Alright, it got me thinking. They can ‘flash clone’ organs, entire humans (albeit flawed), but they can’t clone limbs?..
Take Captain Ponder. He lost his arm and needed a mechanical prosthetic, during that time they were able to flash clone all the spartan children and flash clone organs, so why not arms and legs?
I don’t know what killed the flash cloned humans, I figured their nervous system would degrade; brain and spinal cord would be extremely complex to effectively clone I would think.
But for arms I think it would be easy peasy with their tech, muscular cloning should not be a problem, bone might be but they would most likely be able to replace bone with something else if it was and the nerves should not be a problem considering we are capable of artificially growing nerves for people in real life as it is.
Well as we saw with the kids, it was imperfect. Livers and lungs are simpler than entire bones, nerves and such. Besides, they have robot arms.
I know, I mentioned that they had mechanized prosthetics, but they were shone to cause discomfort, and any organs would have nerves anyway, so nerves shouldn’t be much of a problem if they’re not too complex, which brought me to the issue with the question, what’s stopping them from being able to clone an arm, foot or leg?
You have your sensory neurons which I do believe we have been able to artificially grow in labs, and then you have the main pathways or whatever. And even then, if they can’t effectively clone the nerves then that would be the problem, but organs work fine and everything. They could use stem cells to grow nerve tissue for the whole arm if that was the problem, and if bones are what trumps the limb cloning process… I am not buying it.
> Alright, it got me thinking. They can ‘flash clone’ organs, entire humans (albeit flawed), but they can’t clone limbs?..
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> Take Captain Ponder. He lost his arm and needed a mechanical prosthetic, during that time they were able to flash clone all the spartan children and flash clone organs, so why not <mark>arms and legs</mark>?
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> I don’t know what killed the flash cloned humans, I figured their nervous system would degrade; brain and spinal cord would be extremely complex to effectively clone I would think.
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> But for arms I think it would be easy peasy with their tech, muscular cloning should not be a problem, bone might be but they would most likely be able to replace bone with something else if it was and the nerves should not be a problem considering we are capable of artificially growing nerves for people in real life as it is.
Because arms and legs are made up of bone, muscle tissue, cartalidge, nerves and skin.
All these go in to making an entire body, which they have trouble with.
My guess is that cloning a single organ is simple.
Cloning multiple organs, and then getting them to work together correctly is a whole other ball game.
Also, if your body rejects the organ, you just clone another organ, simple.
If your body rejects the arm, you have to clone all the individual parts again, make them work together, and then try again. A lot more work, when you can have a super robot arm.
> > Alright, it got me thinking. They can ‘flash clone’ organs, entire humans (albeit flawed), but they can’t clone limbs?..
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> > Take Captain Ponder. He lost his arm and needed a mechanical prosthetic, during that time they were able to flash clone all the spartan children and flash clone organs, so why not <mark>arms and legs</mark>?
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> > I don’t know what killed the flash cloned humans, I figured their nervous system would degrade; brain and spinal cord would be extremely complex to effectively clone I would think.
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> > But for arms I think it would be easy peasy with their tech, muscular cloning should not be a problem, bone might be but they would most likely be able to replace bone with something else if it was and the nerves should not be a problem considering we are capable of artificially growing nerves for people in real life as it is.
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> Because arms and legs are made up of bone, muscle tissue, cartalidge, nerves and skin.
As I said, they were able to clone entire human bodies. But that process was flawed.
But what I am talking about is on a smaller scale and more basic.
> > > Alright, it got me thinking. They can ‘flash clone’ organs, entire humans (albeit flawed), but they can’t clone limbs?..
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> > > Take Captain Ponder. He lost his arm and needed a mechanical prosthetic, during that time they were able to flash clone all the spartan children and flash clone organs, so why not <mark>arms and legs</mark>?
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> > > I don’t know what killed the flash cloned humans, I figured their nervous system would degrade; brain and spinal cord would be extremely complex to effectively clone I would think.
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> > > But for arms I think it would be easy peasy with their tech, muscular cloning should not be a problem, bone might be but they would most likely be able to replace bone with something else if it was and the nerves should not be a problem considering we are capable of artificially growing nerves for people in real life as it is.
