Halo needs to evolve

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To be completely honest, I am completely shocked by what I see on these forums.
I don’t want to start a flame war, but most of what I have seen is bringing back Halo 2 & 3.

That is stupid.

First of all let me state my opinions of the games.

Halo CE: Great game, started me on the series, I loved playing it with my cousin, it had a great story and is some of my earliest gaming memories. It invented xbox and console fps.

Halo 2: My favourite shooter. I had fun from the start to the end of this game. It was loads of fun, having my buddies over and playing sword/shotgun on lockout? Favourite gamer memories. It started me on xbox live because it started online console gaming. Also Delta Halo was so much fun…

Halo 3: It was Halo 2 prettied up and tweaked. It had some interesting things, but nothing new and exciting, after a few years I lost interest in Halo 3. It had nothing new and exciting and the gameplay didn’t evolve enough.

Halo 3: ODST: Haters gonna hate. I liked the campaign it was a nice break from the Master Chief story while sticking to Halo. Best of all? No flood. Firefight was interesting, although I didn’t like how it was executed. I don’t count this as a stand alone game, so I thought it was good.

Halo Reach: I see a lot of people on the forum hate Reach. Not all, but a lot. Honestly I thought it was much better than Halo 3. No where near as good as 2 or CE, but it was fun, I still play it on and off. I’m not gonna get into specifics, but I think the armour abilities were good, I just wish there had been more to Reach than that.

Halo 4: I’m a little sketchy on someone new doing Halo, and the comments I have heard from forum-go-ers. And the dreaded title update… But I am exceptionally interested in how this game will turn out.
I want a NEW game. Yes, stick to Halo, but the game needs to evolve. If 343 wants to do well they need to look at what made Halo CE and 2 so great. NOT THE GAMEPLAY. But what the games meant. CE & 2 changed the gaming world, they brought something new and VERY interesting to the table. Halo 4 HAS to evolve. Or it won’t be good.

Please 343, do something new. Like old times.

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Evolve? Digivolve? Into Ultimate champions?

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> I want a NEW game. Yes, stick to Halo, but the game needs to evolve. If 343 wants to do well they need to look at what made Halo CE and 2 so great. NOT THE GAMEPLAY. But what the games meant. CE & 2 changed the gaming world, they brought something new and VERY interesting to the table. Halo 4 HAS to evolve. Or it won’t be good.
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> Please 343, do something new. Like old times.

Amen brother!

It must never be forgotten that Halo 1, 2, and/or 3 worked only in the context of their day. Imitating them, in any capacity, will not bring you the same success because the balanced, mechanics, and features will be brought to bear in a completely different social environment than they were first experience in. You need only look at CEA. What shook the world 10 years ago is now only fan service. Despite the time we’ve spent apart, despite the improvements made to the visuals to bring the whole game up to current standards, it’s still a bit underwhelming because we are all fundamentally different people than we were when it was the hottest -Yoink- in gaming. Our tastes, our standards have changed, hence why the old games now occupy our shelves and something else now resides in our disc trays.

So to rekindle the fires of the franchise, we need to strike it big according to what we are now and not what we were in better days. We need something new.

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What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.

If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.

Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off

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You completely misunderstood me. I want Halo obviously. But what made CE and 2 great was they brought something new to the gaming world.

CE didn’t have online,

Halo 2 invented online and I played a lot of it online. I only said my favourite memories of Halo 2 were with my buddies.

And I have Skyrim. Yeah, sure it’s my favourite game. But I love Halo. I want Halo. But Halo needs to evolve.

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> What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.
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> If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off

Is that so? Here, take a seat.
Read the chart below:

Halo CE=Start of the series

Halo 2=Introduction of real multiplayer

Halo 3=Equipment/Armor

Halo 2: ODST=VISR/Night vision

Halo: Reach=Armor abilities

Halo 4=???

See the pattern? Every game brings something new and genre-changing. Halo 4 will be drastically different, I can assure you that…but it will be innovation, not de-motivation, as stated by the 1-50 threads and bring back h2 threads…

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> > I want a NEW game. Yes, stick to Halo, but the game needs to evolve. If 343 wants to do well they need to look at what made Halo CE and 2 so great. NOT THE GAMEPLAY. But what the games meant. CE & 2 changed the gaming world, they brought something new and VERY interesting to the table. Halo 4 HAS to evolve. Or it won’t be good.
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> > Please 343, do something new. Like old times.
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> Amen brother!
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> It must never be forgotten that Halo 1, 2, and/or 3 worked only in the context of their day. Imitating them, in any capacity, will not bring you the same success because the balanced, mechanics, and features will be brought to bear in a completely different social environment than they were first experience in. You need only look at CEA. What shook the world 10 years ago is now only fan service. Despite the time we’ve spent apart, despite the improvements made to the visuals to bring the whole game up to current standards, it’s still a bit underwhelming because we are all fundamentally different people than we were when it was the hottest Yoink! in gaming. Our tastes, our standards have changed, hence why the old games now occupy our shelves and something else now resides in our disc trays.
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> So to rekindle the fires of the franchise, we need to strike it big according to what we are now and not what we were in better days. We need something new.

