Halo Waypoint Milestone Issue

Bottom line: Reporting problem with Career Milestone

Platforms: Halo Waypoint, Xbox One

Description: I’ve noticed that the Xbox One Spartan Assault achievements are not factoring into the overall progress of the Halo Waypoint Career Milestone tracker. Not a huge deal-breaker since the Extra Credit Achievement is still bugged anyway, but is 343i ever planning on factoring these into our Career? I find it hard to imagine that the Spartan Assault achievements on Windows 8, Windows 8 Phone, and Xbox 360 will separately be factored into our careers; however the Xbox One achievements are left out. I wonder if this is eluding to some unforeseen problems behind the scenes and if this will be a bigger issue when Halo Next releases?

Anticipated result: Please correct this issue with the Career Milestone. (Also, as I’ve been requesting politely for several years, 343i will you please add the 41 achievements from Halo 2 PC into the Halo career as well?? Thanks.)

tl;dr: XB1 achievements are coming to Waypoint, Halo 2 achievements are not

There is no “problem” with the Waypoint career page. The Waypoint app cannot see your XB1 achievements because they are not listed on xbox.com which is likely where they see all of your other achievements. If you haven’t noticed, you can’t see any of your XB1 achievements or challenges or anything on xbox.com, so neither can Waypoint. The only place you can is on the XB1 (which doesn’t have a Waypoint app) and Smartglass. So until xbox.com displays them, you’re stuck waiting.

“But Waypoint can see my achievement profile on the 360”, you say? This doesn’t matter because you can’t see your XB1 achievements on the 360, so neither can Waypoint.

“But they can see my XB1 achievements on the XB1 and they can see my 360 achievements from xbox.com”, you say? This could potentially work for an XB1 Waypoint app, but it’s not like they can just copy and paste the app from the 360 - it would take time to develop. The mass amount of Halo 4 content on the 360 Waypoint app is irrelevent on the XB1 because Halo 4 is a 360 game. So if they were to release an XB1 Waypoint app anytime soon it would probably only contain your achievement list and some art. No media, no glyphs.

I wouldn’t expect 343i to release an XB1 Waypoint app on the same day that you can actually see your XB1 achievements on xbox.com either. I bet they won’t release an XB1 app until they at least start marketing Halo for Xbox One, so that they can include relevant content like trailers and production videos/interviews.

And Halo 2 achievements will probably never be included on Waypoint. It wouldn’t be fair to include them now when the Halo 2 servers are going down in July (if they haven’t already). Think about it - 5 years ago you could log in to Waypoint and see some unlockables for your achievements. Halo completionists would have gone out and purchased those games so they could have 100% of the unlocks. Why would they have gone and bought Halo 2 for the PC when they already had it for Xbox and it wasn’t even listed on Waypoint? And if it was listed on Waypoint, people would have been really upset if they had to go buy another copy of the same game on a worse platform just to get some achievements.

I understand that this is what they are doing present day with Spartan Assault, releasing 4 unsynced versions of the same game across 4 different platforms. But all 4 of these platforms are sold by Microsoft so it was likely their idea in order to encourage more people to switch to Windows in the intense tablet/phone/laptop market we have today.

So Halo 2 achievements will never be included in Waypoint because it would upset a lot more people then it would please. Think of how many records that would forever tarnish. People with otherwise perfect records would also be discouraged to buy new Halo games and play them for months in order to maintain their perfect record.

People who do not have the Halo 2 for Windows Vista achievements do not have a “perfect record” regarding Halo achievements anyway. That they are not displayed in Halo Waypoint Milestones does not mean that they do not exist.

One could doubt if the Halo 2 for Windows Vista achievements are true Halo achievements by their nature if they would not be shown on XBOX LIVE in the very same achievement list that displays all other Halo achievements. However, the Halo 2 for Windows Vista achievements are displayed on XBOX LIVE in that aforementioned way, so no doubt remains about them being on par with all the other Halo achievements.

