I’m starting to get sick of the map selection in SWAT… it seems that without Uncaged and Pinnacle the only map getting picked is Asylum. On top of that, the fact that sometimes 2 out of 3 choices are SWAT magnums doesn’t really help.
First of all, It’s my opinion that SWAT magnums shouldn’t be in the playlist any more. There’s a few reasons for this, a couple being that: without a great connection the hit detection on a magnum is sort of bad, so in a playlist like SWAT, if you don’t get green bar, you’re pretty much screwed. Also, it’s just not an accurate weapon and sometimes it seems to promote bodyshot/melee which makes for really terrible gameplay in SWAT.
It’s my opinion, and that of a whole lot of people that I play with, that SWAT needs more community made maps. Maps like Pinnacle and Uncaged were pretty great in SWAT, they were a lot harder to spawn kill on than maps like Asylum and Countdown, and if you don’t believe me about that, it’s something I can definitely prove. I’m not entirely sure why they were taken out of the playlist. Also when/if new maps are chosen to be put into the playlist I think it would be a good idea to get the opinion of people who actively play SWAT for a majority of their games because they’re the people that know the playlist and know what maps work and don’t work.
So in summary I guess what I want is 2 out of 3 vote slots to only come up as regular SWAT 100% of the time, and for there to be some more maps made by the community, and chosen by the SWAT community. The halotracker trueskill leaderboard would be a great place to find plenty of people who play a lot of SWAT.
I Totally agree with Deadpool. SWAT is a competitive game-type that has a massive fan base and SWAT is the ONLY gametype that has NEVER had new maps added to it, They changed the cage to uncaged and that’s it.And still for 2 years players has stayed true to the game-type and now they have removed 2 maps from swat, It’s not like we had too many options to begin with and now we just lost 30% of our maps. EVERY OTHER playlist has more maps then swat WTF! It’s total Bull**** that 343 are doing this to one of halos greatest playlists.
Plus im sick of hearing how bad matchmaking host selection is these days, non stop raging because some players eat bullets galore and then gloat that they are skilled when it is clearly undeserved. I dont think ive played a single game in the last 2 months where players haven’t quit out, or the host change (black screen) hasn’t popped up less then 3 times during a match. FIX it 343!!! treat one of your most dedicated fan bases the respect for their loyalty they deserve.
BUMP BUMP BUMP
I don’t understand how … who are we with now? 343? How they looked at the forum noobs -Yoinking!- about being spawn killed on what are (with the last round of modifications bungie put in) quite a lot harder to spawn-kill on than asylum or countdown, and then DIDN’T look at the voting trends. How many more times would pinnacle or uncaged have been voted over the maps we’re left with now?
The fact that some ACTUAL players are creating accounts specifically to -Yoink- about this should also say something. I haven’t played in a couple of months, but I’m so incensed by just the NEWS of those maps being dropped and then SWAT being ignored in a general update, that I’m banging this out while in a classroom on teaching placement.
Nerfing the pinnacle spawns was stupid, but this… this is downright ridiculous.
Im with deadpool! I can’t believe that 2 of the most sorted after maps have been removed from a playlist that is loved by so many! I had faith in 343 that taken over such an empire like HALO they would bring some amazing added features to the game but instead have taken things away! The connections are worse than ever and the map selection is now beyond a joke! I love SWAT and I play with some of the best players in the world in that playlist and I have never heard so many negative things about halo untill 343 have taken over. It’s unfortunate that halo has turned in this direction as it was so amazing the way it was. As I say if it ain’t broke it doesn’t need fixing! Now 343 halo is broken and it needs fixing otherwise it’s fan base is going to die! What else would be nice
Is removing SWAT magnums from the votes as we already have a magnum as a secondary. If u want to use a magnum it’s on your hip pill it out and use it. More objective gametypes in swat would bring the community back aswell. Kind regards SleeK
Its so sad to see Swat as such a degraded playlist now. It such great fun to play back a year ago, against good players with a solid connection that didn’t change every minute. Trying to find a good connection game is sometimes a joke!
This has to be the only playlist on reach that hasn’t had maintenance done with new maps, instead taking away the only great maps in the limited collection that we had access to. And for me that’s the last nail in the coffin for the only game that I would play. And I agree completely with taking away the magnums, 343 have destroyed a great playlist…
I would play SWAT without sprint, it’s not really necessary in the playlist because it’s more of a twitch shooter, it would probably even help noobs not get caught with their gun down… as for bloom, I think it would at the very lease be nice to have it title updated.
