Halo WITHOUT battle royal is better than with.

Seen a lot lately talking about battle royale modes coming to halo, saying the game will flop without it.

No it will not.

If you think this, you should go back to fortnite or war zone, Halo is good without copying others, and plus Battle Royale modes are terrible trash cluttering up the gaming world.

It won’t succeed or flop on a battle royale.

Personally I think it would be best as tools built into forge so that the community can customise the Hell out of it.

It’s not my cup of tea… but there is no doubt there is a market out there for such.

But in regards to ‘copying’ others - meh. FPS shooters have been out for 20+ years. There is not a lot truly original left to do. I’m more than happy for Halo to take other game’s ideas and improve them Halo style.

Halo doesn’t have a very good track record when it comes to copying other trends in the industry.
Halo is at its best when they innovate and come up with new ideas for the franchise.

But by all means, as Darwi said, implement the tools for players to create their own fictional Battle Royal within the game, and everybody wins.

Players were able to create a Battle Royale mode of sorts in Halo 5 forge and to be honest I think I’d prefer Infinite was the same - it means 343 aren’t spending too much time and resources on a separate BR mode and continuing to update/tweak it, but provide the tools in Forge to allow the players to create their own BR.

Said this before…it doesn’t need it. 343i can be creative and original without catering to the awful game mode. As for people defending the mode they can just make it in forge instead of wasting development time on it. Plus as Astrogenesis just said “Halo doesn’t have a very good track record when it comes to copying other trends in the industry.” which is true so 343i need to stick to Halo’s roots instead of trying to copy other games.

I just don’t get what happened to creative hopes from gamers. Where is the imagination in just wanting another battle royal? Personally, I don’t have anything against BRs as a whole. I do have fun playing them with my friends but I don’t want Infinite to just be CoD Warzone with a Halo skin.

I’d much prefer an amped up version of BTB/Invasion/Warzone for Infinite with a player count closer to that of a BR. There was a rumored UNSC vs Banished mode that would have been 45 against 45. I think it’s been debunked now, but I’d so much rather see Infinite try something like that over just having a BR because it’s the thing to do right now.

A BR probably would be good for player count, there’s no arguing that with today’s trends. But, creating a new game mode on a similar player scale that was uniquely Halo could be far better.

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> I just don’t get what happened to creative hopes from gamers. Where is the imagination in just wanting another battle royal? Personally, I don’t have anything against BRs as a whole. I do have fun playing them with my friends but I don’t want Infinite to just be CoD Warzone with a Halo skin.
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> I’d much prefer an amped up version of BTB/Invasion/Warzone for Infinite with a player count closer to that of a BR. There was a rumored UNSC vs Banished mode that would have been 45 against 45. I think it’s been debunked now, but I’d so much rather see Infinite try something like that over just having a BR because it’s the thing to do right now.
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> A BR probably would be good for player count, there’s no arguing that with today’s trends. But, creating a new game mode on a similar player scale that was uniquely Halo could be far better.

Sadly this is down to some studio’s that are only interested in a ‘quick’ buck so they add modes like this to see if they can make more money with less effort and I see it too often in mobile games too where games are used to monetize them as much as possible. Despite the predatory system of many modern games a lot of designers are also gamers too that are sick of these type of systems. Plus some gamers just want games that are free to play to avoid paying anything so it feels like that’s part of why there so popular.

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> > I just don’t get what happened to creative hopes from gamers. Where is the imagination in just wanting another battle royal? Personally, I don’t have anything against BRs as a whole. I do have fun playing them with my friends but I don’t want Infinite to just be CoD Warzone with a Halo skin.
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> > I’d much prefer an amped up version of BTB/Invasion/Warzone for Infinite with a player count closer to that of a BR. There was a rumored UNSC vs Banished mode that would have been 45 against 45. I think it’s been debunked now, but I’d so much rather see Infinite try something like that over just having a BR because it’s the thing to do right now.
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> > A BR probably would be good for player count, there’s no arguing that with today’s trends. But, creating a new game mode on a similar player scale that was uniquely Halo could be far better.
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> Sadly this is down to some studio’s that are only interested in a ‘quick’ buck so they add modes like this to see if they can make more money with less effort and I see it too often in mobile games too where games are used to monetize them as much as possible. Despite the predatory system of many modern games a lot of designers are also gamers too that are sick of these type of systems. Plus some gamers just want games that are free to play to avoid paying anything so it feels like that’s part of why there so popular.

