I just want to see my map in multiplayer or just more popluar for slayer swat and objective fans also (though not gonna happen) fatkid hot pursuit and cops and robber in multiplayer for infection. Think of all the fun we can have with popular custom gametypes in multiplayer
> Remove Super Slayer bring back squad slayer with the TU, remove the TU from every other playlist. Put the full five AA loadouts in Arena, up the frequency that Heavies appears in the BTB voting and then go support your new release.
-Fine, we all like squad.
-What would be the point of removing it?
-NO! Arena is for balanced gameplay. Why would you bring overpowered AA’s into the equation.
-No, 85% percent of Heavy maps play awfully.
> > > > > > > I’m sorry, but if this will be the last update then forcing the TU into every playlist is just a bad idea. The people who like Reach will be forced to play a non-Reach while all the people who demanded that TU will have left the game they hate behind and move onto Halo 4. Why let the people who like Reach suffer even more when they’re most likely the only people who are still willing to play it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Implying all TU lovers will go play Halo 4 and abandon Reach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell me I’m wrong.
> > > >
> > > > You’re wrong, I know for one I’ll be playing Reach in the future when Halo 4 comes out, and I’d like to play it in its TU settings as well as its Vanilla settings.
> > >
> > > Why? Aren’t you one of the vocal Reach haters?
> >
> > Please feel free to pull more opinions out of that special place we all have.
> >
> > If I didn’t like Reach, I wouldn’t be playing it for as long as I had.
>
> Lots of people still played Reach even though they hated it. Saying it’s the only thing they can play (usually because the netcoding in Halo 3 has declined).
Can I make this any clearer to you?
I
Don’t
Hate
Reach
dlc maps required in core playlists, combine or remove LD and griffball, have main slayer playlists and objective playlists left with TU.
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry, but if this will be the last update then forcing the TU into every playlist is just a bad idea. The people who like Reach will be forced to play a non-Reach while all the people who demanded that TU will have left the game they hate behind and move onto Halo 4. Why let the people who like Reach suffer even more when they’re most likely the only people who are still willing to play it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Implying all TU lovers will go play Halo 4 and abandon Reach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me I’m wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > You’re wrong, I know for one I’ll be playing Reach in the future when Halo 4 comes out, and I’d like to play it in its TU settings as well as its Vanilla settings.
> > > >
> > > > Why? Aren’t you one of the vocal Reach haters?
> > >
> > > Please feel free to pull more opinions out of that special place we all have.
> > >
> > > If I didn’t like Reach, I wouldn’t be playing it for as long as I had.
> >
> > Lots of people still played Reach even though they hated it. Saying it’s the only thing they can play (usually because the netcoding in Halo 3 has declined).
>
> Can I make this any clearer to you?
>
> I
> Don’t
> Hate
> Reach
I already got that, I was speaking about other people and threads and responses on this forum.
and can you stop it with the condescending tone whenever you reply to me? You’re kinda like, the second person from the “competitive” side that I respect enough to not always ignore.
> > Remove Super Slayer bring back squad slayer with the TU, remove the TU from every other playlist. Put the full five AA loadouts in Arena, up the frequency that Heavies appears in the BTB voting and then go support your new release.
>
> -Fine, we all like squad.
> -What would be the point of removing it?
> -NO! Arena is for balanced gameplay. Why would you bring overpowered AA’s into the equation.
> -No, 85% percent of Heavy maps play awfully.
- I actually dont play, but I think it is far more popular then Super Slayer.
2.The Tu catered to a group of players that for the most part (90% maybe more) will be leaving because even with the TU they dont like Reach. When Halo 4 is released, Reach should be returned to its rightful owners, the fans.
3.This is Reach and the thing that separates it from every other Halo is AA, to not have them included in the only ranked playlist is a joke. You want balance, go play MLG, they need the population, badly and balance loving players are having a difficult time breaking a thousand players in Arena at peak times. When Halo 4 drops, finding a match in that playlist is going to be insanely hard because of the lack of population. Just wait, if nothing is changed, you will see exactly what Im talking about.