> I’m starting to get sick of the map selection in SWAT… it seems that without Uncaged and Pinnacle the only map getting picked is Asylum. On top of that, the fact that sometimes 2 out of 3 choices are SWAT magnums doesn’t really help.
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> First of all, It’s my opinion that SWAT magnums shouldn’t be in the playlist any more. There’s a few reasons for this, a couple being that: without a great connection the hit detection on a magnum is sort of bad, so in a playlist like SWAT, if you don’t get green bar, you’re pretty much screwed. Also, it’s just not an accurate weapon and sometimes it seems to promote bodyshot/melee which makes for really terrible gameplay in SWAT.
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> It’s my opinion, and that of a whole lot of people that I play with, that SWAT needs more community made maps. Maps like Pinnacle and Uncaged were pretty great in SWAT, they were a lot harder to spawn kill on than maps like Asylum and Countdown, and if you don’t believe me about that, it’s something I can definitely prove. I’m not entirely sure why they were taken out of the playlist. Also when/if new maps are chosen to be put into the playlist I think it would be a good idea to get the opinion of people who actively play SWAT for a majority of their games because they’re the people that know the playlist and know what maps work and don’t work.
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> So in summary I guess what I want is 2 out of 3 vote slots to only come up as regular SWAT 100% of the time, and for there to be some more maps made by the community, and chosen by the SWAT community. The halotracker trueskill leaderboard would be a great place to find plenty of people who play a lot of SWAT.
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> - Deadpool
Agreed and take away magnum game types and just put it on the hip!
Honestly, in my own humble opinion, the only things that need changed about SWAT is the map selection and the server connections. Same with Snipers (Hemorrhage is getting REALLY old). SWAT and Snipers both need new maps. There are a couple of maps in the Slayer playlist that would be perfect for both playlists. Even a couple of the BTB maps would be good for both playlists.
I too am getting pretty sick of the same maps over and over again. The reason why they took out Pinnacle and Uncaged was because it was easier for one team to spawn trap the other team (which, I admit, I’m guilty of voting for them for just that reason), but why is Asylum still in SWAT? I can’t be the only one who’s noticed that Red team seems to have an easier time spawn trapping than blue team, can I?
SWAT is one of the largest playlists on Halo Reach population wise, and there are a ton of threads dedicated to how they need more maps and what-not, so why hasn’t it happened yet? If they can remove maps, then can’t they add them?
I don’t mind if Asylum stays in, or if they add Pinnacle and Uncaged back in the mix, but what I’d really like to see is two things.
Add more maps from Slayer and BTB into SWAT and Snipers.
Don’t put forge-world maps on the top of the voting list.
The reason for number two is because if a map IS better for one team than the other, then putting it at the top (where it’s autopicked even if the other team votes against it) is kind of bull.
I’m in full agreement with the OP. I’ve been an avid fan of SWAT since I first played it on Halo 2’s “Foundation” map, and the maps in Halo Reach have gotten quite bland after playing the same ones for a year and a half. I’ve found myself getting bored and switching over to Slayer just to get a taste of some different playing-fields. I would love to see some new maps show up in the voting options for this playlist.
More community-developed forge maps that support the SWAT play-style would be greatly appreciated. Maps similar to the “speedball” gametype in paintball would seem worthy of a trial in the SWAT playlist, I think.
> Honestly, in my own humble opinion, the only things that need changed about SWAT is the map selection and the server connections. Same with Snipers (Hemorrhage is getting REALLY old). SWAT and Snipers both need new maps. There are a couple of maps in the Slayer playlist that would be perfect for both playlists. Even a couple of the BTB maps would be good for both playlists.
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> I too am getting pretty sick of the same maps over and over again. The reason why they took out Pinnacle and Uncaged was because it was easier for one team to spawn trap the other team (which, I admit, I’m guilty of voting for them for just that reason), but why is Asylum still in SWAT? I can’t be the only one who’s noticed that Red team seems to have an easier time spawn trapping than blue team, can I?
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> SWAT is one of the largest playlists on Halo Reach population wise, and there are a ton of threads dedicated to how they need more maps and what-not, so why hasn’t it happened yet? If they can remove maps, then can’t they add them?
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> I don’t mind if Asylum stays in, or if they add Pinnacle and Uncaged back in the mix, but what I’d really like to see is two things.
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> 1. Add more maps from Slayer and BTB into SWAT and Snipers.
> 2. Don’t put forge-world maps on the top of the voting list.
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> The reason for number two is because if a map IS better for one team than the other, then putting it at the top (where it’s autopicked even if the other team votes against it) is kind of bull.