I get that. I understand perfectly why more studios are deciding to put out BRs. It’s the hot thing right now and they’re trying to cash in on it.

What I don’t get is how so many gamers think that screaming “the game needs a BR!” is in anyway productive or insightful. Does anyone honestly believe 343 haven’t had some serious talks about an Infinite BR? Of course they have. I genuinely believe some people on forums think 343 will see a post like that and just go “Wow! How have we not considered a Battle Royal yet?”

It just all feels like such a waste of time to debate. Doesn’t seem like anyone is interested in what new features or modes Infinite could bring to gaming as a whole, just how well it can recreate what everyone else is already playing. Call me naive and optimistic, but I’d much rather Infinite break ground with a new mode than just blend into the noise with other BRs.

While I personally do not mind Halo having a BR, a strong narrative story as well as base multiplayer mechanic always comes first. If they can manage to get the absolute best of both story and multiplayer core gameplay, then I’m fine with BR. Everybody wins at that point.

i am fine with no battle royale, i even support it not being in the game, but there should be an option to make it in forge for the people who DO want it

I do not think Halo needs a BR, but I do agree with some of the other ideas that are out there. I am in full support of implementing the resources for players to create their own BR, into forge.

I agree the sentiment that it’ll fail if it won’t have a BR is just false. It’ll fail if it sucks, not if it’s missing a mode that’s never been in Halo since the beginning. Courage is just being dramatic and really wants a BR I think lol

With that said though I do disagree with your title. I personally do want a Halo BR even if I think it’ll be fine without one. It doesn’t have to be at launch, but I would like one somewhere down the line. If it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal to me, just think Halo’s gameplay and world would make such a cool BR.

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> > > I just don’t get what happened to creative hopes from gamers. Where is the imagination in just wanting another battle royal? Personally, I don’t have anything against BRs as a whole. I do have fun playing them with my friends but I don’t want Infinite to just be CoD Warzone with a Halo skin.
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> > > I’d much prefer an amped up version of BTB/Invasion/Warzone for Infinite with a player count closer to that of a BR. There was a rumored UNSC vs Banished mode that would have been 45 against 45. I think it’s been debunked now, but I’d so much rather see Infinite try something like that over just having a BR because it’s the thing to do right now.
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> > > A BR probably would be good for player count, there’s no arguing that with today’s trends. But, creating a new game mode on a similar player scale that was uniquely Halo could be far better.
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> > Sadly this is down to some studio’s that are only interested in a ‘quick’ buck so they add modes like this to see if they can make more money with less effort and I see it too often in mobile games too where games are used to monetize them as much as possible. Despite the predatory system of many modern games a lot of designers are also gamers too that are sick of these type of systems. Plus some gamers just want games that are free to play to avoid paying anything so it feels like that’s part of why there so popular.
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> I get that. I understand perfectly why more studios are deciding to put out BRs. It’s the hot thing right now and they’re trying to cash in on it.
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> What I don’t get is how so many gamers think that screaming “the game needs a BR!” is in anyway productive or insightful. Does anyone honestly believe 343 haven’t had some serious talks about an Infinite BR? Of course they have. I genuinely believe some people on forums think 343 will see a post like that and just go “Wow! How have we not considered a Battle Royal yet?”
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> It just all feels like such a waste of time to debate. Doesn’t seem like anyone is interested in what new features or modes Infinite could bring to gaming as a whole, just how well it can recreate what everyone else is already playing. Call me naive and optimistic, but I’d much rather Infinite break ground with a new mode than just blend into the noise with other BRs.

UNSC vs Banished would pretty much do that.

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> I agree the sentiment that it’ll fail if it won’t have a BR is just false. It’ll fail if it sucks, not if it’s missing a mode that’s never been in Halo since the beginning. Courage is just being dramatic and really wants a BR I think lol
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> With that said though I do disagree with your title. I personally do want a Halo BR even if I think it’ll be fine without one. It doesn’t have to be at launch, but I would like one somewhere down the line. If it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal to me, just think Halo’s gameplay and world would make such a cool BR.