4.Strange because they are voted in an amazing amount of times and I would know because since their release, thats been what I play most of the time. Its honestly the only reason I play BTB, otherwise I would just stick to TS.
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry, but if this will be the last update then forcing the TU into every playlist is just a bad idea. The people who like Reach will be forced to play a non-Reach while all the people who demanded that TU will have left the game they hate behind and move onto Halo 4. Why let the people who like Reach suffer even more when they’re most likely the only people who are still willing to play it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Implying all TU lovers will go play Halo 4 and abandon Reach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me I’m wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > You’re wrong, I know for one I’ll be playing Reach in the future when Halo 4 comes out, and I’d like to play it in its TU settings as well as its Vanilla settings.
> > > >
> > > > Why? Aren’t you one of the vocal Reach haters?
> > >
> > > Please feel free to pull more opinions out of that special place we all have.
> > >
> > > If I didn’t like Reach, I wouldn’t be playing it for as long as I had.
> >
> > Lots of people still played Reach even though they hated it. Saying it’s the only thing they can play (usually because the netcoding in Halo 3 has declined).
>
> Can I make this any clearer to you?
>
> I
> Hate
> Reach
Fixed that for you! (does this bring you back to the days of Bnet?)
> > > > > > > > > I’m sorry, but if this will be the last update then forcing the TU into every playlist is just a bad idea. The people who like Reach will be forced to play a non-Reach while all the people who demanded that TU will have left the game they hate behind and move onto Halo 4. Why let the people who like Reach suffer even more when they’re most likely the only people who are still willing to play it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Implying all TU lovers will go play Halo 4 and abandon Reach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tell me I’m wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You’re wrong, I know for one I’ll be playing Reach in the future when Halo 4 comes out, and I’d like to play it in its TU settings as well as its Vanilla settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? Aren’t you one of the vocal Reach haters?
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to pull more opinions out of that special place we all have.
> > > >
> > > > If I didn’t like Reach, I wouldn’t be playing it for as long as I had.
> > >
> > > Lots of people still played Reach even though they hated it. Saying it’s the only thing they can play (usually because the netcoding in Halo 3 has declined).
> >
> > Can I make this any clearer to you?
> >
> > I
> > Hate
> > Reach
>
> I like pie!
Fixed that for you!
I want Invasion to be Noble (at least) DLC required, as I’m sick of playing on the same maps.
EDIT: A Race playlist would also be nice. But I read that Invasion can’t be DLC only for achievement reasons. So an Invasion Slayer playlist could be created so Invasion can become DLC only. Problem solved.
1 : Remove Super Slayer for the return of Squad Slayer (TU)
2 : Upgrade Team Slayer to 5 Vs 5 (No TU), have Max Party Size 5 for that
3 : Take out some of the ‘‘Arcade’’ gametypes in the Firefight playlist , too much randomness
4 : Upgrade every playlist but Invasion , Living Dead , Team Slayer , Team Snipers and the Co-op Playlist to TU
5 : For Squad DLC , upgrade every gametypes but Invasion to TU
6 : Give the Winning bonus of Team Objective to EVERY objective gametypes in
other playlists such as Big Team Battle and Squad DLC.
7 : Take out the Firefight gametypes that are not NEP , NEP is better
8 : Fix the jump height in Anniversary gametypes
9 : Remove every default Living Dead maps , keep the ‘‘spooky’’ versions
10 : Move the Living Dead playlist to Community , where it belongs
11 : Take out every Armor Abilities but Sprint from The Arena
12 : Replace Asylum for Xx Overkill VR’s Refuge
If the August update is really the final one , might as well make it BIG.
IMO Reach needs to retain the following playlist formats: FFA, Mulit-team (4x2), 4v4, 5v5, 6v6 and 8v8
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Make DLC a free download and req’d for all playlists.
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Team Slayer should be expanded to include SWAT and Snipers variants, as well as slayer variants from Action Sack. The three voting slots can then be devoted to: 1. Vanilla Team Slayer (AR starts), 2. DMR’s variants (TU / ZB / SWAT / Slayer Pro) 3. Action Sack Slayer, Elite Slayer, and Snipers.
