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> I’ve never understood why Bungie messed with canon like that. Was it out of spite for Microsoft? Regardless, 343i did a good job uniting everything together with all the outside lore and I’m really glad they did so.
I think they just considered the novels separate to the games. Like how they called Chief the last Spartan even after First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx proved he wasn’t.
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> Quick and dirty answer: Bungie made Halo Reach without much consideration for the Fall of Reach novel, and then 343 later retconned the lore to make the events of the game fit.
That’s not completely fair, is it?
I agree that Bungie disregarding Halo Lore that was roughly 10 years old at that point. A rather frustrating point.
But, the “Halsey’s Journal” included in the game, was a work of art - both in its presentation, and in the obvious respect it gives to the material its covering.
Someone at Bungie realized they were trashing established cannon, and worked with the OG himself Eric Nylund to try to tie up some (though not all, or even most) of those lose threads.
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> > I’ve never understood why Bungie messed with canon like that. Was it out of spite for Microsoft?
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> I doubt it. Halo may have technically been MS property but it was also their baby. Even if they were on their way out from the franchise, I don’t see Reach as some attempt to be vindictive. The game was too good for that; canonical issues aside, it was a polished game with alot of content. If they wanted to spite MS, they would have made it flop.
Yeah that’s true. It’s still one of my favorite games regardless of the canon inconsistencies. Prior to me knowing a lot about the lore, I took everything as presented in the game and absolutely loved every bit of it.
yes it does watch halo cannons video
Which is weird. I was always under the impression that Halo Reach was not cannon. Doesn’t make sense…The Reach attack was a surprise to the UNSC as in they weren’t expecting them. They came in and wiped the fleet. Unless I’m remembering it wrong.
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It shouldn’t be. It contradicts too much of Halo: Fall of Reach’s plot and, ultimately, Fall of Reach is a better story. (Both are excellent though)
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> > > I’ve never understood why Bungie messed with canon like that. Was it out of spite for Microsoft?
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> > I doubt it. Halo may have technically been MS property but it was also their baby. Even if they were on their way out from the franchise, I don’t see Reach as some attempt to be vindictive. The game was too good for that; canonical issues aside, it was a polished game with alot of content. If they wanted to spite MS, they would have made it flop.
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> Yeah that’s true. It’s still one of my favorite games regardless of the canon inconsistencies. Prior to me knowing a lot about the lore, I took everything as presented in the game and absolutely loved every bit of it.
I do think there was some friction regarding the Fall of Reach from Bungie. I’ve read they did not want the book made originally.
> In essence: Bungie wanted to ‘kill’ The Fall of Reach, Nylund’s tie-in novel for the game, but Trautmann made a deal that was, as Nylund put it, “a cross between UN diplomacy and the bargain Vito Corleone made to get Johnny Fontaine out of his original contract”, which made the demands from the higher-ups at Bungie to kill The Fall of Reach go away.
Source where I found the information. Take it with a grain of salt.
I consider it canon. As a side piece.
Halo Canon works similarly to how Star War Canon used to work before the Disney buyout.
Star Wars used to be that : Movies>TV Shows> Games> Books> Comics
So if a Star Wars movie contradicted canon in a TV show, the movie canon won, if TV show canon contradicted book canon, the TV show won
In Halo’s case it is Games> Shows>Books>Comics.
It is an almost identical case in Halo, no matter how old the lore is, (Fall of Reach vs Halo: Reach) the game’s lore always wins. This has changed somewhat overtime since the 343 takeover (again in a similar way to Star Wars) in that 343 is trying to give every piece of media the same narrative weight and have it be united and cohesive (though I believe the games still trump everything else)
The thing is noble team was spartan IIIs right so it shouldnt fit right in the reach timeline cuz I follow the book lore and got confused.
Unfortunately canon, the tense battle from the book is now just an event in a long drawn out travesty, why Bungie? WHHHHHHHHHHY?
their operation was secret and spartan 3s were not public ethier also spartan twos had nothing to do with them , i fully consider it cannon
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Bungie always said that games are held over the books in terms of canon, so yes, Reach is canon, whether people believe it is or not. I would suggest watching Halo Canon’s video trying to make a timeline for both the book and the game. He tries to fit them together as best he can, but yes, there are a lot of inconsistencies and retcons that exist now due to Halo: Reach. It is unfortunate that that Bungie didn’t try to make them work together, but this is what we got.
In short, yes it’s canon.
I consider the games more canon than the books.
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> Hi guys,
> Was just wondering how Halo: Reach would fit in with Canon since there is no mention of Noble Team in Halo, The Fall of Reach. I have not really read into this much so some clarity would be appreciated.
> Thank you!
There were so many things going on during the Fall of Reach. The simple answer is that the novel was focusing on different areas of the story while Noble team was in another area of the story. There were so many factors to what happened at Reach and so many different locations as well. That’s why there are so many stories in the halo universe. Simply because the whole story cant fit in one simple context.
Well the bottom line is, regardless of how anyone may privately feel in their headcanon, on an official level it is canon, period.
As several others have suggested, I’d try watching Halo Canon’s excellent video reconciling the timeline of events between the novel and the game.