You really have no idea about what you are talking about. CEA was underwhelming cuz it was half a game. People loved CE for the MULTIPLAYER yea campaign was great but we have played that for ten years. CE mm has never been played online outside of XBC or gamespy both of which you never played so how can you even call it “underwhelming” a few splits screen matches and a run through campagn tells nothing.

People buy sequels wanting more of the same cod proves this. Halo " evolved" with reach and couldn’t even stay behind a 2 yr older game with 2 sequels out which it’s predecessor stayed right behind.

If it is t broke don’t fix it. If you want change go buy a new game. I and many other want to play Halo. Not shadowrun with halo themes. Or whatever other pos flavor of the week game they want to riP off

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> > > I want a NEW game. Yes, stick to Halo, but the game needs to evolve. If 343 wants to do well they need to look at what made Halo CE and 2 so great. NOT THE GAMEPLAY. But what the games meant. CE & 2 changed the gaming world, they brought something new and VERY interesting to the table. Halo 4 HAS to evolve. Or it won’t be good.
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> > > Please 343, do something new. Like old times.
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> > Amen brother!
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> > It must never be forgotten that Halo 1, 2, and/or 3 worked only in the context of their day. Imitating them, in any capacity, will not bring you the same success because the balanced, mechanics, and features will be brought to bear in a completely different social environment than they were first experience in. You need only look at CEA. What shook the world 10 years ago is now only fan service. Despite the time we’ve spent apart, despite the improvements made to the visuals to bring the whole game up to current standards, it’s still a bit underwhelming because we are all fundamentally different people than we were when it was the hottest Yoink! in gaming. Our tastes, our standards have changed, hence why the old games now occupy our shelves and something else now resides in our disc trays.
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> > So to rekindle the fires of the franchise, we need to strike it big according to what we are now and not what we were in better days. We need something new.
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> You really have no idea about what you are talking about. CEA was underwhelming cuz it was half a game. People loved CE for the MULTIPLAYER yea campaign was great but we have played that for ten years. CE mm has never been played online outside of XBC or gamespy both of which you never played so how can you even call it “underwhelming” a few splits screen matches and a run through campagn tells nothing.
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> People buy sequels wanting more of the same cod proves this. Halo " evolved" with reach and couldn’t even stay behind a 2 yr older game with 2 sequels out which it’s predecessor stayed right behind.
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> If it is t broke don’t fix it. If you want change go buy a new game. I and many other want to play Halo. Not shadowrun with halo themes. Or whatever other pos flavor of the week game they want to riP off

If you want the same thing play Halo 3 please. I personally want to see the innovation that Halo CE & 2 had.

I believe we all know what we are talking about, we have all played Halo and have our opinions and experiences of it.

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> If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.

And end up like Quake, Unreal, Doom, Duke Nukem, Jedi Knights, or any other FPS that couldn’t innovate? Whose side are you on here? You may be a fan of old mechanics but you can’t support continued games on the same old -Yoink-. Even Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have to reinvent themselves with new mechanics every once in a while, Gears of War is done as a series after just 3 runs on the same formula (we’re at 6), and Skyrim has been considerably renovated from it’s perfectly serviceable predecessor because bethesda saw the value in improvements to the core as well as to the presentation all throughout TES’s long and successful life.

You can’t expect less change from Halo and expect it to go on for much longer.

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Halo 4: Combat Re-evolved…?

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> What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.
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> If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off

lolno.

Halo CE didnt have mm, only on the PC version did. And it is considered the best halo game.

Also, if you want the same copy of a game, go play it not Halo 4. If it doesnt evolve it is doomed.

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> You completely misunderstood me. I want Halo obviously. But what made CE and 2 great was they brought something new to the gaming world.
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> CE didn’t have online,
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> Halo 2 invented online and I played a lot of it online. I only said my favourite memories of Halo 2 were with my buddies.
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> And I have Skyrim. Yeah, sure it’s my favourite game. But I love Halo. I want Halo. But Halo needs to evolve.