I do agree with you on that, I think if there’s a game that could pull of a battle royale, it’s Halo, but I don’t think it’s needed, and Halo will not fail because it didn’t include it.

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> I agree the sentiment that it’ll fail if it won’t have a BR is just false. It’ll fail if it sucks, not if it’s missing a mode that’s never been in Halo since the beginning. Courage is just being dramatic and really wants a BR I think lol
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> With that said though I do disagree with your title. I personally do want a Halo BR even if I think it’ll be fine without one. It doesn’t have to be at launch, but I would like one somewhere down the line. If it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal to me, just think Halo’s gameplay and world would make such a cool BR.

I get where you’re coming from entirely and you’re precisely the good type of pro-BR player on this issue. Thank you for not sinking to hyperbole.

I totally understand the pro-BR arguments:

  • Might bring in new/act as a hook to return lapsed players to the franchise - Every new AAA BR at the moment adds something to the mix and forces the competition to up their game - hence Halo could provide welcome market innovation even just by having one - It can be a fun mode - It’s huge with streamers and streamers bring players - Every other game seemingly has one - why not Halo?Likewise, there are some excellent anti-BR arguments:
  • Huge additional development implications for just one mode - if not successful = wasted effort and detracts from any successes elsewhere - Every other game seemingly has one - why does Halo need one? - It can be a very repetitive mode - The market is saturated - even a good Halo BR might not break through enough to be worth its development costs - Infinite will be the first new Halo FPS ever to launch simultaneously on console and PC - that’s already going to bring in a huge amount of players - Halo hasn’t needed a BR - or even equivalent mode - to be successful previously. - Halo’s MP is already going to be Free to Play for the first time ever and infinite as a whole is available on Game Pass - those alone should act as huge player draws.At the end of the day: I highly doubt anything said on these forums is going to change what will ultimately come down to a business decision at 343 and was likely made years ago. If Infinite doesn’t have a BR and struggles for player numbers then perhaps the Pro-BR community were right. If Infinite is wildly successful without a BR then the anti-BR community may perhaps have been right. If 343 shock us all and launch one as a ‘surprise’ mode then we’ll all at least give it a fair shake.

All of us on this site are Halo fans and we can all agree that we want Infinite to be successful, we’ll all likely support it and act as evangelists within the wider gaming community. I respect the Pro-BR lobby for putting the case that they think Infinite could and would be more successful with a BR mode, but speculating on potential business performance at this stage is I think just wild speculation.

From a product perspective: I don’t see a BR as a ‘core’ mode required for any AAA game at the moment. I see it as desirable at most.

Keep battle royale to fortnite. Halo does not need to become the next babysitter.
I do not mind if people wanna custom game it, that is what custom games are for. make it yourself in forge, make the custom game mode, done, you gotta your crud of a gamemode, battle royale. Dont spread the disease to Halo. let halo be Halo, that is what made me love the series
CoD was COD, Halo was HALO, Doom was DOOM, they were all FPS games, but Halo was always unique.
Halo was always special, they did their own thing, CoD keeps repeating itself, and then copying others now, and a lot of other games are basically cod, but I have not found a Halo copy, so, Keep halo as Halo. Make Halo Great Again, after the Halo 5 Flop.

Dear Devs, Don’t. Just Don’t. Leave it to Forge and Custom Games. PLEASE. DONT make me HATE another Halo.
Battle Royale will not Make or Break the game, and Battle Royale will die eventually. It all does.

Please no battle royal. How would halo stand out form their competitors? They should put all battle royals games to shame with their game. My opinion.

Fortnite had master chief. If halo wants a battle royal just let Fortnite have the rights to use halo characters and then halo can have more time make “halo games” if they want a halo battle royal then they should just make a halo called “halo battle royal”. I don’t even like battle royal just everything halo so I would try that. Just make infinite open world no closing circles please, unless it’s some custom game or game type that isn’t the main game mode…

I mean anything that’s added without taking away from whats expected is a better value…keywords being “adding without taking away”. I still think if the tools can be implemented in Forge (similar to the H5 version someone made), leave it to the player base to create one. If a few years down the line 343i wants to take a stab at it then by all means go for it. I’d just rather have this game ironed out, no problems-overall before diverging attention to something else.

Let’s try keeping this topic contained to existing threads.