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> > Because arms and legs are made up of bone, muscle tissue, cartalidge, nerves and skin.
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> As I said, they were able to clone entire human bodies. But that process was flawed.
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> But what I am talking about is on a smaller scale and more basic.
I added more, its just as complicated.
There should be probably about a 99% chance of no rejections, it uses the host’s DNA for the cloning, meaning it is technically your organ/appendage.
And as I said, that “super robot arm” isn’t all that is cracked up to be. I mean it would be awesome to have something similar to the automail in Full Metal Alchemist, but the trade off is no sensory feeling, severe reactions to hot and cold environments and any other number of discomforts one could feel.
Captain Ponder normally didn’t wear his prosthetic if he didn’t need it.
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I saw after I posted the reply, I’m sorry. I will come back to this in the morning though, I’m way too tired at this moment. But you are right, it’s more complicated than a heart or lung, but if they don’t have to clone the entire human, just the appendage, it should be possible.
I’d say its possible, but its most likely because to clone that whole arm or leg you would need the original in some form perhaps in example you cant replace a right arm with the replica of the left arm, even though we can do similar things today there still seems to be issues getting everything to work correctly.
We however generally also need tissue and such from another part of the body to use to recreate and develop the replacement, because its meant to not be rejected as a donor’s body part can be, and even then it is not perfect.
It just seems prosthetic replacements are much more simple, and easier for the body to accept, similiar to your example of Edward using a automail replacement for several parts of his body. Its also similiar to what happened to Kat from Reach, and another Spartan from the Fall of Reach novel.
I just feel even that far into the future, losing a limb would be a drastic lose for a individual and a hard thing to replicate without a serious increase and advancement in technology, perhaps the Forerunners have the ability to replace lost limbs and such with more ease?
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed somewhere that they can clone limbs (Didn’t James-005 get his arm cloned and re-attached after Sigma octanus IV? He participated in Reach and there’s no mention of a prosthetic). Ponder was probably given a prosthetic instead due to demotion and resistance of the pressure to retire.
> I’d say its possible, but its most likely because to clone that whole arm or leg you would need the original in some form perhaps in example you cant replace a right arm with the replica of the left arm, even though we can do similar things today there still seems to be issues getting everything to work correctly.
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> We however generally also need tissue and such from another part of the body to use to recreate and develop the replacement, because its meant to not be rejected as a donor’s body part can be, and even then it is not perfect.
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> It just seems prosthetic replacements are much more simple, and easier for the body to accept, similiar to your example of Edward using a automail replacement for several parts of his body. Its also similiar to what happened to Kat from Reach, and another Spartan from the Fall of Reach novel.
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> I just feel even that far into the future, losing a limb would be a drastic lose for a individual and a hard thing to replicate without a serious increase and advancement in technology, perhaps the Forerunners have the ability to replace lost limbs and such with more ease?
I’d say Forerunners would be able to replace limbs, for existing for such a long period of time and having such long lives, and able to manipulate genes making what I assume Gease are is something like genetic memory.
Kind of how we act today which were survival skills we learned and exhibited as we evolved.
That said, I don’t think it’s beyond our reach, especially now that we have the Huragok. But even then, I still believe it’s not beyond their capabilities. I know if it were possible, it would have to be introduced to cannon as either “expensive” or “experimental”.
But I mainly think the authors excluded the ability to clone limbs to give some characters more character like Ponder from Contact Harvest.
> I saw after I posted the reply, I’m sorry. I will come back to this in the morning though, I’m way too tired at this moment. But you are right, it’s more complicated than a heart or lung, but if they don’t have to clone the entire human, just the appendage, it should be possible.
They can (safely) flash clone individual organs but not whole humans. Why, what’s different? Obviously something is.
Organs growth is a very discrete process with a definite start and end, birth to maturity is just a matter of size. The rest of your body, the bones and skin and blood vessels and nerve endings are meant to fill in over time as you grow. The arrangement of these things are very different in newborns and adults. Maybe this process is difficult to speed up compared to single organs.