CE had online and it was amazing. Xbc and gamespy showed how amazing CE gameplay was. Sorry you missed out.

Then by all means go play skyrim or w.e other game that’s popular that will be dead in a few months. Halo was a success since it hit the golden formula of gameplay from day one just like how Cod 4 mw1 found it’s golden formula and hasn’t changed much and is now #1,2,&3 in popularity

Great game do need fundamentals changing every 3 years COD has proved it. I mean he’ll you don’t see the rules of basketball changing every few years or chess changing.

That’s cuz u don’t change whAt works. You don’t fix what isn’t broken. Reach did that and took halo from #1 to # 7 . learn from history bro.

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> > What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.
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> > If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> > Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off
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> lolno.
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> Halo CE didnt have mm, only on the PC version did. And it is considered the best halo game.
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> Also, if you want the same copy of a game, go play it not Halo 4. If it doesnt evolve it is doomed.

Don’t worry. Combat. Has. Evolved.

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> What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.
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> If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off

No, if they rehash the same gameplay with new graphics then they’re no better than EA or Activision. If they released Halo 4 with the same gameplay as Halo CE it’s either going to flop like Duke Nukem Forever or it’s going to be mediocre like Serious Sam 3. Playing older games like Halo CE and Halo 2 are good when you want to feel a sense of nostalgia, but to release a game with copy-pasted gameplay from a 10-year old game with current gen graphics tacked on and call it a full-blown sequel would be a terrible idea.

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> > If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> And end up like Quake, Unreal, Doom, Duke Nukem, Jedi Knights, or any other FPS that couldn’t innovate? Whose side are you on here? You may be a fan of old mechanics but you can’t support continued games on the same old Yoink!. Even Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have to reinvent themselves with new mechanics every once in a while, Gears of War is done as a series after just 3 runs on the same formula (we’re at 6), and Skyrim has been considerably renovated from it’s perfectly serviceable predecessor because bethesda saw the value in improvements to the core as well as to the presentation all throughout TES’s long and successful life.
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> You can’t expect less change from Halo and expect it to go on for much longer.

Umm halo was #1 for 10 years using pretty much the same stuff, duel wielding and equipment are ok changes since they didn’t change the fundamentals.

Reach literally changed EVERYTHING ABOUT HALO it made halo “evolve” by changing shooting, melees, sheilds, vehicles, nades, and the biggest game changer aas and look where it took halo from # 1-2 to#7 meaning people didn’t like it’s “evolution”

Halo needs to be itself not some shadowrunn or Cod clone

OH AND LOL AT THE PEOPLE SAYING CONSOLE CE DIDN’T HAVE Online play. SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT HALO. ZERO

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> You really have no idea about what you are talking about. CEA was underwhelming cuz it was half a game. People loved CE for the MULTIPLAYER yea campaign was great but we have played that for ten years. CE mm has never been played online outside of XBC or gamespy both of <mark>which you never played</mark> so how can you even call it “underwhelming” a few splits screen matches and a run through campagn tells nothing.

I did (via gamespy. It was meh because it lacked the “couch experience” that made Lan on the xbox enjoyable. Hence why the full Halo CE multiplayer extrava-bleh-sga didn’t show up on CEA. Without the all important context of 2001 console gaming culture, on which Halo 1’s popularity was based needless to say, there really wasn’t much to it besides older, better, memories.)

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> > > If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> > And end up like Quake, Unreal, Doom, Duke Nukem, Jedi Knights, or any other FPS that couldn’t innovate? Whose side are you on here? You may be a fan of old mechanics but you can’t support continued games on the same old Yoink!. Even Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have to reinvent themselves with new mechanics every once in a while, Gears of War is done as a series after just 3 runs on the same formula (we’re at 6), and Skyrim has been considerably renovated from it’s perfectly serviceable predecessor because bethesda saw the value in improvements to the core as well as to the presentation all throughout TES’s long and successful life.
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> > You can’t expect less change from Halo and expect it to go on for much longer.
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> Umm halo was #1 for 10 years using pretty much the same stuff, duel wielding and equipment are ok changes since they didn’t change the fundamentals.
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> Reach literally changed EVERYTHING ABOUT HALO it made halo “evolve” by changing shooting, melees, sheilds, vehicles, nades, and the biggest game changer aas and look where it took halo from # 1-2 to#7 meaning people didn’t like it’s “evolution”
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> Halo needs to be itself not some shadowrunn or Cod clone
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> OH AND LOL AT THE PEOPLE SAYING CONSOLE CE DIDN’T HAVE Online play. SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT HALO. ZERO

Halo has changed. The biggest and most successful jump was between CE and 2. When most change occured. At least that is how I see it.

