Hi All,
I think alot of people have grasped this concept by now, but perhaps some haven’t. I’ve heard [source] Josh and Bravo say before that they are excited for all the content that will be continually delivered, as they are supporting Halo 5 as a Service software model as opposed to a finished Product.
The positives, as they mentioned, monthly updates.
The negatives, as have been mentioned here, are the introduction of microtransactions, and the possibility that content is witheld so that it can be released at a later time (no proof, but there has been much speculation that content was ready at launch but was purposefully held back to make the initial updates seem bigger).So, Halo 5 will continue to have REQs, microtransactions, and hopefully, free updates.
They’ve adopted this model and aren’t going to change it.However, let’s let them know if this is what we really want. Do you want Halo 6 to be complete upon release with (paid) DLC, or do you want Halo 6 to be a Service paid for by (voluntary) microtransactions? Discuss!!
Note: I’ve also started a poll for voting for H6 as a product or service model of software. Head over there to contribute to quantitative data as well!
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/90a6869bcf944c54a17102ac9e31da1a/topics/hard-truth-halo-5-is-a-service-so-reqs-to-stay/c7d827a8-aedc-482d-818b-e715cae8178a/posts
The minority that still plays this game needs to stop getting excited over this “free” content that should’ve been a part of the base game at launch. Because of this 343 is getting away with it and with REQs, which also need to go.
Look at Halo 3. It’s map packs were sides along with the main course. You had the fries, drink, etc after the burger, and they didn’t charge you X amount for extra BBQ sauce or more lettuce (no microtransactions). This isn’t a F2P MMO, and the gouging is why I don’t play F2P MMOs. They focus more on their pitiful cash shops than actual content. I’m afraid 343 will be going that same route if their 30k players keep burning their money on meaningless pixels and content that should’ve been available at launch.
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> The minority that still plays this game needs to stop getting excited over this “free” content that should’ve been a part of the base game at launch. Because of this 343 is getting away with it and with REQs, which also need to go.
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> Look at Halo 3. It’s map packs were sides along with the main course. You had the fries, drink, etc after the burger, and they didn’t charge you X amount for extra BBQ sauce or more lettuce (no microtransactions). This isn’t a F2P MMO, and the gouging is why I don’t play F2P MMOs. They focus more on their pitiful cash shops than actual content. I’m afraid 343 will be going that same route if their 30k players keep burning their money on meaningless pixels and content that should’ve been available at launch.
Exactly. I want halo 6 to be a finished product with TONS of content and NO microtransactions. Is that really too much to ask?
To be honest, It’d be different if Halo 5 were introducing never before seen features after launch. But that’s just it.
Their ‘new’ features are simply gamemodes from past Halo game that were cut and didn’t make launch. While it is admirable that they are technically releasing these for free instead of directly charging for them, it comes at the cost of the over bloated REQ system.
I hope Halo 6 ships with all the gamemodes we have now, PLUS infection and FFA Oddball. An offline Firefight would be fantastic as well instead of Spartan Ops V2 with a REQ system and online only. I don’t like the REQ system or Halo 5 that much, but as salty and pessimistic as I am, the REQ system could be worse.
Do I prefer ‘Games as a good?’ Yes. Can me not buying microtransaction alone stop them from becoming services? Nope.
The “hard truth” is that if Halo 5 is very profitable then we can expect Halo 6 to follow suit. Halo 5 has made a lot of money, so…
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> > The minority that still plays this game needs to stop getting excited over this “free” content that should’ve been a part of the base game at launch. Because of this 343 is getting away with it and with REQs, which also need to go.
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> > Look at Halo 3. It’s map packs were sides along with the main course. You had the fries, drink, etc after the burger, and they didn’t charge you X amount for extra BBQ sauce or more lettuce (no microtransactions). This isn’t a F2P MMO, and the gouging is why I don’t play F2P MMOs. They focus more on their pitiful cash shops than actual content. I’m afraid 343 will be going that same route if their 30k players keep burning their money on meaningless pixels and content that should’ve been available at launch.
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> Exactly. I want halo 6 to be a finished product with TONS of content and NO microtransactions. Is that really too much to ask?
What is so bad about the Halo 5 microtransaction system?
You have to pay for nothing, and get the DLC for free. If you want to unlock more stuff for Warzone or want customization options faster than you can buy packs. You can’t benefit in any way from it in ranked play at all. Its not like it gives you an advantage in Warzone, I don’t buy packs and have more items than I’ll ever need.
Are you saying you’d rather pay for DLC like older Halo’s and CoD? I’d much rather have the system Halo 5 does.
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> To be honest, It’d be different if Halo 5 were introducing never before seen features after launch. But that’s just it.
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> Their ‘new’ features are simply gamemodes from past Halo game that were cut and didn’t make launch. While it is admirable that they are technically releasing these for free instead of directly charging for them, it comes at the cost of the over bloated REQ system.
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> I hope Halo 6 ships with all the gamemodes we have now, PLUS infection and FFA Oddball. An offline Firefight would be fantastic as well instead of Spartan Ops V2 with a REQ system and online only. I don’t like the REQ system or Halo 5 that much, but as salty and pessimistic as I am, the REQ system could be worse.