- Remove SWAT, Snipers, and Super Slayer
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Add Slayer variants and Action Sack objective variants (excluding halo ball and hockey) to Team Objective and rename it ‘Squad Battle’. The voting slots can then be devoted to: 1. Objective Variant, 2. Slayer Variant, 3. Action Sack Objective.
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Add Hockey and Halo Ball to Griffball. Griffball could be renamed ‘Hammer Sack’. The three voting slots can then be devoted to: 1. Vanilla Griffball and Blargball 2. Griffball w/ AA’s 3. Hockey and Halo Ball.
- Remove Action Sack
- Modify Muti-team to feature 4 teams of 2.
- Remove Team Doubles
- Rumble Pit should be expanded to include LD and Anniversary variants.
- Remove Living Dead and Anniversary FFA
- Add voting options for 6v6 Team Slayer into Invasion.
- Remove Squad DLC
Edit:
- Add anniversary options to BTB.
-Remove Anniversary BTB.
Final Results w/ Voting Options:
Team Slayer (4v4)
- Vanilla TS
- TU DMR’s (20%), ZB DMR’s (20%), SWAT (35%), Pro (25%)
- Action Sack Slayer + Elite Slayer (65%), Snipers (35%)
Squad Battle (5v5)
- Objective
- Slayer to 75 (ala Squad Slayer w/o AL)
- Action Sack Objective
Hammer Sack (4v4)
- Vanilla Griffball (75%), Blargball (25%)
- Griffball w/ AA’s
- Hockey (40%), Halo Ball (20%), Halo Ball Xtreme (40%)
Rumble Pit (6x1)
- Vanilla Slayer (50%), Anniversary Slayer (50%)
- Vanilla Objective (50%), Anniversary Objective (50%)
- Vanilla LD (50%), Anniversay LD (50%)
Multi-Team (4x2)
- Voting options same as current
Big Team Battle (8v8)
- Voting options same as current. Edit: Anniversary options added.
Invasion (6v6)
- Voting options same as current, but with 6v6 slayer added w/ low weighting
Anniversary Classic
- Voting options same as current.
MLG
- Voting Options same as current
Arena
- Voting Options same as current
Removed: SWAT, Snipers, Super Slayer, Action Sack, Team Doubles, Living Dead, Squad DLC, Anniversary FFA, Anniversary BTB.
The following should be the playlists included when Reach becomes the secondary Halo game.
Team Slayer
Remove TU from all but Anniversary to streamline the playlists more.
Team SWAT
Team Snipers
Living Dead
Anniversary Classic
Anniversary BTB
Anniversary FFA
Make all the DLC map free or discounted so that they come up more, because the population of Squad DLC is already too low.
BTB
Invasion
Double Team
Team Objective
Grifball
MLG
Rumble Pit
Arena
REMOVE FRIENDLY FIRE! I have been betrayed far too many times for power weapons.
Why is everyone hating on the grifball? (one “f” btw, good god…)
sure, it may not be your favorite, but it is NOT suffering from population decline. In fact, it is one of the few in reach currently able to hold a number of players on a consistent basis, often more so than MLG.
Do not combine Action Sack and Grifball!!!
Grifball does need a change though, allowing the DLC switch, and the addition of community DLC maps, like my Ridgeline game. These could EASILY replace bad forge world maps with known framerate problems which attribute to the lag that people assume is always in grifball (not true).
Take TU off of everything and go back to Reach’s default settings. Apply the 5 standard AA’s to more of the gametypes they were stripped out of.
> 1. Peel back the TU from all playlists but the Anniversary one’s. Those who hate Reach will have moved on, but those who love it for what it is may stay behind.
> 2. Remove Super Slayer (This playlist can’t be saved at all)
> 3. Remove Squad DLC (Pop. too low)
> 4. Remove FF Doubles.
> 5. Combine SWAT and Snipers with Team Slayer.