See, I think there’s already plenty of maps they could put in, on the top of my head I can think of:
A remake of Guardian from Halo 3
Eclipse (Lockout remake) that was featured in team classic
The Pit, which has already been perfectly remade in the MLG playlist
Prolonged (Longest/Elongation remake) also on the team classic playlist
I think those maps would be perfect for SWAT and I don’t see why they haven’t been thrown in yet. They’re already there, ready to go. Someone just needs to make it happen instead of sticking us with less and less maps. Some of which are terrible for SWAT and play really slowly, like Boardwalk (especially on magnums)
> > Honestly, in my own humble opinion, the only things that need changed about SWAT is the map selection and the server connections. Same with Snipers (Hemorrhage is getting REALLY old). SWAT and Snipers both need new maps. There are a couple of maps in the Slayer playlist that would be perfect for both playlists. Even a couple of the BTB maps would be good for both playlists.
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> > I too am getting pretty sick of the same maps over and over again. The reason why they took out Pinnacle and Uncaged was because it was easier for one team to spawn trap the other team (which, I admit, I’m guilty of voting for them for just that reason), but why is Asylum still in SWAT? I can’t be the only one who’s noticed that Red team seems to have an easier time spawn trapping than blue team, can I?
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> > SWAT is one of the largest playlists on Halo Reach population wise, and there are a ton of threads dedicated to how they need more maps and what-not, so why hasn’t it happened yet? If they can remove maps, then can’t they add them?
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> > I don’t mind if Asylum stays in, or if they add Pinnacle and Uncaged back in the mix, but what I’d really like to see is two things.
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> > 1. Add more maps from Slayer and BTB into SWAT and Snipers.
> > 2. Don’t put forge-world maps on the top of the voting list.
> >
> > The reason for number two is because if a map IS better for one team than the other, then putting it at the top (where it’s autopicked even if the other team votes against it) is kind of bull.
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> See, I think there’s already plenty of maps they could put in, on the top of my head I can think of:
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> 1. A remake of Guardian from Halo 3
> 2. Eclipse (Lockout remake) that was featured in team classic
> 3. The Pit, which has already been perfectly remade in the MLG playlist
> 4. Prolonged (Longest/Elongation remake) also on the team classic playlist
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> I think those maps would be perfect for SWAT and I don’t see why they haven’t been thrown in yet. They’re already there, ready to go. Someone just needs to make it happen instead of sticking us with less and less maps. Some of which are terrible for SWAT and play really slowly, like Boardwalk (especially on magnums)
I totally agree, and I play SWAT a lot. I’d like to see those maps added to the playlist. We really need more since there are only about 4 or 5 to choose from now.
Well that’s kinda the point of the post, to throw around ideas of what they can do to fix SWAT. Quite a few people seem to agree with my ideas, so that could be a nice place to start.
Be careful about complaining about Asylum and Countdown . The next thing we know they will remove them too. Countdown only came up one time today for me and I play SWAT almost exclusively . No one loves every map but you have a vote . We need more maps . I doubt that 343 is even listening to us or even cares. I was OK with not getting new maps because I thought that they were working on halo4 , understandable. The new maps added to slayer in the May update were a strong signal to the SWAT community of where 343’s priorties lay . Please 343 recognize that you have a group of people that Love this playlist and wish to see it continue to be fun and enjoyable . Why our maps were removed with no notice is a mystery to me . Who is a true SWAT player and would complain . It would help to know who your audience is and cater to the SWAT players who actually play the playlist . Replace our maps and or given us more to play . SWAT RULES .
> <mark>Be careful about complaining about Asylum and Countdown . The next thing we know they will remove them too.</mark> Countdown only came up one time today for me and I play SWAT almost exclusively . No one loves every map but you have a vote . We need more maps . I doubt that 343 is even listening to us or even cares. I was OK with not getting new maps because I thought that they were working on halo4 , understandable. The new maps added to slayer in the May update were a strong signal to the SWAT community of where 343’s priorties lay . Please 343 recognize that you have a group of people that Love this playlist and wish to see it continue to be fun and enjoyable . Why our maps were removed with no notice is a mystery to me . Who is a true SWAT player and would complain . It would help to know who your audience is and cater to the SWAT players who actually play the playlist . Replace our maps and or given us more to play . SWAT RULES .
Oh yeah, I wasn’t trying to complain about those maps, I was more complaining about them removing the other ones. Asylum and Countdown are the two maps I vote the most. But yeah, I was pretty pissed off when I read that Slayer got more maps, and they’ve just taken our maps away.
