Halo has to evolve, a graphically updated version of Halo 3 wouldn’t hold up to prior standard. If you go back and play it now I am sure it is still the same game that you enjoyed, but it feels unrefined and clunky. As much as I would like for Halo 4 to play as well (and have the same feel as Halo 3) I know that Halo 4 is a step in the right direction even if it missed a few along the way. Allow it time to be fixed and then we will see what it is like. I think we should all hold off on the stupid and pointless Halo 4 rants (for or against) until after the TU.
Every time Halo “evolves”, the multiplayer population drops a bit more.
There is no fix for a game that was designed on purpose to completely violate or remove the tenants of old Halo.
people hate change.
> people hate change.
When it doesn’t work.
Change is only good, when it works.
> Halo has to evolve, a graphically updated version of Halo 3 wouldn’t hold up to prior standard. If you go back and play it now I am sure it is still the same game that you enjoyed, but it feels unrefined and clunky. As much as I would like for Halo 4 to play as well (and have the same feel as Halo 3) I know that Halo 4 is a step in the right direction even if it missed a few along the way. Allow it time to be fixed and then we will see what it is like. I think we should all hold off on the stupid and pointless Halo 4 rants (for or against) until after the TU.
How would you know a graphically (beautiful btw) update version of Halo 3 wouldn’t have worked? This game just comes off as a cheap gimmick, fusing the latest shooter elements with Halo, originally an arena shooter. Dropping a bunch of playlists and gametypes established from the previous installments, messing up playlists and gametypes from previous installments. Developers thinking accessibility to more people means dumbing the game down and making it easier.
There is a reason I played Halo, for skillful, arena gameplay. I don’t get that anymore, therefore there is no reason to play Halo. Still good story though.
I beg to differ
Change is good if it is done right. The changes of both Reach and Halo 4 brought a lot of randomness to the game. I enjoy playing Halo 4 but the randomness even frustrates me at times.
Agree 100% with You People need to give more time in Halo 4 so 343i can Polish it :). I Love Halo 1-3, ODST, Reach and Halo 4 and I Feel its going the way it needs to. Bungie and 343 Industries have done an Epic Job !.
> Every time Halo “evolves”, the multiplayer population drops a bit more.
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> There is no fix for a game that was designed on purpose to completely violate or remove the tenants of old Halo.
Look at it like Pokèmon evolutions:
The starter looks awesome, the next evolution sucks, the final one is boss. This doesn’t apply to Charmeleon, Combusken, and Grovyle, who IMO break the rule. Even though this doesn’t apply to Halo, it was the only metaphor I could think of.
The original trilogy is awesome, Halo: Reach, ODST(got a ton of sales because of Halo on it, access to Halo Reach Beta, and Halo 3 multiplayer with all DLC), and Halo 4 aren’t good in terms of traditional Halo, and I predict Halo 5 and 6 will be boss. Come back to this thread and correct me if I’m wrong in the future.
> > Every time Halo “evolves”, the multiplayer population drops a bit more.
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> > There is no fix for a game that was designed on purpose to completely violate or remove the tenants of old Halo.
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> Look at it like Pokèmon evolutions:
> The starter looks awesome, the next evolution sucks, the final one is boss. This doesn’t apply to Charmeleon, Combusken, and Grovyle, who IMO break the rule. Even though this doesn’t apply to Halo, it was the only metaphor I could think of.
> The original trilogy is awesome, Halo: Reach, ODST(got a ton of sales because of Halo on it, access to Halo Reach Beta, and Halo 3 multiplayer with all DLC), and Halo 4 aren’t good in terms of traditional Halo, and I predict Halo 5 and 6 will be boss. Come back to this thread and correct me if I’m wrong in the future.
I don’t understand the logic in acknowledging that Halo 4 deviates from traditional Halo while thinking that later games will be good. ODST was okay, but it had a bunch of problems. Reach was flat-out bad. Since all that came from a tried and true developer, the future of the series under 343 seems a lot more alarming.
> Every time Halo “evolves”, the multiplayer population drops a bit more…
Have you ever stopped to think that the two could be independent ? Halo could be as good as it ever was or completely -Yoink- but the online population might still depreciate according to how well the format is able to hold peoples’ interests.
Look at the rest of the genre. What other multiplayer sci-fi FPS is doing well on the consoles?
343 is really in a head lock. How can they change or add anything that won’t have them over the fires by the community? To be honest it doesn’t matter anymore not with Destiny and appeal it will have with Reach players, especially with the bonus of a clean break from the Halo community that has berated them from the start for even liking AAs.
343 should just now cater to Halo 3’s nostalgia and simply become museum caretakers, while providing players a clear choice between a class based adventure or a tried and true Arena styled game they are familiar with.
So… now it’s just a matter of time and waiting till the alternative ships and 343 caters to the call for Halo 3.5. Then a clean break and all is well.