> 6. Remove LD and combine Infection and Rumble Pit (It’ll be more balanced with only 5 humans instead of 9, if necessary, the initial count can drop to two). Keep all the maps, but Infection should not be on a base map.
> 7. Change Arena back to TS with all 5 loadouts but with DMR/Magnum starts (Competitive players will move on). Offer a Slayer Pro gametype to compensate (Add NR but with no grenades on either loadout). It’s not like we have much to lose as this playlist can’t really be any worse in terms of population.
> 8. Remove Slayer Pro from TS (It’s in Arena now).
> 9. Add Grifball gametypes to Action Sack. Remove Grifball.
> 10. Noble DLC on all playlists that don’t have on disk achievements. Require Defiant as well if it is made free with Noble. Hard press MS for this one. They will NOT make any more money from Reach DLC aftre Halo 4 drops.
> 11. Add Objective gametypes to Arena. Base Objective gametypes should represent Reach by using all 5 loadouts from TS (Drop Shield and Evade were OP, I’ll give them that). Retain Pro gametypes (Add NR but with no grenades on either loadout). DMR/Magnum starts aside from pro. All Objectives should be included.
> 12. Rank MLG with the Arena system.
> 13. Fix the classic settings to make them more accurate (Less movement, more jump). Increase damage to power up all weapons while tweaking the Pistol to stay a 3sk (Try for 6 body shots to kill as well). Remove Grenades off spawn. Objective holders should move at full speed and have radar.
> 14. Balance the spawns and weapon placement of Sword Base, Reflection, and Pinnacle so they are balanced with all AA’s and power weapons as well as with the Slayer Pro gametype (Removes Blue Sword on two of the maps).
> 15. Add new Objective maps to the Arena. IF AND ONLY IF they are balanced for Slayer, play slayer on those maps as well.
> 16. Only 1 grenade should be available off spawn in all gamtypes.
> 17. Increase Objective move speed to 100% in all Objective gametypes along with 10m of radar for Objective holders.
> 18. Fix softkill exploit spots on Asylum and reduce the number of pieces to prevent lag. Add Refuge to at least Arena.
> 19. Consider removing the Shotgun and Sword as loadouts in Invasion.
> 20. Move Hotshot and Power Slayer to Team Slayer. Move Speedpile and Speedflag to the Arena.
> 21. Configure Hotshot so that players move faster but have a slower shield recharge as they get to higher heats. Current version allows one team to dominate and the other team have no chance at coming back.
> 22. Change melee damage to 75% in all gametypes including Anniversary. Leave MLG to itself though.
> 23. Find a way to stop players from getting into the Score Zones in Haloball.
> 24. Allow community maps to be in any slot in both BTB and TS again, or at least for slot 2. TS weighting should be Slayer or Slayer DMRs (60-40 in favor of AR’s) slot 1, Slayer slot 2 (With a good weighting to Elite Slayer), and SWAT/Snipers for Slot 3 (55-45 in favor of Snipers).
> 25. Lessen the weighting of Heavies in BTB. Buff Objective.
> 26. Rumble Pit should have Objective only in Slot 3. Weaken the Juggernaut’s stats a little bit though.
> 27. Turn on radar in FFA Slayer Pro.
> 28. Add a DMR start gametype to Multi Team (Hard to get one due to the amount of people).
> 29. Remove Co-Op Campaign if possible. Consider removing Anniversary Firefight as well, as I believe it is just FF Arcade on one map.
> 30. Firefight changes: Re-weight the playlist Firefight to the following: Slot 1 Limited NEP, Slot 2 Arcade NEP, Slot 3 either Limited or Arcade (No NEP).
> Limited: Buff shield recharge, damage, and damage resistance to 110% in Firefight Limited gametypes.
>
> Arcade: Apply the increased shield recharge and damage resist to Arcadefight for consistancy. Reduce damage to 125% in Arcade gametypes but consider adding a skull that weakens enemy damage resist to 90% if it is too much of a change. We’re trying to nerf the explosive loadouts here. Replace the underused shotgun/ grenade launcher/AL loadout with a Spartan Laser/ Grenade Launcher/Evade. Replace the PL with an FRG in the Hologram Loadout and replace FRG with a PL in the Jetpack loadout.
