Halo Books and Comics are much more violent than Games and they don’t feel connected at all.In Comics and Books there are decapitations with energy swords,much more blood and more severe injuries done with specific weapons.We don’t see anything like that happening in Halo Games and it just feels different.It should be the same across all Media.
Yeah! Tone down the violence in the books, bring them in line with the games. Great idea. Definitely should push for this.
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> Halo Books and Comics are much more violent than Games and they don’t feel connected at all.In Comics and Books there are decapitations with energy swords,much more blood and more severe injuries done with specific weapons.We don’t see anything like that happening in Halo Games and it just feels different.It should be the same across all Media.
I mean, what did you expect with Halo 5: Guardians being rated T for Teen? The assassinations are pretty brutal. Anything more brutal than that, in the games, and you’d be bordering along the lines of the brutality that Gears of War instills. Chainsawing opponents in half, curb stomping heads, straddling a downed opponent and punching their head until it explodes, that kind of stuff just hasn’t gone hand in hand with Halo. While it’s a really cool idea, it would seem out of place in game. That’s my opinion at least.
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> Yeah! Tone down the violence in the books, bring them in line with the games. Great idea. Definitely should push for this.
Can’t tell if you’re being sincere or sarcastic.
Totally agree, I was absolutely disappointed after all the blood and gore I imagined while reading The Return of the King didn’t translate on-screen in the movie! I thought I found a way around my parent’s censorship as a fifth grader, but alas - it was not to be.
On a more serious note, I think you just need to take into consideration print media vs visual media, and how it comes across differently on each. That should answer your own question.
I agree it needs to be more violent to be more in line with the other media. Personally, I would love if it was. I was disappointed to see what they did with the CE remaster, especially on the Flood levels. They literally made the game not only less bloody, but less scary too.
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> Halo Books and Comics are much more violent than Games and they don’t feel connected at all.In Comics and Books there are decapitations with energy swords,much more blood and more severe injuries done with specific weapons.We don’t see anything like that happening in Halo Games and it just feels different.It should be the same across all Media.
Maybe not in regards to the current games, but do remember that in Halo: Combat Evolved through Halo 3, you could shoot Covenant and Marines and Flood and get loads of blood splashing everywhere, especially in Combat Evolved. In fact, you could paint an entire room with blood in Combat Evolved if you had enough bodies laid out in the right places and just kept shooting and meleeing them.
I don’t think Halo really needs anymore violence above the Halo 3/4 level. I love games with extreme violence like World at War, but as for Halo I’ll take the neon blood and mild curses any day, no need for decapitations.
Really…this is just another topic to push the “Halo needs more violence/gore” idea? If this is the reasoning, I guess a lot of things about the games need to change. We need more politics! We need more talk and less combat! But when we do have combat in 2 out of the 10 missions in the game it needs to be hardcore! We need -Yoink!- because one book had it! We should never play as Chief because he’s only in like 4 books! We need to spend more time traveling through slipspace!
Different forms of media allow for different representations of things. Always have, always will. Books (and often comics) are often allowed to be more gory, vulgar, or sensual than film or games because they aren’t policed as heavily. They aren’t rated other than being placed in the “Adult” “Teen” or “Children” section of Barnes & Noble. Many things that people look down on in games or film they don’t care nearly as much about in books. It’s a fact of life.
If you want more gore, create a topic saying you want more gore and say why, or post in one of the many topics that have already been created for the subject. But this is a pretty ridiculous way to say that.
My opinion on the actual subject you are trying to discuss with Halo needing more gore: Halo doesn’t need more gore. It doesn’t need more cursing. Those do not enhance a game like Halo. Halo has never been about that. No Halo has had much gore or cursing. CE had its comical level of blood, but that’s been about it. Every Halo has gone down in blood from the previous game. The reason Halo has so much other media is because it is about the story. Its about the universe. In my opinion Halo needs to be darker and heavier. It needs to be grittier. Halo Reach had the grittiest art style of any Halo and barely had more gore that 5. I don’t necessarily think they shouldn’t put more gore into the games, but they don’t need to in order to make a better game than any game in the series. They need a better story, better writing, arguably a less cartoony art-style. They don’t need more gore and cursing because Halo has never been about that, it’s never been Gears of War or Call of Duty. There’s never been more than some blood splatter (and flood body parts), the series has never had a character use f*** (I’m not even sure any has used sh**). They don’t need it because that’s not Halo. Better story makes Halo.
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> My opinion on the actual subject you are trying to discuss with Halo needing more gore: Halo doesn’t need more gore. It doesn’t need more cursing. Those do not enhance a game like Halo. Halo has never been about that. No Halo has had much gore or cursing. CE had its comical level of blood, but that’s been about it. Every Halo has gone down in blood from the previous game. The reason Halo has so much other media is because it is about the story. Its about the universe. In my opinion Halo needs to be darker and heavier. It needs to be grittier. Halo Reach had the grittiest art style of any Halo and barely had more gore that 5. I don’t necessarily think they shouldn’t put more gore into the games, but they don’t need to in order to make a better game than any game in the series. They need a better story, better writing, arguably a less cartoony art-style. They don’t need more gore and cursing because Halo has never been about that, it’s never been Gears of War or Call of Duty. There’s never been more than some blood splatter (and flood body parts), the series has never had a character use f*** (I’m not even sure any has used sh**). They don’t need it because that’s not Halo. Better story makes Halo.