Also, of course it is a “problem” of the Waypoint page, if it can not display the XBOX ONE achievements, no matter which underlying cause is the root of that failure, or if it is originally 343is or Microsofts fault.

Kyle, the initial part of your response was focused around facts and provided a different perspective in the Halo Waypoint Milestone problem… Yes, even through your generalized speculation the mere fact of the matter is that 343i has a problem that they do not have a fix for at this point in time. (which you did a pretty good job theorizing as to why the problem exists but offered no evidence to disprove that the problem exists; which I want to know if, how, and when it will be fixed) Although I appreciate your speculation, no offense, but I’d prefer an official response from 343i staff on this one bud.

As for the Halo 2 PC achievements, I’ve heard the arguments from naysayers (such as yourself), for many years; dating back to the release of Halo 2 PC. So let’s just sort a couple things out -

#1. You said it wouldn’t be fair to include them because the servers are going down in a couple months… The game has been out since 2007 so if the true halo completionist has neglected to complete this task, I say he or she has no perfect record to speak of… Also when Halo 2 went offline from Xbox live, years later fans were later rewarded with a special emblem in Halo Reach. (No one could get this emblem unless they had played Halo 2 in years past). The Halo franchise has given out many, “one day only” or “for a limited time only” rewards throughout the years; case in point: the blue flame helmet rewarded to Halo Reach players that got online for the very last Bungie Day, the year that 343i was handed the ropes to the Halo IP rights. The avatar hoodie for Halo Reach beta testers, another vintage item that has a much greater value to halo completionists because nobody can attain it any longer. If you want a more recent example, last month 343i gave out the Commando Helmet to gamers who were online and completed a game on 343i Day. A month before that gamers were rewarded with the Guilty Spark emblem for completing a match. So even though the clock’s ticking down, I say if you haven’t gotten these achievements for Halo 2 PC then you’d better hurry up and get them if anyone’s concerned with a true perfect record. Halo Waypoint is supposed to be the center for all things Halo- not just certain games that the bulk of the fan base cares more about.

#2. To answer your question about five years ago- well true halo completionists, such as myself and many of my friends, went out and bought halo 2 PC because the original halo 2 had no achievements. So in order to “complete” Halo 2, a true completionist would need to purchase Halo 2 PC on yes, omg, another platform!! And then actually complete the game like every other iteration in the halo franchise. Even the first halo has achievements via the anniversary edition but Halo 2 remains the only installment in the franchise with none because Halo 2 PC is not recognized… Hell Kyle, you should give it a whirl sometime - it’s truly rewarding and challenging to boot up Halo 2 PC (but make sure you purchase a gaming pad) and have at it - you might enjoy yourself.

#3. What’s that you say?? “Oh it’s not FAIR. Nobody should have to purchase the same game twice across multiple platforms to get the achievements,” HA!! Take a look at Spartan Assault!!! Completionists have to buy the exact same little arcade game FOUR times across four separate platforms in order to get the achievements on their Halo Milestone Career. The game was even initially marketed that way on the bulletin, “point whores can even purchase the game on both Windows 8 and Windows 8 PC to get all the achievements” I’m not complaining about that feat, I did it and it was satisfying knowing few completionists can trek down the same path. But the fact that 343i openly markets purchasing this same game multiple times across separate platforms completely negates the point you were trying to make about not having to buy halo 2 PC when players already had halo 2 for Xbox.

#4 So after a brief history lesson lets remember the poor reception that Halo 2 PC received back in 2007. That was the true reason that Halo 2 PC was kicked to the curb, considering the fact that it’s sales were really bad. Also just like XB1 today, Halo 2 PC achievements required a little extra work and effort to integrate into the career which wasn’t happening. The fact that Halo waypoint didn’t track these achievements originally correlates these issues not the fan base speculation that we’re Monday-morning quarterbacking at this point. The fact is the Halo franchise is a cash-cow; wherever money can be made that’s where effort is applied by the developers.

At this time Xbox One achievements are not displayed on Halo Waypoint by design.