> 31. Increase shield recharge rate to 110% in all gametypes including Anniversary (I know it’s not classic but the fast Pistol kill times don’t work with the slow shield recharge). Remove Health regeneration from Anniversary.
>
> This leaves us with 16 playlists (Including MM Campaign and 3 FF playlists). It will be 14 if CO-Op Campaign and Anniversary Firefight is removed. For comparison, Halo 3 currently has only 14 playlists.
Jeez, how long did it take you to type this?
> > 1. Peel back the TU from all playlists but the Anniversary one’s. Those who hate Reach will have moved on, but those who love it for what it is may stay behind.
> > 2. Remove Super Slayer (This playlist can’t be saved at all)
> > 3. Remove Squad DLC (Pop. too low)
> > 4. Remove FF Doubles.
> > 5. Combine SWAT and Snipers with Team Slayer.
> > 6. Remove LD and combine Infection and Rumble Pit (It’ll be more balanced with only 5 humans instead of 9, if necessary, the initial count can drop to two). Keep all the maps, but Infection should not be on a base map.
> > 7. Change Arena back to TS with all 5 loadouts but with DMR/Magnum starts (Competitive players will move on). Offer a Slayer Pro gametype to compensate (Add NR but with no grenades on either loadout). It’s not like we have much to lose as this playlist can’t really be any worse in terms of population.
> > 8. Remove Slayer Pro from TS (It’s in Arena now).
> > 9. Add Grifball gametypes to Action Sack. Remove Grifball.
> > 10. Noble DLC on all playlists that don’t have on disk achievements. Require Defiant as well if it is made free with Noble. Hard press MS for this one. They will NOT make any more money from Reach DLC aftre Halo 4 drops.
> > 11. Add Objective gametypes to Arena. Base Objective gametypes should represent Reach by using all 5 loadouts from TS (Drop Shield and Evade were OP, I’ll give them that). Retain Pro gametypes (Add NR but with no grenades on either loadout). DMR/Magnum starts aside from pro. All Objectives should be included.
> > 12. Rank MLG with the Arena system.
> > 13. Fix the classic settings to make them more accurate (Less movement, more jump). Increase damage to power up all weapons while tweaking the Pistol to stay a 3sk (Try for 6 body shots to kill as well). Remove Grenades off spawn. Objective holders should move at full speed and have radar.
> > 14. Balance the spawns and weapon placement of Sword Base, Reflection, and Pinnacle so they are balanced with all AA’s and power weapons as well as with the Slayer Pro gametype (Removes Blue Sword on two of the maps).
> > 15. Add new Objective maps to the Arena. IF AND ONLY IF they are balanced for Slayer, play slayer on those maps as well.
> > 16. Only 1 grenade should be available off spawn in all gamtypes.
> > 17. Increase Objective move speed to 100% in all Objective gametypes along with 10m of radar for Objective holders.
> > 18. Fix softkill exploit spots on Asylum and reduce the number of pieces to prevent lag. Add Refuge to at least Arena.
> > 19. Consider removing the Shotgun and Sword as loadouts in Invasion.
> > 20. Move Hotshot and Power Slayer to Team Slayer. Move Speedpile and Speedflag to the Arena.
> > 21. Configure Hotshot so that players move faster but have a slower shield recharge as they get to higher heats. Current version allows one team to dominate and the other team have no chance at coming back.
> > 22. Change melee damage to 75% in all gametypes including Anniversary. Leave MLG to itself though.
> > 23. Find a way to stop players from getting into the Score Zones in Haloball.
> > 24. Allow community maps to be in any slot in both BTB and TS again, or at least for slot 2. TS weighting should be Slayer or Slayer DMRs (60-40 in favor of AR’s) slot 1, Slayer slot 2 (With a good weighting to Elite Slayer), and SWAT/Snipers for Slot 3 (55-45 in favor of Snipers).
> > 25. Lessen the weighting of Heavies in BTB. Buff Objective.