I dont think it should be like Gears with heads exploding and stuff but i think that it needs to be darker and heavier like you said.I liked Halo Reach style the best,it didn’t have unnecessary jokes and over the top cartoony style of Halo 5.I feel that Halo nowadays wants to be for everyone and therefore it has lost it’s identity of what it was under Bungie.It is all over the place across the media with too many different styles.Just compare the new comic Halo Collateral Damage with some older one like Halo Blood Line or Helljumper.Then we also have Halo Legends anime that is also more dark than new games and movies that are somewhere in the middle.
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Halo has always had unnecessary jokes, I mean… Sergeant Johnson. It has never taken itself too seriously, except for Reach kinda. The various media has always been all over the place as well. I mean you point at Halo Legends, there are a couple ones in there (other than the obvious non-canon one) that aren’t as serious. BTW, Legends was entirely overseen by 343, not Bungie, it was actually 343’s very first piece of Halo media released. It’s not a 343 vs Bungie thing. Bungie was progressively moving towards less and less gore as well with Halo. While Reach was very dark and gritty, it is impossible to know if another Halo game by Bungie would’ve been. Halo 5 is really the main example of being toned down but its really only the art style. While it’s story wasn’t as well developed, the art style was cartoony, and the dialogue awkward at times, the base story was pretty dark. There are also plenty of current comics that are dark as well, Collateral Damage is more the exception rather than the rule. The newer novels also have more cursing in them than the old ones. Novels under 343 have often have sh** and occasionally f*** in their dialogue, which no novels in the Bungie era did, they have plenty of gory scenes too. 343 is more than willing to have gritty and dark content, they’ve just made missteps in executing that in-game, particularly Halo 5
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> My opinion on the actual subject you are trying to discuss with Halo needing more gore: Halo doesn’t need more gore. It doesn’t need more cursing. Those do not enhance a game like Halo. Halo has never been about that. No Halo has had much gore or cursing. CE had its comical level of blood, but that’s been about it. Every Halo has gone down in blood from the previous game. The reason Halo has so much other media is because it is about the story. Its about the universe. In my opinion Halo needs to be darker and heavier. It needs to be grittier. Halo Reach had the grittiest art style of any Halo and barely had more gore that 5. I don’t necessarily think they shouldn’t put more gore into the games, but they don’t need to in order to make a better game than any game in the series. They need a better story, better writing, arguably a less cartoony art-style. They don’t need more gore and cursing because Halo has never been about that, it’s never been Gears of War or Call of Duty. There’s never been more than some blood splatter (and flood body parts), the series has never had a character use f*** (I’m not even sure any has used sh**). They don’t need it because that’s not Halo. Better story makes Halo.
Reach barely had more gore than 5? I think you should play Reach for a few hours and come back.
Extreme violence has a tendency to take away from the story when told in a visual medium (not always, but for me it seems to be a consistent problem). I actually quite enjoy the fact that the extended lore is more gritty at times compared to the games. I mean, H5 was a lot more cartoon-y than I would have liked, but the extended lore addresses a lot of really serious issues that aren’t in the games.
For example, in Broken Circle, there’s a scene where a Sangheili is literally flattened like a tube of toothpaste while his father begs to be taken instead. I cringed as I read it, but if I were to watch that in a cut scene, I would have been more focused on the literal act of torture than the meaning and significance behind it, as well as the impact it had on the other characters in the room.I get what you are saying about consistency, but visual media has to balance what you are seeing with the meaning behind it. Written media has a bit more room to operate. You can set the scene, show the scene from multiple points of view, and let the reader analyze the words to find the significance. Extreme violence can add to that experience when written down, but can be a distraction when done in a visual format.
I feel like part of the reason is in books you have to be more graphic to get your point across and paint an image in people’s minds. In game, you can have a small blood splatter and people will be like “yeah that’s a blood splatter” whereas in books if it was described “some blood spurt out of the body” it would paint a very mild image and not get much of the effect across. Tl;dr what I’m trying to say is the books need to be more violent to get the image across and the games don’t. In my opinion at least.
Now as for my opinion on gore in the games. It definitely shouldn’t go above CE levels. Other than that I really don’t care how much there is. I’m usually too busy trying to not die to notice the blood anyway.
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Don’t need to. I put a really good amount of playtime into that game. It has a little blood splatter and that’s about it. Please give screenshots and video if that is not the case, of a realistic game scenario not one where it’s just maximizing the amount of blood. No one loses a head. No one loses an arm. There’s hardly any blood even when Kat gets shot in the head. There’s barely any gore in any Halo games (past Halo CE’s comical amounts), Reach included.
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There’s a dude hanging off hooks impaled in reach
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Ok, that’s what I thought. That’s one example., but through a majority of the game, there’s not much gore like that. I said it had hardly more gore than 5, it definitely does have more gore, but not much. Not in realistic game scenarios that is, if you do the whole “killball+invincibility” thing, sure there’s a lot more, but not in normal scenarios. It isn’t an “apples to oranges” comparison, it’s an “apples to slightly bruised apples” comparison.
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Where is the gore in halo 5 though?
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Excuse me, every joke in Halo 5 was completely necessary.