Halo went down with Reach because it didn’t change ENOUGH. It was still the same -Yoink-. Just with armour abilities (which I quite liked). 10 years and it’s finally falling.

It’s sad to see something I hold so high, fall.

My point was I want Halo 4 to come back up. Go the the level of innovation Halo 2 and CE had and popularity Halo 3 and Reach had.

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Nobody asked my opinion, but I’m gonna go ahead and give it anyway! ^.^

I hear what the OP is saying. As much as I believe Halo needs to come back home, to How halo used to be played. Doesn’t mean, although I want the same feel and experience that I want the exact same content.

I don’t believe that what we need is “Innovation”. (Man this word gets thrown about these days.) Halo 4 is probably going to bring in new enemies, so I think it would be a good idea to leave the covanent weapons behind, and go full scale Forerunner weapons. (if applicable.) I think with the introduction to new weapons, new vehicles, new power-ups, maybe throw in a couple new game modes for good measure, but the Halo that we all used to know and love, that would be enough to make the game feel fresh, while keeping it awesome.

OP, Reach tried to be innovative. Bungie tried. Look where that got Reach. We all know where it got Reach. There’s SO many games out that are amazing innovative games, but trying to make a game to try and cater to everyone, ends up alienating the dedicated players, and gives an easily forgettable, bland experience.

I truly think Halo 4 just needs to stay true to what Halo used to be about. Once 343 have secured support back into the Halo franchise, then they can Innovate for Halo 5.

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> Nobody asked my opinion, but I’m gonna go ahead and give it anyway! ^.^
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> I hear what the OP is saying. As much as I believe Halo needs to come back home, to How halo used to be played. Doesn’t mean, although I want the same feel and experience that I want the exact same content.
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> I don’t believe that what we need is “Innovation”. (Man this word gets thrown about these days.) Halo 4 is probably going to bring in new enemies, so I think it would be a good idea to leave the covanent weapons behind, and go full scale Forerunner weapons. (if applicable.) I think with the introduction to new weapons, new vehicles, new power-ups, maybe throw in a couple new game modes for good measure, but the Halo that we all used to know and love, that would be enough to make the game feel fresh, while keeping it awesome.
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> OP, Reach tried to be innovative. Bungie tried. Look where that got Reach. We all know where it got Reach. There’s SO many games out that are amazing innovative games, but trying to make a game to try and cater to everyone, ends up alienating the dedicated players, and gives an easily forgettable, bland experience.
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> I truly think Halo 4 just needs to stay true to what Halo used to be about. Once 343 have secured support back into the Halo franchise, then they can Innovate for Halo 5.

I’m sorry to hear you don’t think we need innovation.

I want something that will change the gaming world like CE (with console fps), and 2 (with online) did.

The armour abilities and equipment are not innovative. They may be interesting, and new mechanics. But mechanics aren’t innovative. Ideas are.

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> > What made CE n H2 great was the MM gameplay. If you never played CE online and only played h2 with your buddies you never played real halo.
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> > If you want a new game then go buy gears, skyrim or whatever other game. People buy a sequAl expecting more of the same with some cool new stuff, not to make everything completely different and sell untested gameplay under the good name and reputation of the past games.
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> > Halo needs to be like CE or atleast H2. If you wan something different then go Play a different game. You will be back once the gimicks wear off
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> No, if they rehash the same gameplay with new graphics then they’re no better than EA or Activision. If they released Halo 4 with the same gameplay as Halo CE it’s either going to flop like Duke Nukem Forever or it’s going to be mediocre like Serious Sam 3. Playing older games like Halo CE and Halo 2 are good when you want to feel a sense of nostalgia, but to release a game with copy-pasted gameplay from a 10-year old game with current gen graphics tacked on and call it a full-blown sequel would be a terrible idea.

No one who has advocated taking CEs example for h4 is saying copy and paste. But the basics from the game don’t need to be changed. Melee, current weapons, lack of movement and aim acceleration, nades moving weapons the basics don’t need to change.

By all means add thing like forge theater ff , he’ll even aas for their ownplaylist, add new maps new weapons new UI, the armory, or GL

Things like that are what need to be added. Basics like how we move, bleedthrough , and how we shoot don’t need change since they worked so well to begin with to the point that literally NO ONE EVER EVER CLAMORED FOR THEIR CHANGE. Do you remember on b net people wishing their shots wouldn’t go where they want or to have 3 bullets and a melle = 1 mellee ?

Nope!!!