that was enough.

Speaking of CTF and KOTH; why are so many voting rounds filled with only those in Heavies? Most of the time it’s 2/3 or even 3/3…sometimes three of the same map as well. A better mix would be appreciated.

> I was once killed by my team’s wraith from across the entire Ragnarok map. That was hilarious.

I’ve never been able to shoot it more than half the distance of Rag. Base to middle ground is about it. How do you cross the whole map with a shot?

> OH I SHOULD MENTION some of these betrayals are by accident. People press X to spawn faster, but that’s also the boot button!

When I’ve booted, I’d swear it was x, then you have to OK that decision. I don’t do it often, so I could be remembering it wrong?

I thought it was stupid when they took FF off and then I started playing without it. Now I don’t think there is a place in the game for friendly fire.

Take it out, the game is better without it.