> > 26. Rumble Pit should have Objective only in Slot 3. Weaken the Juggernaut’s stats a little bit though.
> > 27. Turn on radar in FFA Slayer Pro.
> > 28. Add a DMR start gametype to Multi Team (Hard to get one due to the amount of people).
> > 29. Remove Co-Op Campaign if possible. Consider removing Anniversary Firefight as well, as I believe it is just FF Arcade on one map.
> > 30. Firefight changes: Re-weight the playlist Firefight to the following: Slot 1 Limited NEP, Slot 2 Arcade NEP, Slot 3 either Limited or Arcade (No NEP).
> > Limited: Buff shield recharge, damage, and damage resistance to 110% in Firefight Limited gametypes.
> >
> > Arcade: Apply the increased shield recharge and damage resist to Arcadefight for consistancy. Reduce damage to 125% in Arcade gametypes but consider adding a skull that weakens enemy damage resist to 90% if it is too much of a change. We’re trying to nerf the explosive loadouts here. Replace the underused shotgun/ grenade launcher/AL loadout with a Spartan Laser/ Grenade Launcher/Evade. Replace the PL with an FRG in the Hologram Loadout and replace FRG with a PL in the Jetpack loadout.
> > 31. Increase shield recharge rate to 110% in all gametypes including Anniversary (I know it’s not classic but the fast Pistol kill times don’t work with the slow shield recharge). Remove Health regeneration from Anniversary.
> >
> > This leaves us with 16 playlists (Including MM Campaign and 3 FF playlists). It will be 14 if CO-Op Campaign and Anniversary Firefight is removed. For comparison, Halo 3 currently has only 14 playlists.
>
> Jeez, how long did it take you to type this?
A long time. Even longer to organize, update, and add to it (And keep under the character limit…)
My updated post is on page 1.
> Why is everyone hating on the grifball? (one “f” btw, good god…)
> sure, it may not be your favorite, but it is NOT suffering from population decline. In fact, it is one of the few in reach currently able to hold a number of players on a consistent basis, often more so than MLG.
>
> Do not combine Action Sack and Grifball!!!
>
> Grifball does need a change though, allowing the DLC switch, and the addition of community DLC maps, like my Ridgeline game. These could EASILY replace bad forge world maps with known framerate problems which attribute to the lag that people assume is always in grifball (not true).
It has kind of the same mood and feel as AS (Hence why they were combined in Halo 3 and was only a separate playlist when it was a Double XP weekend). MLG doesn’t share the same mood, feel, or settings as any other playlists. To be honest, the only reason I left it in my proposal was because I had a feeling 343 wouldn’t remove it. There is more evidence of GB’s removal since it was done in the past.
I’ll keep this short. Just wanted to post because I feel that matchmaking times are a bit too long as they are.
- Make Noble map pack free, make it required for all playlists.
- Bundle Defiant and Anniversary map packs together, sell for 640 points. Make all DLC required for a few playlists.
- Remove Super Slayer.
- Combine Invasion into Squad DLC (which will now require all DLC).
- Combine SWAT and Snipers into SWATTY Snipers.
Overall, that means 3 fewer playlists and better DLC distribution.
> Make a map in Forge based on one from Halo 4, if possible?
>
> Otherwise, bring Squad Slayer back and remove Armor lock from Team Slayer.
Why bring back a TS playlist for the AL haters and then remove it from the playlist AL haters won’t play?
> Why is everyone hating on the grifball? (one “f” btw, good god…)
> sure, it may not be your favorite, but it is NOT suffering from population decline. In fact, it is one of the few in reach currently able to hold a number of players on a consistent basis, often more so than MLG.
>
> Do not combine Action Sack and Grifball!!!
>
> Grifball does need a change though, allowing the DLC switch, and the addition of community DLC maps, like my Ridgeline game. These could EASILY replace bad forge world maps with known framerate problems which attribute to the lag that people assume is always in grifball (not true).
Would you be opposed to my suggestion of deconstructing Action Sack and putting the gametypes with Hammer starts as options in Grifball (renamed - Hammer Sack)?
Edit: Refer to #51