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> Do I prefer ‘Games as a good?’ Yes. Can me not buying microtransaction alone stop them from becoming services? Nope.
Good points. Most of the free content is recycled game modes, classic weapons, and armor swts. Nothing actually significantly new…
you guys need to cut it with the tinfoil hat crap, its either we pay for content flat out and have a broken community or we have an optional micro transaction feature that is actually optional and doesn’t effect us in the slightest. Gears 4 is following suit and tons of people who actually play the game are happy with receiving free game maps rather than having to pay 10-15$ for new map packs. I feel as all of you people touting against micro-transactions never played previous titles on 360 where if you didn’t pay you couldn’t play because once the new maps came out people shifted and bought them making it harder for those who didn’t buy them to actually continue playing the game because of long queues and a smaller pool of people to play with. Its literally not as bad as you make it out to be it was alot worse back then.
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> > The minority that still plays this game needs to stop getting excited over this “free” content that should’ve been a part of the base game at launch. Because of this 343 is getting away with it and with REQs, which also need to go.
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> > Look at Halo 3. It’s map packs were sides along with the main course. You had the fries, drink, etc after the burger, and they didn’t charge you X amount for extra BBQ sauce or more lettuce (no microtransactions). This isn’t a F2P MMO, and the gouging is why I don’t play F2P MMOs. They focus more on their pitiful cash shops than actual content. I’m afraid 343 will be going that same route if their 30k players keep burning their money on meaningless pixels and content that should’ve been available at launch.
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> Exactly. I want halo 6 to be a finished product with TONS of content and NO microtransactions. Is that really too much to ask?
ha these days…yea …it is
I’m not a fan of any type of micro transactions. I know if I wanted to disable ads on my apps I could pay $1.99 instead of the free version. What’s really messed up is paying $60 bucks a year to turn on the Xbox and be blasted with ads on the home screen then put in a $60 game and play for 20 minutes until you can buy silver reqs or pay $2 and get it now. I think the whole gaming industry is going downhill with the releasing of half finished games only to charge you later with rest of it labeled as dlc.
Based on what I’ve seen posted around here a lot of people don’t like paying for the microtransactions and won’t. I myself have spent a bit of money which in the sense you put it hell I would prefer paid for DLC rather than “free updates” so that way everyone HAS to pay. Because after this I now see all those people who refuse to pay as a bunch of complaining freeloaders.
Something reminds me of this but I just can’t place it…
I probably don’t speak for the majority when I say this, and I’m sure 343/Microsoft has had plenty of people analyzing trends in gaming, but here goes…
I would GLADLY pay 20, 30, 40, even 50 bucks for legitimate DLC. 343 announces their version of Beast Mode? Sign me up and take my money. 343 announces bot matches? Here’s some money, 343. So on and so on…
I can’t get excited over this free stuff, since it should have been here at launch. But I hope Halo 6 uses the complete game model and gives us some good DLC that I have no qualms with paying for. Hell, I’d pay for 5 people on this forum’s DLC if they couldn’t afford it and it was good enough.
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> I probably don’t speak for the majority when I say this, and I’m sure 343/Microsoft has had plenty of people analyzing trends in gaming, but here goes…
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> I would GLADLY pay 20, 30, 40, even 50 bucks for legitimate DLC. 343 announces their version of Beast Mode? Sign me up and take my money. 343 announces bot matches? Here’s some money, 343. So on and so on…
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> I can’t get excited over this free stuff, since it should have been here at launch. But I hope Halo 6 uses the complete game model and gives us some good DLC that I have no qualms with paying for. Hell, I’d pay for 5 people on this forum’s DLC if they couldn’t afford it and it was good enough.
We were glad to pay for DLC in halo 3 or reach because we had a complete game at launch that pushed the envelope every time, now we were stripped of basic playlists like BTB at launch just to provide us with “free” content in the form of reqs and forge made maps. Yea Ill pay for a great product’s DLC.
I’m as middle-of-the-road as it gets with the updates. I do wish some of it was here from the start, but I’ll be -Yoink!- before I complain about getting it eventually.
I’m glad there are updates that are based on community desires, but I wish the community didn’t want things like Infection and a better Post Game Carnage, because we should have that stuff. At least it’s coming though.
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> I probably don’t speak for the majority when I say this, and I’m sure 343/Microsoft has had plenty of people analyzing trends in gaming, but here goes…
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> I would GLADLY pay 20, 30, 40, even 50 bucks for legitimate DLC. 343 announces their version of Beast Mode? Sign me up and take my money. 343 announces bot matches? Here’s some money, 343. So on and so on…
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> I can’t get excited over this free stuff, since it should have been here at launch. But I hope Halo 6 uses the complete game model and gives us some good DLC that I have no qualms with paying for. Hell, I’d pay for 5 people on this forum’s DLC if they couldn’t afford it and it was good enough.
I can afford it, but will you still buy mine? 
And really, I like the idea of free DLC to not splinter the community. But it’s not free DLC. It’s witheld content with a new map every once in a while. That’s the issues.
If we were getting 2-3 maps per month along with a legitimately new gamemode every few months, that would be a lot more tolerable.