> > Every time Halo “evolves”, the multiplayer population drops a bit more…
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> Have you ever stopped to think that the two could be independent ? Halo could be as good as it ever was or completely Yoink! but the online population might still depreciate according to how well the format is able to hold peoples’ interests.
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> Look at the rest of the genre. What other multiplayer sci-fi FPS is doing well on the consoles?
They’re not independent. The Xbox 360 install base is larger than it was prior to Halo 3. I imagine that the majority of people who played throughout Halo 3’s life are still active gamers on XBL. If Halo stuck to its guns instead of trying to “evolve”, there’s a good chance that the multiplayer population wouldn’t fall below 100K only three months after launch.
Has Halo been overdone on the Xbox 360? I would argue so, but that shouldn’t impact the population. Just look at CoD. It stays true to the same stuff each time and continues to dominate the leaderboards.
The rest of the genre is irrelevant. We’re talking about Halo.
> Halo has to evolve, <mark>a graphically updated version of Halo 3 wouldn’t hold up to prior standard.</mark> If you go back and play it now I am sure it is still the same game that you enjoyed, but it feels unrefined and clunky. As much as I would like for Halo 4 to play as well (and have the same feel as Halo 3) I know that Halo 4 is a step in the right direction even if it missed a few along the way. Allow it time to be fixed and then we will see what it is like. I think we should all hold off on the stupid and pointless Halo 4 rants (for or against) until after the TU.
Stop assuming that everyone who doesn’t like Halo 4 or doesn’t like certain things about Halo 4 or hell even likes certain things from Halo 3 more than things in Halo 4 want a Halo 3 copy. Please, it gets very annoying.
> > Halo has to evolve, <mark>a graphically updated version of Halo 3 wouldn’t hold up to prior standard.</mark> If you go back and play it now I am sure it is still the same game that you enjoyed, but it feels unrefined and clunky. As much as I would like for Halo 4 to play as well (and have the same feel as Halo 3) I know that Halo 4 is a step in the right direction even if it missed a few along the way. Allow it time to be fixed and then we will see what it is like. I think we should all hold off on the stupid and pointless Halo 4 rants (for or against) until after the TU.
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> Stop assuming that everyone who doesn’t like Halo 4 or doesn’t like certain things about Halo 4 or hell even likes certain things from Halo 3 more than things in Halo 4 want a Halo 3 copy. Please, it gets very annoying.
Well then explain, in detail, what advancements you would like to have seen from Halo 3. Only suggestions I hear are things that have already been in the game which, is why people say you just want a Halo 2/3 clone.
> > people hate change.
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> When it doesn’t work.
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> Change is only good, when it works.
COD is changing things and they are selling more and more games every year. I think it’s because they are staying true to the COD formula and Halo is trying to be something else than it used to be.
A lot of game breaking things could have been fixed with a public beta but let’s be honest, would you have bought Halo 4 if you knew the game would be like it is in it’s current state?
If people don’t like the beta it could affect sales so that’s why more publishers don’t have betas/demos.
Halo 4 has taken all the fundamental aspects of halo matchmaking and thrown them out the window. It has implemented so many changes all at once that it instead of building on its predecessors it has become something entirely different and no longer resembles the Halo’s that came before it.
We shouldn’t hold off on the rants until after the TU because if we hadn’t complained in the first place then there wouldn’t be a TU to speak off.
I will admit however that it would be more helpful if a lot of the rants posted here were a little more constructive…
When they change things, they need to change it to evovle for both new and old fans… that is the only thing 343I failed at… they really did not do that bad.
I myself am an older fan, I can get used to some of the loadouts, but not to the ordinance… but for some of their die hard Halo fans they have gained from Bungie, they should have included a classic playlist, but they didn’t… simple mistake, maybe they will learn from this, but all in all its not as bad as it looks.
I was initially disappointed by Halo 4’s War Games but I enjoyed the Campaign and Spartan Ops keeps getting better. I know that 343i wanted to be extremely innovative with new ideas and a completely new take on the game, but in doing so they lost Halo along the way. I see now that they are trying to fix and bring back what they lost with some new ideas added into the mix. I am not going to drop such an immersive story and all of the time (no matter how minimal it may be compared to some) just because 343i didn’t get it correct the first time. I think it would a waste to just “throw in the towel” before the real fight and game start.
> Halo 4 has taken all the fundamental aspects of halo matchmaking and thrown them out the window. It has implemented so many changes all at once that it instead of building on its predecessors it has become something entirely different and no longer resembles the Halo’s that came before it.
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> We shouldn’t hold off on the rants until after the TU because if we hadn’t complained in the first place then there wouldn’t be a TU to speak off.
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> I will admit however that it would be more helpful if a lot of the rants posted here were a little more constructive…
What I meant by hold off is that now that there is one stop until it is out. I know the value of what was said prior to the announcement of the TU but now it is just annoying.